GK106 die shot, once again with new specs

[SpeedTester]

To wlee's post. lol, huh?

 

[Homeles]

Sure dude. The card is barely faster than a 7870, you should probably try to get over it. The only irrelevance here is a 660ti at its current price, but I guess its cool because of PhysX right? Why some of you people get sooooo worked up/mad and cry tears over video cards, we normal people will never know. It's pitiful.

Sorry, I have charts and numbers to back up my assertions. You don't have anything but your enslavement to confirmation bias.

Once again, why are you bringing price into the discussion? Price has nothing to do with claims that are purely involved with performance.

I actually couldn't care less about the subject at hand. Your argument is pathetic and patently false. Stupidity is what works me up, not graphics cards.

 

[Phynaz]

I really hate it when people go full fanboy. Never go full fanboy.

I love it, it's great entertainment. Maybe he'll lose his mind like Balla did :biggrin:

 

[Phynaz]

Since when are those AAA titles?

Sleeping Dogs isn't a AAA title? What is it then, homebrew?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Sorry, I have charts and numbers to back up my assertions. You don't have anything but your enslavement to confirmation bias.

Once again, why are you bringing price into the discussion? Price has nothing to do with claims that are purely involved with performance.

I actually couldn't care less about the subject at hand. Your argument is pathetic and patently false. Stupidity is what works me up, not graphics cards.

For the last time, we're not 4Chan. If you want to keep your ability to embed images, you need to stop abusing it.
-ViRGE

 

[piesquared]

lmfao good answer, way to show me what titles are AAA.

even guild wars 2 is a nvidia title. You can get equal frames on a 670 compared to a 7970 according to tomshardware.

http://sites.amd.com/us/game/Pages/game-home.aspx

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2012/07/11/amd-gaming-evolved-hits-san-diego-comic-con-2012/

AMD’s Gaming Evolved Gets a Shot of Adrenaline

Dirt Showdown
Showgun Total War
Dirt 3
Sniper Elite
Sleeping Dogs
MOH Warfighter
Hitman Absolution
Bioshock Infinite
New Tomb Raider

For starters.

BTW the 7850 will also out perform a 680 in some games and 2x or more performance in compute.

PS Sorry RIM, but this 9860 absolutely sucks, especially the browser.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Sleeping Dogs isn't a AAA title? What is it then, homebrew?

Emma Stone and Lucy Liu are unknown, B list actresses.

 

[Atreidin]

I'm ignorant here.

What exactly is an AAA game?
Is there a gamer poll taken by somebody to determine this, or is it an arbitrary rating by someone?

It is a game optimized for Nvidia, apparently. In all seriousness, it is a retarded term with no real meaning and I wish people would stop using it. It means whatever the person bringing it up wants it to mean. "AAA" implies quality but there are a lot of supposed AAA games that are just awful.

 

[Phynaz]

Emma Stone and Lucy Liu are unknown, B list actresses.

Oh in that case, since they can't get into any of the good parties, I'll just invite them to come slum with me. :awe:

 

[tviceman]

Well there is a MSI gtx660 spec sheet floating around for a gtx660, with GK106 clearly labeled on it, and it is listed as 960 cores. I think this is the most likely scenario, making GK106 5 smx's and 960 cuda cores.

Edit: MSI gtx660 spec sheet http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1663615&postcount=5389

There are some oddities to it, like the 170 watt TDP.

 

[chimaxi83]

Sorry, I have charts and numbers to back up my assertions. You don't have anything but your enslavement to confirmation bias.

Once again, why are you bringing price into the discussion? Price has nothing to do with claims that are purely involved with performance.

I actually couldn't care less about the subject at hand. Your argument is pathetic and patently false. Stupidity is what works me up, not graphics cards.

lol, you sound so smart bro! Your tears are delicious

 

[Homeles]

lol, you sound so smart bro! Your tears are delicious

Your ignorance and inability to think critically is wonderful for my ego. Once again — you're a slave to confirmation bias. Why in the world would I be "crying" when you are so clearly losing the fight?

