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George Lucas Must Be Stopped

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CZroe

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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AnitaPeterson said:
Yes. Actually, a guy has put together a rather wonderful "de-specialized" trilogy set in 720p, no less... And there's also the Adywan version, which, I believe, made it into Wired, last year.
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They couldn't be ripped digitally because they weren't digital. Also, just because the file resolution is 720P doesn't mean the movies are because LD is SD.

That's no more what he was asking for than the non-SE DVDs he officially made.
 
AnitaPeterson

AnitaPeterson

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CZroe said:
They couldn't be ripped digitally because they weren't digital. Also, just because the file resolution is 720P doesn't mean the movies are because LD is SD.

That's no more what he was asking for than the non-SE DVDs he officially made.
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You're wrong. And I'm not talking about rips, I'm talking about reconstruction. Because 90-95% of the footage already exists in HD, albeit in a modified form, and if you have a clean analog source to compare it with, and the kind of dedication that allows you to go over things frame by frame, you can restore the original video while starting from the Special Edition. And that's just for video - the audio is much simpler to restore. And for the exceptions where only the original footage would work (Han shoots Greedo, Anakin's head), there are programs (like Topaz) that are able to upconvert quite convincingly and effectively, for that small duration required.

Adywan already did a wonderful job with his Revisited edition, and he stated he'll do the same with 1080p sources, once they become available. Seriously, look into these things.... you might be surprised.
 
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Bird222

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CZroe said:
That's no more what he was asking for than the non-SE DVDs he officially made.
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Are you saying that there are some original DVD's that haven't been altered? I thought they were only on laserdisc.
 
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djnsmith7

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If this is true, & it appears as though it is, although I don't consider it to be 100% confirmed at this point, then it will probably ruin the movie for most.

Major WTF on Lucas' part. If true, it just goes to show he doesn't know jack s*** about his fan base.
 
AnitaPeterson

AnitaPeterson

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Bird222 said:
Are you saying that there are some original DVD's that haven't been altered? I thought they were only on laserdisc.
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Yes, there is a single official DVD edition of the original theatrical versions... This one: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Two-...5003408&sr=8-1

" * Disc 1:
* **Widescreen Feature (Enhanced Trilogy Version)
* **Commentary by George Lucas, Ben Burtt, Dennis Muren and Carrie Fisher
* **Easter Egg - Credit Roll
* Disc 2:
* **Widescreen Feature (For Both Versions Full Screen and Widescreen) - original theatrical movie version in dolby 2.0 surround
* **XBox Playable Game Demo
* **Lego Game Trailer"


I have this set (all three films), and the theatrical versions are just letterboxed, not anamorphically-enhanced.

As such, when I saw "Harmy's De-specialized Star Wars Theatrical Edition HD Deconstruction", I couldn't believe my eyes how good it looked.

Read about it yourselves: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/to...NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-see-1st-post/topic/12713/

The reconstruction is a fantastic job.
 
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JackBurton

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AnitaPeterson said:
Yes, there is a single official DVD edition of the original theatrical versions... This one: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Two-...5003408&sr=8-1

" * Disc 1:
* **Widescreen Feature (Enhanced Trilogy Version)
* **Commentary by George Lucas, Ben Burtt, Dennis Muren and Carrie Fisher
* **Easter Egg - Credit Roll
* Disc 2:
* **Widescreen Feature (For Both Versions Full Screen and Widescreen) - original theatrical movie version in dolby 2.0 surround
* **XBox Playable Game Demo
* **Lego Game Trailer"


I have this set (all three films), and the theatrical versions are just letterboxed, not anamorphically-enhanced.

As such, when I saw "Harmy's De-specialized Star Wars Theatrical Edition HD Deconstruction", I couldn't believe my eyes how good it looked.

Read about it yourselves: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/to...NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-see-1st-post/topic/12713/

The reconstruction is a fantastic job.
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Yes the original trilogy was made available on DVD, but it is not in its original aspect ratio. So yes, Lucas will find some way to fuck you over.
 
CZroe

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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AnitaPeterson said:
CZroe said:
AnitaPeterson said:
Bird222 said:
Forgive my ignorance here, but has anybody ripped the original laserdisc versions? Is there like a torrent of the original movies in digital format?
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Yes. Actually, a guy has put together a rather wonderful "de-specialized" trilogy set in 720p, no less... And there's also the Adywan version, which, I believe, made it into Wired, last year.
Click to expand...

They couldn't be ripped digitally because they weren't digital. Also, just because the file resolution is 720P doesn't mean the movies are because LD is SD.

That's no more what he was asking for than the non-SE DVDs he officially made.
Click to expand...

