GK106 die shot, once again with new specs

[Keysplayr]

Then buy everything NV w/ GPU Boost which is sort of like automated mild overclocking. Don't forget the CUDA/Physx/A-vsync either. Is that a better answer, teacher?

It's outta da box that way. Nobody has to touch it. It's the way it was intended to work without ANY user intervention.
I'll expect an apple on my desk in the morning else detention is in order.

 

[Keysplayr]

What do you mean, 7970 custom cooled Ghz ed going for heaps less than gtx680 and is as fast/faster... no OC necessary.

Sure, the 670 is great value for non-OCers (which i've always recommended).

Regardless of new sku, the GHz 7970 is just a 925MHz 7970 clock to a GHz.
So basically, AMD had to up voltage and o/c to compensate.
And 30.00 is heaps less. Ok. ::shrugs::
5 cheapest 7970 GHz Ed. on the Egg is 469.99 bucks
5 Cheapest 680s are 499.99 bucks.
Of all the titles popular or not today, does the 7970GHz dominate?

 

[railven]

It's outta da box that way. Nobody has to touch it. It's the way it was intended to work without ANY user intervention.
I'll expect an apple on my desk in the morning else detention is in order.

Regardless of new sku, the GHz 7970 is just a 925MHz 7970 clock to a GHz.
So basically, AMD had to up voltage and o/c to compensate.
And 30.00 is heaps less. Ok. ::shrugs::
5 cheapest 7970 GHz Ed. on the Egg is 469.99 bucks
5 Cheapest 680s are 499.99 bucks.
Of all the titles popular or not today, does the 7970GHz dominate?

Odd, how the statement in the first post applies to the second, yet it is a negative?

 

[Keysplayr]

Odd, how the statement in the first post applies to the second, yet it is a negative?

I can see how it might seem that way, but..

Not exactly. 7970 925MHz was direct competitor to 680. AMD had to futz with Tahiti and release "new sku" clocked at 1GHz and volted up to compete. Am I wrong?

Nvidia can do this as well. They just haven't. There have been many Ultra's in the past.

I guess that is one of the disadvantages of being the first to launch a product. AMD gets Kudos points to some for doing that, but
it's so much easier to be second and easily see where the bar is set. Fortunately for Nvidia, this bar was set quite a bit lower than anyone ever expected with AMD's 7 series.

 

[railven]

Not exactly. 7970 was direct competitor. AMD had to futz with Tahiti and release "new sku" clocked at 1GHz and volted up to compete. Am I wrong?

Nvidia can do this as well. They just haven't. There have been many Ultra's in the past.

Not disagreeing with any of this, just how you painted it for the AMD reference it came off negative.

Regardless what they do at the fabs, when we buy em it's as you said "outta da box that way." But you tied an asterisk to the AMD portion.

 

[Keysplayr]

Not disagreeing with any of this, just how you painted it for the AMD reference it came off negative.

Regardless what they do at the fabs, when we buy em it's as you said "outta da box that way." But you tied an asterisk to the AMD portion.

Yes it could seem that way. But to me, the 7970GHz is just a reaction card needed to level the playing field between competitors.

 

[blastingcap]

They make factory-overclocked cards of all types, including 7970 and 680. Some factory overclocked 7970s (not all of them GHz editions; e.g., I believe there was at least one (Powercolor) clocked at 1.1GHz before the GHz edition came out) outperform stock GTX 680 and the cost was comparable or less, especially if they came with games back when GTX 680 did not. You pay extra in electricity though.

GTX 680 came out several months after the 7970, after process had matured a little more. Now that 28nm TSMC has matured even more we are seeing prices drop all around and more common factory oc's allowing for stuff like the GHz edition.

 

[Silverforce11]

Of all the titles popular or not today, does the 7970GHz dominate?

Yes, in quite a few recent titles.

 

[railven]

Yes it could seem that way. But to me, the 7970GHz is just a reaction card needed to level the playing field between competitors.

So, is it a negative or a positive? Because I only see win for consumers.

 

[Keysplayr]

So, is it a negative or a positive? Because I only see win for consumers.

Sure, it's a win for consumers. Just not this back and for BS banter in the forums. There is a difference and I understand that.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, in quite a few recent titles.

Such as?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I can see how it might seem that way, but..

Not exactly. 7970 925MHz was direct competitor to 680. AMD had to futz with Tahiti and release "new sku" clocked at 1GHz and volted up to compete. Am I wrong?

Nvidia can do this as well. They just haven't. There have been many Ultra's in the past.

I guess that is one of the disadvantages of being the first to launch a product. AMD gets Kudos points to some for doing that, but
it's so much easier to be second and easily see where the bar is set. Fortunately for Nvidia, this bar was set quite a bit lower than anyone ever expected with AMD's 7 series.

The thing for Nvidia this generation is that they didn't leave as much performance on the table as AMD did. Nvidia could release an ultra card at 1300mhz and beat the ghz edition. AMD in turn could take binned chips release a 1200mhz card and beat nvidia again.

AMD's clock scaling on GCN is not something to be ignored, and it's just better than what Nvidia has currently.

 

[railven]

Sure, it's a win for consumers. Just not this back and for BS banter in the forums. There is a difference and I understand that.

It seems you understand what I was saying, and realize the difference (I just saw your edited post above.)

 

[SirPauly]

GTX 660 Ti is for people who get carried away by marketing tricks.

People who buy a GTX 660 Ti are going to find 6 months down the lane how shortsighted their investment was.

Imho,

One of the compelling points about Kepler is the efficiency. All this reaction from AMD may confuse the customer.