The only true ignorance is the ignorance of our rules, particularly the bit about not attacking other members.
-ViRGE

 

[chimaxi83]

Your ignorance and inability to think critically is wonderful for my ego. Once again — you're a slave to confirmation bias. Why in the world would I be "crying" when you are so clearly losing the fight?

Your use of the word "fight" is a clear indicator that you're taking this waaaaay too serious dude! Fight the good green fight, hooah!

 

[Homeles]

Your use of the word "fight" is a clear indicator that you're taking this waaaaay too serious dude! Fight the good green fight, hooah!

The irony of this... oh man. I'm totally taking a screenshot of this and showing it to the guys that are convinced that I'm an AMD fanboy over at OCN. Actually, you'd probably find a couple here that think the same thing.

Still dodging. Still losing. That pretty much describes you, huh?

 

[AnandThenMan]

You win 5 internet tubes, congrats man you are awesome.

You win an infraction. Congrats man.:|

No personal attacks means NO PERSONAL ATTACKS

-ViRGE

 

[Homeles]

You win 5 internet tubes, congrats man you are awesome.

Jealous that you're not involved in this, I see.

 

[markyd]

http://sites.amd.com/us/game/Pages/game-home.aspx

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2012/07/11/amd-gaming-evolved-hits-san-diego-comic-con-2012/

AMD’s Gaming Evolved Gets a Shot of Adrenaline

Dirt Showdown
Showgun Total War
Dirt 3
Sniper Elite
Sleeping Dogs
MOH Warfighter
Hitman Absolution
Bioshock Infinite
New Tomb Raider

For starters.

BTW the 7850 will also out perform a 680 in some games and 2x or more performance in compute.

PS Sorry RIM, but this 9860 absolutely sucks, especially the browser.

The 4 last games aren't out and medal of honor uses frostbite 2 (like battlefield) so i doubt it'll be amd favoured, we'll see. Dirt is not a AAA title lol neither is sniper elite...Wait what? What's sniper elite again?

Shogun is infact a AAA title (though it runs better on nvidia, doesnt it ? go figure). Sleeping Dogs is not a AAA title. It is a AA title. ... For starters.

Edit: I will add though, that if MOH Warfighter, Bioshock, Hitman and Tomb Raider are indeed AMD titles, those are nice AAA titles right there, something AMD doesn't have at the moment. Though i have doubts about MOH.

 

[chimaxi83]

The 4 last games aren't out and medal of honor uses frostbite 2 (like battlefield) so i doubt it'll be amd favoured, we'll see. Dirt is not a AAA title lol neither is sniper elite...Wait what? What's sniper elite again?

Shogun is infact a AAA title (though it runs better on nvidia, doesnt it ? go figure). Sleeping Dogs is not a AAA title. It is a AA title. ... For starters.

Edit: I will add though, that if MOH Warfighter, Bioshock, Hitman and Tomb Raider are indeed AMD titles, those are nice AAA titles right there, something AMD doesn't have at the moment. Though i have doubts about MOH.

Can I join the "PC Video Game A, AA, or AAA Advisory Board", of which you are quite obviously the CEO? I, too, would like to spew my opinions as fact

 

[markyd]

Can I join the "PC Video Game A, AA, or AAA Advisory Board", of which you are quite obviously the CEO? I, too, would like to spew my opinions as fact

Alright buddy, so show me what i'm wrong about. AAA titles are rated 9+ amongst major review sites. It's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the gaming industry.

 

[Grooveriding]

Mess of a thread. Sort of doomed when the OP starts with an opening salvo claiming this card will across the board be faster than a 7870. Might as well just said 'let's troll/flame'

Also, come on. Look at the specs and other Kepler cards. The card will be lucky to get even a few wins against the 7870, and those few will likely be reviews of the mist highly overclocked after market card available.

Nvidia's mid range cards suck this generation.

