Got an anti-Bush bumper sticker? Prepare to be arrested

[jpeyton]

Here's a way to circumvent hotheaded pigs and farmers: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...9&item=6507129348&rd=1

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here's a way to circumvent hotheaded pigs and farmers: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...9&item=6507129348&rd=1

why are you bashing the hard working farmers of America you bigot? Just because they happen to believe in religion and support Bush? the middle of America represents far more than the east or west coasts for your information

please tell us how you really feel about farmers

 

[Aegeon]

I'm not sure justice will be as harsh as I think it should be, but at least it will be swift. Clearly the Denver Police Department didn't feel the officer's conduct was appropriate.

Denver police Sgt. Michael Karasek will be disciplined for threatening to arrest a woman for displaying on her truck a profane bumper sticker about President Bush, Police Chief Gerry Whitman said Tuesday.

An internal affairs investigation took just a day to complete, and the allegation against the officer was upheld, Whitman said.

He declined to say what the discipline would be but said that all the department's officers will receive "training about the topic."...

Bates, three UPS employees and a Rocky Mountain News reporter who happened to be there all say that the officer threatened to arrest the woman if she didn't remove the bumper sticker from her truck.

Bates filed a complaint against the officer with the department.

Karasek told investigators that he did threaten the woman with arrest, but at the time he thought he was following the law, a police source said. He realized shortly after the confrontation that he was wrong, the source said.

http://rockymountainnews.com/d...RMN_15_3498669,00.html

By the way, for anyone still unclear on this, the officer was definately not upholding the law.:roll:

 

[KK]

What a winner for having profanity on your car for all to see. I can tell that all in favor of having such a bumper sticker either don't have kids, or are fvcked up parents. And you wonder why the kids are screwed up nowadays. Way to go liberals, keep up the good work.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Who cares if it's legal. It's incredibly LAME.

How about "Sodomize Bush"?

I don't think it is lame, I think it's an efficient way of conveying one's general feelings of disdain and disgust re: Bush to the world.

Efficient? How about 14-year-oldish?

The only way it could be any better was if it said, "FVCK BUSH LOLOL!1!!!111!~~~ WTF"

Yes, efficient. By the way, I don't agree that cursing someone you dislike intensely is a thing only teenagers should do. It's for adults as well. This is a harmless way of releasing stress while expressing one's political outlook. I am all for this. "FVCK DUMBYA".

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: KK
What a winner for having profanity on your car for all to see. I can tell that all in favor of having such a bumper sticker either don't have kids, or are fvcked up parents. And you wonder why the kids are screwed up nowadays. Way to go liberals, keep up the good work.

Yes, because profanity is SUCH a moral outrage, and is CLEARLY the cause of all childhood developmental difficulties.

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Haha - how interesting I saw a POS gas guzzling bronco(full size) today that had a brand new "Fvck Bush" sticker on it. I chuckled. I mean, go ahead and throw your public tantrum via a bumper sticker if you wish - it's not like it's going to change anything. Infact I'd say more moderate folk might even get turned off the rabid left's antics.

<- can't wait for the next election cycle :laugh:

BTW - you can't swear in public in alot of places, heck you can't swear on TV. I really don't care if people put that on their vehicles, and I don't think it should be against the law to do so - but I think people should have the decency to choose more appropriate types of displays.

CsG

To think we are fighting a crusde to free people from tyranny when we are creating a religious tyranny right here in America. Oh that word is offensive because the bible says so! BAN IT! oh he did this ad the bible says it is bad. BAN IT! To think I thought we are supposed to be a free nation. Just more of: "America, the ultimate state of hypocrisy."

Some on the left and the right may be ok with these public decency laws but frankly there is a point where public decency turns into a way to force tyranny on others. That point has been breeched and is now being stormed by en mass via the new ideal that the majority opinion rules no matter what freedoms it may strip from a minority group of fellow citizenry.

Really people wake up and realize that if you don't fight for someone eles's rights to be who they are and what they are then you have no right to expect them to do the same when the march for public decency comes to your door.

Get a life and learn to "Love thy neighbor!"