The HD 7950 is 449 -- no it's 399 -- no it's 349 -- no it's 329 -- no, the new bios -- all reactions to Kepler. Fear mongering doesn't change this. It has been strong competition and compelling hardware that has forced AMD to reduce pricing -- not marketing tricks.

 

[Keysplayr]

Well said. Seconded. ^

 

[blastingcap]

Imho,

One of the compelling points about Kepler is the efficiency. All this reaction from AMD may confuse the customer.

The HD 7950 is 449 -- no it's 399 -- no it's 349 -- no it's 329 -- no, the new bios -- all reactions to Kepler. Fear mongering doesn't change this. It has been strong competition and compelling hardware that has forced AMD to reduce pricing -- not marketing tricks.

What fear mongering? Many people on this forum lambasted AMD for its initial high prices when it had a market monopoly, and most people understand that NV helped bring prices back down to earth.

Further, you jump to conclusions in your post. You completely ignored a major other reason why AMD could lower prices over time: TSMC 28nm process maturation + AMD's weak pro graphics card market share.

I think NV hasn't dropped prices as much because they make so much more money off their professional graphics cards. JHH of NV said they are still constrained by TSMC 28nm capacity. If you made FAR more profit from the same GK104s in your pro card segment than you did your gaming segment, faced huge demand in your pro card segment, and were capacity constrained, it'd make sense in the short term to sell all your GK104s as Tesla/Quadro cards and reserve zero GK104s for gamers. But NV knows it can't just abandon gamers and market share like that. So it appears NV is willing to sell some GK104s at relatively low prices to gamers, but is in no hurry to drop prices on GK104 because they can't make it up in volume due to capacity constraints.

There is more leeway to drop prices on GTX 670/660Ti as those are harvested chips so one would expect more price drops by NV there. However, as TSMC 28nm process improves, there may be less harvested chips to go around which would counteract that.

 

[AnandThenMan]

All this reaction from AMD may confuse the customer.

Price drops confuse people? AMD reacting is smart business, if they didn't you'd be one of the first to say AMD is falling behind and not responding to the market. Speaking of reacting, when is Nvidia going to react to AMD's full lineup of 28nm products? They are taking their sweet time to say the least.

 

[SirPauly]

What fear mongering? Many people on this forum lambasted AMD for its initial high prices when it had a market monopoly, and most people understand that NV helped bring prices back down to earth.

Further, you jump to conclusions in your post. You completely ignored a major other reason why AMD could lower prices over time: TSMC 28nm process maturation + AMD's weak pro graphics card market share.

I think NV hasn't dropped prices as much because they make so much more money off their professional graphics cards. JHH of NV said they are still constrained by TSMC 28nm capacity. If you made FAR more profit from the same GK104s in your pro card segment than you did your gaming segment, faced huge demand in your pro card segment, and were capacity constrained, it'd make sense in the short term to sell all your GK104s as Tesla/Quadro cards and reserve zero GK104s for gamers. But NV knows it can't just abandon gamers and market share like that. So it appears NV is willing to sell some GK104s at relatively low prices to gamers, but is in no hurry to drop prices on GK104 because they can't make it up in volume due to capacity constraints.

There is more leeway to drop prices on GTX 670/660Ti as those are harvested chips so one would expect more price drops by NV there. However, as TSMC 28nm process improves, there may be less harvested chips to go around which would counteract that.

With strong competition and with every Kepler release, AMD has dropped pricing -- GTX 680 -- GTX 670 -- GTX 660ti.

 

[chimaxi83]

With strong competition and with every Kepler release, AMD has dropped pricing -- GTX 680 -- GTX 670 -- GTX 660ti.

...but also winning back performance, and still holding price/performance by far. Let's not pretend that AMD is dropping prices because their cards don't perform, it's because they're trying to win back market share. I hope they do.

 

[AnandThenMan]

With strong competition and with every Kepler release, AMD has dropped pricing -- GTX 680 -- GTX 670 -- GTX 660ti.

Competition causes price drops, why is this surprising? Plus you should be happy about the price drops, but instead you seem bitter and claim it is confusing people. :| You must live in a different reality where good value for the consumer is some horrible, confusing negative. I thought all you wanted was the market to decide?

 

[Silverforce11]

Such as?

You haven't been reading reviews lately?

The current hot game: Sleeping Dogs

Add Sniper Elite v2 and Dirt Showdown.

So in the more recent DX11 games, Tahiti faceplants Kepler.

Which recent games have Kepler doing the same vs Tahiti?

 

[SirPauly]

Think it's great actually and also believe AMD offers compelling choice. The key is I think they both -- nVidia and AMD -- do and neither are an obvious choice for someone. Both have strengths that may be compelling. My advice: Read the reviews, listen to official information, read views in forums that may offer first hand investigations and pick the choice that fits one's subjective tastes and tolerances, needs and wallet/budget -- enjoy -- hopefully share views with others.

 

[SirPauly]

I thought all you wanted was the market to decide?

Market does decide and to me, the real judge and jury.

 

[Crap Daddy]

You haven't been reading reviews lately?

The current hot game: Sleeping Dogs

Add Sniper Elite v2 and Dirt Showdown.

So in the more recent DX11 games, Tahiti faceplants Kepler.

Which recent games have Kepler doing the same vs Tahiti?

Gaming has Evolved.

 

[Red Hawk]

You haven't been reading reviews lately?

The current hot game: Sleeping Dogs

Add Sniper Elite v2 and Dirt Showdown.

So in the more recent DX11 games, Tahiti faceplants Kepler.

Which recent games have Kepler doing the same vs Tahiti?

Deus Ex: Human Revolution, The Secret World, Arkham City, Battlefield 3.