 

[tviceman]

Mess of a thread. Sort of doomed when the OP starts with an opening salvo claiming this card will across the board be faster than a 7870. Might as well just said 'let's troll/flame'

Also, come on. Look at the specs and other Kepler cards. The card will be lucky to get even a few wins against the 7870, and those few will likely be reviews of the mist highly overclocked after market card available.

Nvidia's mid range cards suck this generation.

Dude seriously. I thought you and I were past the petty sh!t and round-about snide comments. A little common sense look at how 1 less SMX unit clocked higher than a gtx660 with the same bandwidth would get performance equal to or better than an hd7870 would have saved you from ignorant insinuations. I don't hide behind factual data in an attempt to ruffle feathers. When I'm trolling, you'll know.

If GK106 would have ended up with 6 SMX units with the same memory bandwidth as the gtx660, in all likelihood it would have performed equal to / better than an hd7870. Just like with GF116, GK106 would have been clocked as high or higher than GK104, and bandwidth wouldn't have been bottled necked with the computational capability like the gtx670 or gtx680. I really don't understand the difficulty in perceiving this.

The thread is a complete mess, btw. It's impossible to form opinions and speak about them without threads being deduced to crap that is this. Regardless, it looks like it's going to be 5 SMX's, so at this point it's a woulda coulda shoulda wonder about argument. Feel free to agree or disagree with a little common courtesy.

 

[tviceman]

Russian posted this in another thread, looks like my original link updated with more info:
http://videocardz.com/34628/nvidias...r-edition-and-asus-directcu-ii-cards-pictured

GK106 has 5 SMX units, and will be about 20% slower than a gtx660ti, and will be rated with a 140 watt TDP. This will put it between an hd7850 and hd7870 (closer to the hd7850) in performance.

 

[ViRGE]

I am not going to remove posts from this thread, but I have handed out several infractions. You all know how to behave, so if you can't do that then please stop posting. Otherwise if you continue to make jerks out of yourselves in this thread, I'm going to have to hand out more than infractions.

 

[RussianSensation]

so then is it okay when people here say AMD is faster when it comes to the 7970ghz vs the 680 but if its the 660ti > 7870 you are splitting hairs?

Your thoughts please..

Price/performance against the 7870 and lack of overclocked performance against the 7950 is why people are not having a favourable view of the 660Ti.

Gamers can now buy a quiet after-market HD7970 GE for $430 and a top-of-the line GTX680 Lightning matching Vapor-X for $450. Any 680s with quiet coolers that can touch that for $450 or less? I can't find any. Thus the 7970 GE easily offers slightly more performance for a cheaper price. The arguably superior MSI GTX680 Lightning costs $580, which is way above the Vapor-X's price and at that level it's possibly even competing against dual 7950s in CF.

HD7870 is going for $220-240 and the cheapest 660Ti is how much $290-300?

660Ti is overpriced for most people at current prices because:

1) For non-overclockers, the GTX660Ti provides only 9-10% more performance at 1080P, but carries with it a 25-35% higher premium over the 7870
2) For overclockers, the GTX660Ti gets nailed by after-market $310-320 MSI TF3, Gigabyte Windforce 3x, Sapphire 950mhz Dual X OC vs. OC.

We can't use BL2 since 7870/7950s come with Sleeping Dogs. No point in arguing which game is better (and also videocards will be used for many games down the line). 3GB versions of the 660Ti are going for $330-340, which makes them even worse value compared to 7950s.

660Ti needs to be $270-275 to be a viable contender in today's marketplace. In other words, 660Ti is in no man's land at $300 unless you absolutely have to have PhysX or 3D Vision. Furthermore, for anyone who wants an NV card specifically, it's better to wait for another deal on a $330 GTX670.

