I own a couple of guns. Used to hunt more than I do now. We had moved to Florida in the mid 80's because of a job. We decided that we were going to move back to Iowa so my wife came back before school started to enroll the kids. Before I was able to move back her sister stayed with her because she had a big fight with her husband. That same night her husband came by and broke into my wifes apartment. They were in the back and he was in the living room. He had a gun and they had a gun in the back bedrooms. He promised his wife he would put away the gun if she would just talk to him outside. She agreed and when they were outside he drug her down the alley. When the police pulled up about this time he shot her 3-4 times. She was killed, he was convicted of 2nd degree murder and served 17 years. Police station was 3 blocks from apartment in a town of 4,000+. Response time was 5-10 minutes after a call was made by the neighbors. A phone was not installed at the time. My wife always thought she could use a gun to protect herself or others but found out she couldn't pull the trigger when the time came. I keep a gun for self defense and because of the situation with her sister, would not hesitate to pull the trigger. I believe it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. If you keep a gun for self defense sit down and look inside yourself. Decide if you could protect yourself or would it make the situation worse. Practice with it if you do have one. R.I.P Dixie 
But just because people die from other things, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to limit the number of deaths. It's quite simple, statistically speaking, the more guns you have, the more gun violence that will occur. Either it will be somebody who shoots their partner after finding they cheated, or going into their workplace and opening fire, or putting a gun to their head and killing themselves, or the 6 year old that picks it up and accidentally shoots his friend. The more guns you have out there, the more violence.
Yes, cars and knives kills people... but can we function in society without cars and knives? Guns we can put away, and function just fine. Look at countries like Australia and UK that pretty much banned personal gun ownership completely. They're doing just fine... and if there's a country that should be worried about a king coming back into power and taking away their rights, it would be the UK!
Good point. I don't much agree with guns, though my Grandma just bought a gun a fw months ago and got herself the license and whatnot. My brother thinks it's very cool, but I dont care for it. Its scary for me.
Please don't talk about gun violence, or any other type of violence, in the UK. You are not fit to comment. England may be fine, but Northern Ireland is a hell-hole.
I just shot my gun at a group of children playing outside my apt.
They won't be playing around here no more!
They won't be playing around here no more!
BS oin the potential victims thing.
I dont think guns should be banned, I just dont agree with having one in my home. If someone feels like they want to own a gun, so be it, but they should definitely not be banned, because that will make it harder for them to protect themselves when the thugs and robbers come out and start wielding more guns, knowing most home owners WON'T have one. I mean, think about that for a minute.
Like I said, I would never own a gun myself, but banning them is really kinda stupid. This is america, is it not?
I can't say much about this. I dont know about you all, but I dont have any need besides carrying a small dagger to protect myself from any of these three people. If you want to know self defense and don't want to have to wield such a silly weapon, you need to spend some time and learn it.
And all of you talking about 'females' and whatnot, how many of you actually ARE females? I'd wager that every single person whoi's mentioned females against a big bad thug are male.
Have you actually been in a situation where you've had to defend your life with a "small dagger," from someone equally, or better, equipped than you?
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Then that's practically useless for protection. If somebody was to home invade your house, would you have time to unlock your vault and load your gun before you were surrounded? More than likely they would sneak into the house, or knock on the door and rush in while you first answered it. You said in another post guns are the great equalizer, they are, IF you can get to it in time. A granny with a gun in her purse, won't have time to use it if somebody comes up to them... a woman won't have time to grab her gun if somebody wanted to rape her, since most jump women from behind then force their way onto them.
Or it could be because of the constant Catholic/Protestant sectarian violence. Most damage due to home-made bombs or blades. Some due to guns, yes, but most are not.
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Sorry you feel that way, it's actually worked well for me 2X. It only takes a moment or 2 & I have a spring loaded door pop open & a locked & loaded handgun... I'm thinking of getting a couple for my cars.
So I should keep a loaded gun laying around with children in my home?
