Ichinisan
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You. Right now. Watch EVERY Star Wars prequel review on RedLetterMedia.
Then be ashamed for publicly stating that you enjoy the prequels.
FYI: I used to be delusional too. After watching EP1, I didn't understand what was so bad about it. I will never watch ANY of the prequels again. Such a fucking waste of time...
CZroe
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Believe it or not, LaserDiscs are analog and NOT digital. In fact, the video natively composite, so even true S-video isn't possible. Combe filters and S-video are used anyway only to preserve the maximum video quality from a composite source that gets converted before it has the chance to really go anywhere. People sometimes gut the players for the high-quality filters. I just gave away two of the players yesterday.
CZroe
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Wrong. At no point did I say it was a fine solution. I said that it addresses his only point of argument but that he's still an idiot for even thinking it's a problem.
I'm laughing because he's been informed and STILL insists that there's a problem instead of learning something.
brblx
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i kind of assumed that was what you had in mind. but the way you posted does basically say 'if noise is a problem, use noise reduction' as well as 'noise reduction sucks.'
they aren't two exclusive statements, they just sound funny. frankly i feel the same way, things like noise reduction and sharpening filters usually just mess shit up.
they aren't two exclusive statements, they just sound funny. frankly i feel the same way, things like noise reduction and sharpening filters usually just mess shit up.
AyashiKaibutsu
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I will accept any set of changes if they include Christopher Walken in them. Emperor Walken ftw.
0roo0roo
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Dr. Zaus
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Anubis
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HendrixFan
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I was planning on doing edits to the prequals, as I had done for the DVDs. Looks like I might have to jimmy with the originals too.
HendrixFan
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The story is fine, the acting is actually better than the originals. The editing and pacing are atrocious though. Lucas' then-wife edited the originals and was a huge part of their success. I'm sure you have all seeing the behind the scenes doc showing how bad the first cut of the the first star wars was, and it took a real editor (his wife) to come in and clean it up and make it what it was. All the behind the scenes work for the prequals shows Lucas stopping by the editing room to jack things up.
Watch a good edit of the prequals and you will be amazed at the difference so many of the subtle things make. Just one example of a simple yet huge edit is from Attack of the Clones. After Mace Windu chops Jango Fett's head off it cuts to a horrified reaction by Dooku, then back to Mace looking up at him then looking down. Take the same scene, have Mace cut his head off, then reverse the shot to have him look up at Dooku, and then show Dooku's reaction. All the same footage, just in a different sequence and played part in reverse and the scene has a new dynamic. There are hundreds of moments like these.
This shows the edits I made for Clones, and if you zoom in with Sony Vegas on the timeline (can't for the jpg I know) you will see each cut on the timeline is actually multiple when zoomed in. Between audio cues, deleted scenes, deleting my own scenes, and small revisions that go a long way, I probably made at least 200 edits to this movie alone. The Phantom Menace needed even more work.
Ichinisan
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The story is fine, the acting is actually better than the originals. The editing and pacing are atrocious though. Lucas' then-wife edited the originals and was a huge part of their success. I'm sure you have all seeing the behind the scenes doc showing how bad the first cut of the the first star wars was, and it took a real editor (his wife) to come in and clean it up and make it what it was. All the behind the scenes work for the prequals shows Lucas stopping by the editing room to jack things up.
Watch a good edit of the prequals and you will be amazed at the difference so many of the subtle things make. Just one example of a simple yet huge edit is from Attack of the Clones. After Mace Windu chops Jango Fett's head off it cuts to a horrified reaction by Dooku, then back to Mace looking up at him then looking down. Take the same scene, have Mace cut his head off, then reverse the shot to have him look up at Dooku, and then show Dooku's reaction. All the same footage, just in a different sequence and played part in reverse and the scene has a new dynamic. There are hundreds of moments like these.
This shows the edits I made for Clones, and if you zoom in with Sony Vegas on the timeline (can't for the jpg I know) you will see each cut on the timeline is actually multiple when zoomed in. Between audio cues, deleted scenes, deleting my own scenes, and small revisions that go a long way, I probably made at least 200 edits to this movie alone. The Phantom Menace needed even more work.
Quoting before I finish reading in case you edit
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D: Holy fuck! If you think that garbage is worth any amount of effort to tweak, you are completely delusional.
...and learn how to spell "prequel."
Was there a cohesive story? Could you recap EP1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI#t=2m5s
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mmntech
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Plinkett is certainly spot on. There isn't a cohesive story in any of the prequels. It's like if you gave a five year old a ton of candy then asked them what should be in the movie.
Triumph
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Yes, I have them. They really don't look that great. On a tube TV they looked GREAT, blow them up on a 50" plasma and they don't look much better than VHS. They also aren't cleaned up the way Lucas did for the "original" re-releases in 1996/1997.