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fatdog

Originally posted by: irwincur
People need to understand that police are not lawyers, judges, or politicians. They simply make snap judgements on what they consider to be either legal or illegal. If we require our police to actually know all of the nuances of the law before they arrest anyone, no one would ever be arrested.

The point is, many people daily are warned, arrested, etc... by the police for what turn out to be totally legal events. However, these things never stand up in court, as it is the judges (not the officers) job to know and interpret the law. For this reason, you are still considered innocent until proven guilty. Arrest, or warning aside, the law is on this womans side, and she would have prevailed had she a day in court over the matter.

But would you want to have a police record of arrest even though you were found innocent, because a cop doesn't know the law?

I sure wouldn't.

If you're not booked (charged with a crime), there would be no record.

Not always true at all. I was arrested once, and questioned on another incident once...BOTH of which appeared on my criminal record even though in the first case all charges were dropped before my first trial appearance and in the second I was never even charged with a crime or arrested. It took me 3 1/2 years of legal battles to get my record cleared. Police and courts often (not always, but often) WAY overstep their authority to punish those they personally don't like, and they only give in when they're faced with prosecution or loss of their jobs.

You can be charged and then have charges dropped before trial. Did you face an arraignment?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"Punish Bush, make her have sex with George!"

 

[BDawg]

IIRC, the supreme court has stated that the states cannot bar political speech in any way. They can ban "F--- you," but not "f--- Bush."

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: KK
What a winner for having profanity on your car for all to see. I can tell that all in favor of having such a bumper sticker either don't have kids, or are fvcked up parents. And you wonder why the kids are screwed up nowadays. Way to go liberals, keep up the good work.

Yes, because profanity is SUCH a moral outrage, and is CLEARLY the cause of all childhood developmental difficulties.

Yeah, just what you want an 8 year old picking off some dumbass' vehicle. What kind of parent would stick this kind of bumpersticker on their vehicle. I'll tell you, the same parent that doesn't give two sh1ts about their kid. Clearly you are one of them, please don't multiply as your kids would be fvcked in real life.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Fatdog

Originally posted by: irwincur
People need to understand that police are not lawyers, judges, or politicians. They simply make snap judgements on what they consider to be either legal or illegal. If we require our police to actually know all of the nuances of the law before they arrest anyone, no one would ever be arrested.

The point is, many people daily are warned, arrested, etc... by the police for what turn out to be totally legal events. However, these things never stand up in court, as it is the judges (not the officers) job to know and interpret the law. For this reason, you are still considered innocent until proven guilty. Arrest, or warning aside, the law is on this womans side, and she would have prevailed had she a day in court over the matter.

But would you want to have a police record of arrest even though you were found innocent, because a cop doesn't know the law?

I sure wouldn't.

If you're not booked (charged with a crime), there would be no record.

Not always true at all. I was arrested once, and questioned on another incident once...BOTH of which appeared on my criminal record even though in the first case all charges were dropped before my first trial appearance and in the second I was never even charged with a crime or arrested. It took me 3 1/2 years of legal battles to get my record cleared. Police and courts often (not always, but often) WAY overstep their authority to punish those they personally don't like, and they only give in when they're faced with prosecution or loss of their jobs.

You can be charged and then have charges dropped before trial. Did you face an arraignment?

Nope, not in any way. The first case I was arrested, booked into jail, released on bail a few hours later, then a couple days after that a seargent with the pd called asking me to come down and when I did he told me all the charges were dropped and they were sorry for the error. The second case I was called to answer some questions about an incident, the Lt. took my statement, said thank you very much and I went home. I found out only later through a records check that they'd put a charge with conviction on my record for what the incident was about.

 

[conjur]

In the first case, you were booked. That means charges were filed. Likely, your photo was taken, you were fingerprinted, and then either assigned bail or you were ROR. The 2nd time you have cause.

 

[Zedtom]

I'm not really sure about the legal aspects of free speech, but I am familiar with the mentality of the Denver Police Department.

There has always been a redneck cowboy attitude among officers on the force. When a situation calls for decisive action, most officers throw out the policies and procedures manual and make their own unilateral decisions. This often leads to blunders and unnecessary harassment.

This officer took the bullying approach, and would have got away with it if there hadn't been a newspaper reporter present.