Your logic sucks, you're obviously anti gun, my safety measures according to you preculde my use of a gun as a defense weapon, so nobody wins but you...
OK...
Scenerio A: Guns are LEGAL. Criminals (people that break the law) and average Citizens (people that abide by the law) have guns.
Scenerio B: Guns are ILLEGAL. Criminals still have guns (they break the law). Average Citizens don't (they abide by the law).
Result: Outlawing guns only removes guns from law-abiding citizens and promotes an environmnet that is conducive to criminal activity by placing more power in the hands of the criminals.
Scenerio B: Guns are ILLEGAL. Criminals still have guns (they break the law). Average Citizens don't (they abide by the law).
Result: Outlawing guns only removes guns from law-abiding citizens and promotes an environmnet that is conducive to criminal activity by placing more power in the hands of the criminals.
The guns aren't responsible for the amount of violence. One way, or another, violence will happen due to certain mindsets.
You are so wrong. I'm not anti gun at all. I'm just being realistic here. The gun is useless if it's locked up or in a bag... tell me your story of how you've used it twice. And how having a gun in your car will help you? If somebody comes to the driver side while you're at a red light and points a gun at your face and tells you to get out, how the hell are you going to get the gun? Even if it's under your seat, let alone locked up... and how locked up is it really if it only takes a moment or two to get to it?
No doubt, but the guns increases the violence. Besides, that's practically a war scenario, so i have no idea how you got Northern Ireland into this discussion. This is about gun safety, and fact is, England and any other nation in the industrialized world which prohibit guns has a much lower violent rate than the US does.
Hardcore,
The problem with your argumentation is that you're providing a specific hypothetical example that you made up and applying it to a general topic. (and although your example could be true) it's 1 example out of infinite other possibilities. If you want to show that guns are useless or some other argument, you have to provide a universal reason that applies to any hypothetical example instead of vice-versa.
Is it that hard to extrapolate for youself what the general question is? How do you get to a gun that is lockedup for protection if you're the victim of a crime? I'm just providing examples that he's brought up for the uses of guns. He said the gun was a great equalizer, and i told him why it's not; because the gun is useless to you if you can't get to it.
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Did you even bother to click on the link?
Gunvault
The thing even alerts me if someone else attempts to open it
You lay your hand on the pad, make 3-5 presses with the tips of your fingers & the gun is unlocked & another split second from your hand.
Of course, if I need to get to it, I could be struck by a metorite, rendering the whole plan useless.
& yes, in the situations you're giving, guns are of little use. However, to claim limited scenarios are appropriate to to prove your general point is not logical. However, gun ownership & electing to use one for self defense also suggests one should be aware of your surroundings & put yourself in the best possible position to protect yourself.
I work in a pretty rough part of town & make an effort to not stop directly next to vehicles @ a stoplight/stop sign, etc.
Fortunately the majority of folks in the US don't agree with you & 9-11 shut up a lot of fools who did. Gun sales after 9-11
Can you admit there might be any time where a gun is able to be used in self defense?
I guarentee you that there are people that had guns locked up, unlocked them, and proceeded to use them successfully to defend themselves.
Of course... but not when you're a victim directly. If you see somebody else getting robbed or raped, you can be a hero and step in with a gun. But if it's happening to you directly, more than likely your gun is useless. And even in the instances where you are the victim and could get the gun, in most of those cases you could probably have succeeded doing something without a gun.
I have no problems with gun collections... and i love guns myself. What i have the problem with is people that think guns are a good means of protection, which they're not. If you're using it as protection, you either have to leave it in a place where it's easily reached, inwhich case there's a chance of accidents, theft, etc... or if it's secured, then it's practically useless as protection.
You said your gun saved you twice, then give me some scenarios in which a gun that is locked up, even in your linked vault, can be reached without problems. Do you answer your door everytime with a gun in your hand? Do you stop by a redlight with a gun in your lap all the time?
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