GK106 die shot, once again with new specs

[Haserath]

I don't care if a game is AAA, AA, A, or F. Who even decides this?

If it's fun, I play it.

The card's potential in certain games is all I really care about, because that could mean later games will perform just the same.

If the 7970 beats the 680 overall by 10% now, it should perform 10% better later unless there is a major graphics overhaul, but by then, it should be obsolete anyway.

 

[RussianSensation]

Sleeping Dogs is going for $33.99. Can't see BL2 for selling much more than that.

7870 saves $70-80 over the 660Ti.
7950 OC provides GTX670 OC performance for $70-80 less as well.

GTX660Ti makes no sense, sorry. We also know that 660Ti completely tanks with MSAA, so it's even worse. The performance isn't slightly slower than an overclocked 7950 but pretty much in another league in Batman AC + MSAA or in Skyrim with Mods. There are basically no games at all where the 660Ti OC will have any serious lead and a laundry list of titles where 7950 OC would be 20-30% faster. In simplest terms, it can actually be summarized as follows: people are cross-shopping 7950 with the 670 now because they are seeing the potential an OCed 7950 has.

With after-market 950mhz 7950s with quiet coolers going for $310-320, 660Ti is outclassed completely. A 925mhz 7950 is already 7% faster at 1080P and we know 7950 has 1150-1200mhz OCing headroom in it. It's game ova for the 660Ti @ $300 price level. For gamers on a budget, they see the 660Ti just 10% faster than a $60-80 cheaper 7870 card....and wonder what they are paying so much extra for.

 

[notty22]

From the gtx 660ti launch review. Launch drivers.

As it stands, AMD’s position correctly reflects their performance; the GTX 660 Ti is a solid and relatively consistent 10-15% faster than the 7870, while the 7950 is anywhere between a bit faster to a bit slower depending on what benchmarks you favor. Of course when talking about the 7950 the “anything but equal” maxim still applies here, if not more so than with the GTX 670. The GTX 660 Ti is anywhere between 50% ahead of the 7950 and 25% behind it, and everywhere in between.

Today there is no hot deal 7870, so you are looking at 240-260 for a non-blower model.

 

[blastingcap]

A 660 Ti for $299 with BL2 is not necessarily a bad deal compared to a good 7950 for $319 if the 7950 doesn't come with anything and if you really want BL2 that badly.

 

[Silverforce11]

Russian posted this in another thread, looks like my original link updated with more info:
http://videocardz.com/34628/nvidias...r-edition-and-asus-directcu-ii-cards-pictured

GK106 has 5 SMX units, and will be about 20% slower than a gtx660ti, and will be rated with a 140 watt TDP. This will put it between an hd7850 and hd7870 (closer to the hd7850) in performance.

They have a huge hole between 650 and 660.. its nuts. Expecting 650ti with gk106 fused dies??

 

[Crap Daddy]

the 660Ti just 10% faster than a $60-80 cheaper 7870 card....

There's a GTX 660Ti Gigabyte OC at $280 at newegg while the cheapest 7870 is $240 there (both with rebates). I don't think 40$ more for the 660Ti is bad. The performance difference between 7870 and 7950 is also 10% and the price difference is 70$.

 

[Keysplayr]

Been playing Darksiders II for a bit. The graphics are not bad, but the gameplay is really good. I'm enjoying it, whether it be A, AA, AAA, XXX

 

[Keysplayr]

They have a huge hole between 650 and 660.. its nuts. Expecting 650ti with gk106 fused dies??

Well, if all this info is accurate, there is room for a cut down 660.
Like the GTX460 had the 460SE with 228 CUDA cores instead of 336.

There may be something similar for 660. As you said, there appears to be a big hole between 660 and 650. And I'm sure you'll find another if a "660SE" arrives.

However, it does look as though Kepler is rounding out for a full line. Top to bottom.

 

[blastingcap]

There's a GTX 660Ti Gigabyte OC at $280 at newegg while the cheapest 7870 is $240 there (both with rebates). I don't think 40$ more for the 660Ti is bad. The performance difference between 7870 and 7950 is also 10% and the price difference is 70$.

OC vs OC the 7950 is over 20% faster than the 7870 and has +1 GB VRAM and more compute performance as well. You get about 20% oc headroom on the 7870 and about 45% oc headroom on the 7950.

 

[Keysplayr]

And what for those that do not overclock?

 

[SirPauly]

GTX660Ti makes no sense, sorry. We also know that 660Ti completely tanks with MSAA, so it's even worse.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti/7/

I just don't know. 1900 x 1200, x4 AA is a nice basis for the sku and competes just fine with a HD 7950. This is the reason why AMD price dropped the HD 7870 and HD 7950 -- because the sku handles AA just fine and doesn't completely tank, imho.

All this nVidia can't compete mumbo jumbo and yet it is AMD that needs to continue to drop pricing to compete, imho.

 

[blastingcap]

And what for those that do not overclock?

If one can't take 5 minutes out of one's life to learn how to overclock, or if one is so paranoid about "hurting" his or her card, then maybe one should be gaming on a console.

 

[Crap Daddy]

All this nVidia can't compete mumbo jumbo and yet it is AMD that needs to continue to drop pricing to compete, imho.

It's a trend over here.