We're used to this kind of nonsense here in Denver.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: KK
What a winner for having profanity on your car for all to see. I can tell that all in favor of having such a bumper sticker either don't have kids, or are fvcked up parents. And you wonder why the kids are screwed up nowadays. Way to go liberals, keep up the good work.

Yes, because profanity is SUCH a moral outrage, and is CLEARLY the cause of all childhood developmental difficulties.

Yeah, just what you want an 8 year old picking off some dumbass' vehicle. What kind of parent would stick this kind of bumpersticker on their vehicle. I'll tell you, the same parent that doesn't give two sh1ts about their kid. Clearly you are one of them, please don't multiply as your kids would be fvcked in real life.

Is the women in question a parent? Was that stated in the article?

You still haven't explained just what the problem is with profanity.

Explain to me how having such a bumper sticker on one's car indicates a lack of concern for the wellbeing of one's children.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: KK
What a winner for having profanity on your car for all to see. I can tell that all in favor of having such a bumper sticker either don't have kids, or are fvcked up parents. And you wonder why the kids are screwed up nowadays. Way to go liberals, keep up the good work.

Yes, because profanity is SUCH a moral outrage, and is CLEARLY the cause of all childhood developmental difficulties.

Yeah, just what you want an 8 year old picking off some dumbass' vehicle. What kind of parent would stick this kind of bumpersticker on their vehicle. I'll tell you, the same parent that doesn't give two sh1ts about their kid. Clearly you are one of them, please don't multiply as your kids would be fvcked in real life.

Is the women in question a parent? Was that stated in the article?

You still haven't explained just what the problem is with profanity.

Explain to me how having such a bumper sticker on one's car indicates a lack of concern for the wellbeing of one's children.

Was the woman a parent, I don't know. I made no assumptions that she was. The only assumption I made was that if she was a parent, she's a fvcked up one.

Do you have kids? Do you want me to walk up to your kids and start using every 4 letter word? Why not just pop in a porno for your kids to watch instead of Barney. If you don't have a problem with profanity, surely porn is ok.

How does using profanity indicate lack of concern for the wellbeing of one's child? You can't be that obtuse.

 

[jpeyton]

What a sad world we live in, to place the blame of fvcked up kids on some bad language on a bumper sticker.

Blame your own damn self.

Sorry, but if you as a parent do you job, then nothing...not teasing or taunting, not violent video games, not explicit lyrics, not movie/TV violence...NOTHING will screw up your kids.

Humans have the ability to absorb a great deal of experiences and not be affected at their core. If you think a bumper sticker is going to ruin America, I suggest you open up your eyes.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What a sad world we live in, to place the blame of fvcked up kids on some bad language on a bumper sticker.

Blame your own damn self.

Sorry, but if you as a parent do you job, then nothing...not teasing or taunting, not violent video games, not explicit lyrics, not movie/TV violence...NOTHING will screw up your kids.

Humans have the ability to absorb a great deal of experiences and not be affected at their core. If you think a bumper sticker is going to ruin America, I suggest you open up your eyes.

:thumbsup:

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What a sad world we live in, to place the blame of fvcked up kids on some bad language on a bumper sticker.

Blame your own damn self.

Sorry, but if you as a parent do you job, then nothing...not teasing or taunting, not violent video games, not explicit lyrics, not movie/TV violence...NOTHING will screw up your kids.

Humans have the ability to absorb a great deal of experiences and not be affected at their core. If you think a bumper sticker is going to ruin America, I suggest you open up your eyes.

Who do you think the fvcked up kids come from. People that have no regard for wellbeing of kids. You can't deny that if you had kids, you wouldn't want them in presence of such language. Then again if you had kids, you'd be telling them that the US soldiers deserve to die. Kids learn alot from their surrondings, you keep the kid around crack dealers, they'll more than likely become crack dealers. If you house is full of hate, your kids will acquire that as well. Why don't you not procreate and save society the trouble of raising your kids, as you surely aren't capable.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What a sad world we live in, to place the blame of fvcked up kids on some bad language on a bumper sticker.

Blame your own damn self.

Sorry, but if you as a parent do you job, then nothing...not teasing or taunting, not violent video games, not explicit lyrics, not movie/TV violence...NOTHING will screw up your kids.