As tviceman added, the OEM version of the 660 actually appears to be superior. You can overclock these Kepler cards but you cannot add back missing units. The 660 version is even more cut-down compared to the 660Ti, which may not even allow it to beat a 7870. That's a pretty sad situation since the 7870 launched on March 5, 2012. I am not sure how NV is still afloat this round. If AMD launched its HD7000 series 6-8 months late, it would have been a market share slaughter by NV.

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Honestly, I can't wait until GTX700 series. GK110 is looking more promising every day based on new rumours. If NV can sell GTX660Ti level of GPU speed for $199 by Spring/Summer of next year, budget gamers will have a lot to look forward to. This generation was not a great generation for GTX560ti/6950/570 users to upgrade to.

 

[Hypertag]

We can't use BL2 since 7870/7950s come with Sleeping Dogs. No point in arguing which game is better (and also videocards will be used for many games down the line). 3GB versions of the 660Ti are going for $330-340, which makes them even worse value compared to 7950s.

Not that I actually agree with pretty much any of that rant, but objectively you can measure which "bonus" game is better. Check the ebay selling price of the game code. The monetary resell value should be "counted", right?

Edit: This deserves comment.

You can overclock these Kepler cards but you cannot add back missing units. The 660 version is even more cut-down compared to the 660Ti, which may not even allow it to beat a 7870. That's a pretty sad situation since the 7870 launched on March 5, 2012. I am not sure how NV is still afloat this round. If AMD launched its HD7000 series 6-8 months late, it would have been a market share slaughter by NV.

You have no idea how Nvidia is afloat this round? It has a cheaper to manufacture card that easily earned a 15% performance advantage in launch day reviews. Yes, after six months AMD finally released half decent drivers. That fact, combined with the inclusion of ultra-obscure games developed by AMD to run like crap on GK104, means the averages are closer now. As far as the 7850, the 7850 is the 6950. Subtract a few watts of power usage, and add 1% in performance. Nvidia competed with it with the GTX 570 for most of the 7850's lifespan, since the 7850 was overpriced. The 7870 has been an even bigger joke. AMD apparently didn't realize how to price that card until two/three weeks ago. It never deserved a $350 price tag, and it was still a joke at $300 since the 7950s fell so much. I will say, it is one hell of a card at $220. Too bad it sold out at that price.

Edit: To even elaborate further here, I'll explain how Nvidia "survived". The 7770 could barely be close to competitive with the 6850 after better drivers, yet it was initially priced to compete against the GTX 560 / 560 Ti. AMD also claimed that the 6850 and 6870 were "old" cards that had stopped being manufactured in 2012 (no, I didn't save that link). Even after a price cut to $140 from $170~, it was still extremely uncompelling. Although AMD's fanboys liked to say "HERE IS ONE GAME WHERE IS LOSES TO THE 6850 BY JUST 3%!", I don't see how that is compelling. At $100~ after rebate currently, it is at least around a fair price. It is a card barely faster than the 5770, and it should be priced like it. It will never be able to enter a new "class" of performance with 128-bit GDDR5 RAM and 16 ROPs. If AMD wanted a $160 card, then it should have made one that performed like it.

Between the $160 7770 that performed worse than the GTX 550 Ti most of the time, and the $250 7850 that performed worse than an unlocked 6950, Nvidia had 40nm cards. The GTX 560 / GTX 560 Ti could easily, easily compete with the 7770. The GTX 570 could easily perform far better than a stock 7850 for $250~ after rebate. There was a gap above that. That was solved with the 670/680. So basically, what compelling case was there for any of these AMD cards "at launch" except "take a $300 after market 7850, overclock it, and get performance around a GTX 580 with power usage around a 580 since you overvolted so much"? Even if you were a devout AMD fanboy, the 7950/7970 and 6850/6870 and discounted 6950 2GBs were far, far more compelling than AMD's launch on the low end.

So no, I give AMD no credit for launching early. If they want credit for it, they need to beat the previous node's competition. This isn't like 4870 versus 5770 due to DX10/DX11 differences (also note, 5770 prices did fall from their ludicrous rip-off launch prices quite quickly).