If one can't take 5 minutes out of one's life to learn how to overclock

To reach 20-40% overclock stable it's not 5 minutes.

I am pretty sure the large majority of buyers don't touch overclocking. That's why there are factory OCed cards.

 

[blastingcap]

It's a trend over here.



To reach 20-40% overclock stable it's not 5 minutes.

I am pretty sure the large majority of buyers don't touch overclocking. That's why there are factory OCed cards.

I said to learn how to overclock. And 20% oc on a 7950 is just 960 MHz, btw.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I said to learn how to overclock. And 20% oc on a 7950 is just 960 MHz, btw.

I'm dumb and thought the stock clock on a 7950 was 850mhz.

 

[Keysplayr]

If one can't take 5 minutes out of one's life to learn how to overclock, or if one is so paranoid about "hurting" his or her card, then maybe one should be gaming on a console.

Can't believe I just read that.. What for those that do not overclock?

 

[Hypertag]

Can't believe I just read that.. What for those that do not overclock?

Well, since the only way AMD can win a benchmark now is with overclocking, that means the only acceptable way to compare GPUs is Nvidia's stock versus AMD's fully overclocked.

Obviously we wouldn't be hearing this is AMD's GPUs were fully competitive, but we can't expect much else.

 

[Silverforce11]

Can't believe I just read that.. What for those that do not overclock?

Then buy whatever is best value out of the box.

That would be the 670 for high end, and the 7870 for mid-range.

 

[raghu78]

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti/7/

I just don't know. 1900 x 1200, x4 AA is a nice basis for the sku and competes just fine with a HD 7950. This is the reason why AMD price dropped the HD 7870 and HD 7950 -- because the sku handles AA just fine and doesn't completely tank, imho.

All this nVidia can't compete mumbo jumbo and yet it is AMD that needs to continue to drop pricing to compete, imho.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-amd-radeon-hd-7950-mit-925-mhz/3/

AMD HD 7950 with boost is not running at 925 Mhz and still midway between GTX 660 Ti and GTX 670. By just enabling the +20% power option in AMD CCC the performance gets to within 2 - 3% of GTX 670 which is boosting to 1 Ghz+ speeds depending on the chip. clock for clock HD 7950 is 3 - 5% slower than HD 7970 , as is the GTX 670 behind GTX 680.

Push these cards with overclocking and the HD 7950 scales better and in most cases beats a GTX 670.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950

HD 7950 OC is faster than GTX 670 OC. GTX 660 Ti is for people who get carried away by marketing tricks. GTX 660 Ti perf crashes badly in games like Metro 2033 (DOF with MSAA) , Crysis Warhead where its bandwidth and ROP shortages are thoroughly exposed. In these games a HD 7950 OC leads by 30 -40% over the GTX 660 Ti OC. GTX 660 Ti the worst choice when games like Crysis 3 and Metro Last light are lining up for Q1 2013. As for HD 7950 there are factory overclocked models like Sapphire HD 7950 950 Mhz edition with HD 7970 PCB , overclocking friendly BIOS which hit 1150 Mhz easily. At those speeds the HD 7950 is on par or faster than HD 7970 Ghz.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Crytek-Crysis-3-Keplar-FPS-Melting-PC,16928.html

People who buy a GTX 660 Ti are going to find 6 months down the lane how shortsighted their investment was.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Well, since the only way AMD can win a benchmark now is with overclocking, that means the only acceptable way to compare GPUs is Nvidia's stock versus AMD's fully overclocked.

Obviously we wouldn't be hearing this is AMD's GPUs were fully competitive, but we can't expect much else.

What is th... I don.... um?

Even without overclocking AMD dominates right now based on price/performance...

 

[Keysplayr]

Then buy whatever is best value out of the box.

That would be the 670 for high end, and the 7870 for mid-range.

Thanks Blasting Cap. :thumbsup:

 

[Keysplayr]

What is th... I don.... um?

Even without overclocking AMD dominates right now based on price/performance...

Do you mean because there is no Nvidia offering of Kepler below GTX660Ti at the moment? Then I'd agree. But, if you're speaking of 660Ti and above, then I can't agree there.

 

[railven]

Man, reading some of the posts now it's like the GTX 460 didn't exist anymore (or at that the whole GTX 4/5 series which OC'ed better than AMD parts at the time.)

The flip flopping by both sides is so tiresome.

I bought a GTX 460 sold on the whole "it OC's like a beast, 900mhz is NOTHING" mine didn't OC so hot, no biggie, got a SC from EVGA as a replacement due to the TDR issue and that one OC'ed nicely

Of course my HD 5870 couldn't OC either

Oh well, my 680 and 7970 both seem to OC well.

 

[Silverforce11]

Do you mean because there is no Nvidia offering of Kepler below GTX660Ti at the moment? Then I'd agree. But, if you're speaking of 660Ti and above, then I can't agree there.

What do you mean, 7970 custom cooled Ghz ed going for heaps less than gtx680 and is as fast/faster... no OC necessary.

Sure, the 670 is great value for non-OCers (which i've always recommended).

 

[blastingcap]

Can't believe I just read that.. What for those that do not overclock?

Then buy everything NV w/ GPU Boost which is sort of like automated mild overclocking. Don't forget the CUDA/Physx/A-vsync either. Is that a better answer, teacher?