HendrixFan
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Quoting before I finish reading in case you edit
[edit]
D: Holy fuck! If you think that garbage is worth any amount of effort to tweak, you are completely delusional.
...and learn how to spell "prequel."
Was there a cohesive story? Could you recap EP1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI#t=2m5s
No edit needed, unlike the prequels
. I have seen all the Red Letter Media analysis, and you could tell by Episode 3 he had little to work with so he had more dungeon stuff going on and more nit-picking.Lucas is good at coming up with stories, but is poor in execution. Like anyone, he is better when others improve upon his work. In EP1, Anakin meets Padme and the soon to be Emperor seizes control of the Republic. Anything else is window dressing and can be trimmed down or changed without affecting those main storylines.
That is how editing works, not as they had talked about in the deleted scenes for the prequels. If you recall, they spent much of the time explaining that "this scene was cut because it didn't move the story". Alot of scenes in movies don't move the story, they develop characters or tension.
Lucas' biggest problem is script writing, he uses too much expositionary dialogue. Actually, he uses too much dialogue in general. "NOOOO" is a great example. "I failed you senator" from Clones is another. There just isn't a need for people to open their mouths to spit out Lucas dialogue. Thankfully editing can fix much of that problem.
zinfamous
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yep. there is no salvaging of story.
anakin/vader does not suddenly return to his previous status of badass evil jedi and erase his new prequel status of "child murderer" with a few simple edits.
zinfamous
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No edit needed, unlike the prequels
Lucas is good at coming up with stories, but is poor in execution. Like anyone, he is better when others improve upon his work. In EP1, Anakin meets Padme and the soon to be Emperor seizes control of the Republic. Anything else is window dressing and can be trimmed down or changed without affecting those main storylines.
That is how editing works, not as they had talked about in the deleted scenes for the prequels. If you recall, they spent much of the time explaining that "this scene was cut because it didn't move the story". Alot of scenes in movies don't move the story, they develop characters or tension.
Lucas' biggest problem is script writing, he uses too much expositionary dialogue. Actually, he uses too much dialogue in general. "NOOOO" is a great example. "I failed you senator" from Clones is another. There just isn't a need for people to open their mouths to spit out Lucas dialogue. Thankfully editing can fix much of that problem.
you are correct about all of this.
:thumbsup:
AnitaPeterson
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Yes. Actually, a guy has put together a rather wonderful "de-specialized" trilogy set in 720p, no less... And there's also the Adywan version, which, I believe, made it into Wired, last year.
I don't know why people would give him money anyway since he said he just didn't want to pony up the money to do a good transfer of the originals and that he felt the shitty edited transfer they did in the 90s is good enough (I believe he said good enough for about 2K so I wouldn't hold your breath that you'll get any better ones before 4K). But of course they will spend money to do 3D transfers of the shitty transfer to throw in theaters.
The guy is and basically always has been a money grubbing asshole more than anything. His reasoning for why Episodes I-III aren't shit is that kids that saw them first like them more than the originals. Anyone that knows how he made his money from the originals in the first place (toy licensing) should be able to tell what his end game is.
I wonder how long before he tries to get Pixar to CGI the whole thing but give everyone bobbleheads or some shit.
I take issue as Episode III might actually be the worst of the prequels because it completely ruins the Jedi and Vader. Yeah he was well on his way of ruining Vader before, but he completely did it with Episode III. Also, the Jedi were still fairly badass in I and II, but were just plain pathetic in III. They get totally wiped out in like 2 minutes.
The guy is and basically always has been a money grubbing asshole more than anything. His reasoning for why Episodes I-III aren't shit is that kids that saw them first like them more than the originals. Anyone that knows how he made his money from the originals in the first place (toy licensing) should be able to tell what his end game is.
I wonder how long before he tries to get Pixar to CGI the whole thing but give everyone bobbleheads or some shit.
I take issue as Episode III might actually be the worst of the prequels because it completely ruins the Jedi and Vader. Yeah he was well on his way of ruining Vader before, but he completely did it with Episode III. Also, the Jedi were still fairly badass in I and II, but were just plain pathetic in III. They get totally wiped out in like 2 minutes.
The Boston Dangler
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george lucas: the man that trolled the world
i salute you, george. don't never stop pissing people off.
i salute you, george. don't never stop pissing people off.
zinfamous
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zinfamous
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NO SHIT! episodes I and II were way, way worse over all. just dreadful, horrible, ridiculously bad film making. Episode III, in total was only terribly bad--but what happened to Darth Vader the child murderer....what the fuck.
and every Jedi getting ambushed and murdered by brain-dead storm troopers. what a crock of holy shit.
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