Humans have the ability to absorb a great deal of experiences and not be affected at their core. If you think a bumper sticker is going to ruin America, I suggest you open up your eyes.

Who do you think the fvcked up kids come from. People that have no regard for wellbeing of kids. You can't deny that if you had kids, you wouldn't want them in presence of such language. Then again if you had kids, you'd be telling them that the US soldiers deserve to die. Kids learn alot from their surrondings, you keep the kid around crack dealers, they'll more than likely become crack dealers. If you house is full of hate, your kids will acquire that as well. Why don't you not procreate and save society the trouble of raising your kids, as you surely aren't capable.

I can guarantee you if I put a F-ck Bush bumper sticker on my car, my daughters would in no way be affected by it. I've raised them well. Heck, they'd probably want to help put it on! My oldest thinks Bush is going to burn in Hell.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What a sad world we live in, to place the blame of fvcked up kids on some bad language on a bumper sticker.

Blame your own damn self.

Sorry, but if you as a parent do you job, then nothing...not teasing or taunting, not violent video games, not explicit lyrics, not movie/TV violence...NOTHING will screw up your kids.

Humans have the ability to absorb a great deal of experiences and not be affected at their core. If you think a bumper sticker is going to ruin America, I suggest you open up your eyes.

:thumbsup:

Another great parent here. And I know you have kids, hopefully you're exwife has some common sense to rub off on these kids and that she has custody.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What a sad world we live in, to place the blame of fvcked up kids on some bad language on a bumper sticker.

Blame your own damn self.

Sorry, but if you as a parent do you job, then nothing...not teasing or taunting, not violent video games, not explicit lyrics, not movie/TV violence...NOTHING will screw up your kids.

Humans have the ability to absorb a great deal of experiences and not be affected at their core. If you think a bumper sticker is going to ruin America, I suggest you open up your eyes.

Who do you think the fvcked up kids come from. People that have no regard for wellbeing of kids. You can't deny that if you had kids, you wouldn't want them in presence of such language. Then again if you had kids, you'd be telling them that the US soldiers deserve to die. Kids learn alot from their surrondings, you keep the kid around crack dealers, they'll more than likely become crack dealers. If you house is full of hate, your kids will acquire that as well. Why don't you not procreate and save society the trouble of raising your kids, as you surely aren't capable.

I can guarantee you if I put a F-ck Bush bumper sticker on my car, my daughters would in no way be affected by it. I've raised them well. Heck, they'd probably want to help put it on! My oldest thinks Bush is going to burn in Hell.

And you use this language around your kids? :thumbsup: Great job.

 

[KK]

And what happens when your kid goes to school and starts cussing in front of the teachers? You probably just brush it off as the kids being kids. :thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What a sad world we live in, to place the blame of fvcked up kids on some bad language on a bumper sticker.

Blame your own damn self.

Sorry, but if you as a parent do you job, then nothing...not teasing or taunting, not violent video games, not explicit lyrics, not movie/TV violence...NOTHING will screw up your kids.

Humans have the ability to absorb a great deal of experiences and not be affected at their core. If you think a bumper sticker is going to ruin America, I suggest you open up your eyes.

Who do you think the fvcked up kids come from. People that have no regard for wellbeing of kids. You can't deny that if you had kids, you wouldn't want them in presence of such language. Then again if you had kids, you'd be telling them that the US soldiers deserve to die. Kids learn alot from their surrondings, you keep the kid around crack dealers, they'll more than likely become crack dealers. If you house is full of hate, your kids will acquire that as well. Why don't you not procreate and save society the trouble of raising your kids, as you surely aren't capable.

I can guarantee you if I put a F-ck Bush bumper sticker on my car, my daughters would in no way be affected by it. I've raised them well. Heck, they'd probably want to help put it on! My oldest thinks Bush is going to burn in Hell.

And you use this language around your kids? :thumbsup: Great job.

Not consistently, no. They have seen R-rated movies, they've heard me cussing idiot drivers. We have no hangups on a word that exists in the dictionary.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: KK
And what happens when your kid goes to school and starts cussing in front of the teachers? You probably just brush it off as the kids being kids. :thumbsup:

Wow...you sure didn't need a push to slide down that slippery slope logic, did you?