You're wrong. And I'm not talking about rips, I'm talking about reconstruction. Because 90-95% of the footage already exists in HD, albeit in a modified form, and if you have a clean analog source to compare it with, and the kind of dedication that allows you to go over things frame by frame, you can restore the original video while starting from the Special Edition. And that's just for video - the audio is much simpler to restore. And for the exceptions where only the original footage would work (Han shoots Greedo, Anakin's head), there are programs (like Topaz) that are able to upconvert quite convincingly and effectively, for that small duration required.

Adywan already did a wonderful job with his Revisited edition, and he stated he'll do the same with 1080p sources, once they become available. Seriously, look into these things.... you might be surprised.
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Quote tree helps. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, but the person asked if there were a digital LD rip. You said "yes," I corrected you. LD is not digital despite loowing like a large CD and being read with a laser also like a CD.
 
0roo0roo

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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AnitaPeterson said:
You're wrong. And I'm not talking about rips, I'm talking about reconstruction. Because 90-95% of the footage already exists in HD, albeit in a modified form, and if you have a clean analog source to compare it with, and the kind of dedication that allows you to go over things frame by frame, you can restore the original video while starting from the Special Edition. And that's just for video - the audio is much simpler to restore. And for the exceptions where only the original footage would work (Han shoots Greedo, Anakin's head), there are programs (like Topaz) that are able to upconvert quite convincingly and effectively, for that small duration required.

Adywan already did a wonderful job with his Revisited edition, and he stated he'll do the same with 1080p sources, once they become available. Seriously, look into these things.... you might be surprised.
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Eh I just know there are hdtv "rip" copies out there, special editions yes but not having that final nail in the coffin is enough
 
qliveur

qliveur

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Mar 25, 2007
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AnitaPeterson said:
Yes, there is a single official DVD edition of the original theatrical versions... This one: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Two-...5003408&sr=8-1

" * Disc 1:
* **Widescreen Feature (Enhanced Trilogy Version)
* **Commentary by George Lucas, Ben Burtt, Dennis Muren and Carrie Fisher
* **Easter Egg - Credit Roll
* Disc 2:
* **Widescreen Feature (For Both Versions Full Screen and Widescreen) - original theatrical movie version in dolby 2.0 surround
* **XBox Playable Game Demo
* **Lego Game Trailer"


I have this set (all three films), and the theatrical versions are just letterboxed, not anamorphically-enhanced.

As such, when I saw "Harmy's De-specialized Star Wars Theatrical Edition HD Deconstruction", I couldn't believe my eyes how good it looked.

Read about it yourselves: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/to...NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-see-1st-post/topic/12713/

The reconstruction is a fantastic job.
Click to expand...
The beauty of it is that the wonderful people over at originaltrilogy.com now have a true 1080p source with which to work their magic, so, in the end, George's latest antics are of little consequence.
 
Ichinisan

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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I don't understand why someone can't grab a 35mm reel and jam it into a telecine machine.

What's stopping people from doing that?

They could make a 4k transfer if they wanted to.
 
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mmntech

mmntech

Lifer
Sep 20, 2007
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Ichinisan said:
I don't understand why someone can't grab a 35mm reel and jam it into a telecine machine.

What's stopping people from doing that?

They could make a 4k transfer if they wanted to.
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Film stock degrades over time. Maybe the quality on the theatrical releases isn't so great anymore. It also depends on how many are actually still in the wild, and whether their owner's are willing to do it.

The real questions is why Lucas is so dead set against people seeing the original theatrical versions. Publish both and let people pick which ones they like better, like Spielberg did with ET.

Speaking of which, this quote from GL's bearded partner in crime is rather poignant.
there's going to be no more digital enhancements or digital additions to anything based on any film I direct.... When people ask me which E.T. they should look at, I always tell them to look at the original 1982 E.T. If you notice, when we did put out E.T. we put out two E.T.s. We put out the digitally enhanced version with the additional scenes and for no extra money, in the same package, we put out the original ‘82 version. I always tell people to go back to the ’82 version.
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qliveur

qliveur

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Mar 25, 2007
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Ichinisan said:
I don't understand why someone can't grab a 35mm reel and jam it into a telecine machine.

What's stopping people from doing that?

They could make a 4k transfer if they wanted to.
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I'm also surprised that someone hasn't done this yet.
 
Aikouka

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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UberNeuman said:
George Lucas finds time for other pursuits....

\luvs me some RedLetterMedia....
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I usually have no problem agreeing with Plinkett, but he tends to review awful movies anyway. The "Half in the Bag" segment seems to be... well, pretty half-assed if anything. While I do sometimes agree with their assessments, the largest problem I find is that they are constantly spouting off incorrect statements (plot points, understandings, etc) about the movie in question.

Rather disappointing. :\
 
qliveur

qliveur

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Mar 25, 2007
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OK, for people of my generation:

This is awesome.

Just. Fucking. Awesome. Yes. I'm. Drunk. Fuck. George. Lucas.
 
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