General Petraeus Would Rather Betray Us Than Tell Us The Truth, After All.

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Then why is it that you and your buddies call anyone that is not in the military but supports this war chickenhawks, keyboard commandos, etc....?

When those same chickenhawks are the architects of a war based entirely on LIES, and thousands of Americans to die for those lies, and those same architects actively ducked military service, it's fair to ask why they were never willing to take the same risks and make the same sacrifices.

WW II is all the proof you need to know there are legitimate reasons for taking a nation to war. The Bushwhackos' lies aren't among them.

Harvey, you have accused people on this forum of being keyboard commandos, chickenhawks, or whatever term you felt like using at the time. You have constantly asked people why they aren't over there fighting if they believe in this war.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Harvey, is it your contention that only the people that actually serve in the military can be in favor of a war?

Of course, not. I didn't raise the issue. nick1985 did when he demeaned my service because I was in the National Guard... and he couldn't even get that right. It was the Reseves.

AFIC, that makes it fair to ask what HE's done that qualifies him to question the value of anyone else's service in any branch.

Well 'Harv, I knew you were Reserves, saying National Guard Reserves was a joke since there is no such thing.

Anyway about myself, since you seem so interested:

I just graduated college this June, and am currently in the application process for the United States Marine Corps Officer Candidate School. Application to OCS requires a 4 year degree, so saying I could have served before doesnt really hold weight (in case you were going to make that argument). If I am fortunate enough to make it through OCS, I will be an active duty USMC officer.

My MOS you ask?

Infantry.


Say I think its fair to say that you can take your chickenhawk BS rhetoric and shove it.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: nick1985
My MOS you ask?

Infantry.

In all fairness, I believe your MOS is TBD.

But GJ on the career choice! Cheers! :beer:

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: nick1985
My MOS you ask?

Infantry.

In all fairness, I believe your MOS is TBD.

But GJ on the career choice! Cheers! :beer:

True, you make a list of your top 5 MOS choices and there is a 95% chance you will get one of them. However, infantry is not a highly picked MOS and you are almost garunteed to get it if requested as #1.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: nick1985
My MOS you ask?

Infantry.

In all fairness, I believe your MOS is TBD.

But GJ on the career choice! Cheers! :beer:

True, you make a list of your top 5 MOS choices and there is a 95% chance you will get one of them. However, infantry is not a highly picked MOS and you are almost garunteed to get it if requested as #1.

Just make sure you're smart about it and do a branch transfer to Intel or Aviation down the road. I did my infantry time and loved it!... but it won't really pay the bills if/when you get out.

GL jarhead!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Harvey, is it your contention that only the people that actually serve in the military can be in favor of a war?

Of course, not. I didn't raise the issue. nick1985 did when he demeaned my service because I was in the National Guard... and he couldn't even get that right. It was the Reseves.

AFIC, that makes it fair to ask what HE's done that qualifies him to question the value of anyone else's service in any branch.

Well 'Harv, I knew you were Reserves, saying National Guard Reserves was a joke since there is no such thing.

Anyway about myself, since you seem so interested:

I just graduated college this June, and am currently in the application process for the United States Marine Corps Officer Candidate School. Application to OCS requires a 4 year degree, so saying I could have served before doesnt really hold weight (in case you were going to make that argument). If I am fortunate enough to make it through OCS, I will be an active duty USMC officer.

My MOS you ask?

Infantry.


Say I think its fair to say that you can take your chickenhawk BS rhetoric and shove it.

No, it's not fair, at all. In fact, you seemt to expect us to know that, even though you didn't reply to my either of my requests for that kind of info until now. That calls your both your judgment and your personal integrity into question.

I hope you learn something about those traits in OCS. Otherwise, having you as an officer is negative points for the Marines.

As for choosing infantry as your MOS, the good news for the Marines is, you didn't choose some tech MOS that requires more brain power. Otherwise, you'd be shooting blanks. :laugh:

OTOH, if you ever do ho into combat on behalf of the nation, I hope that, unlike the war in Iraq, it's for a just cause, and I wish you safe a return.

 

[theeedude]

The only way I'd believe Petraeus testimony is if he resigned before testifying. We've had too many generals and officials carry lies for this administration only to speak out after leaving office.
Petraeus will report what he's ordered to report, I don't blame him, but I am not going to believe him. Powell 2.0

 

[XMan]

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://) was chosen and the assessment team is headed by Gen. Jones, former commandant of the Marine Corps. That report is mandated to be delivered 120 days after the law was passed (it was passed on May 25th) and is thus due near the end of September.

]http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=6764">(B) The President, having consulted with the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, the Commander, Multi-National Forces-Iraq, the United States Ambassador to Iraq, and the Commander of U.S. Central Command, will prepare the report and submit the report to Congress.

...

The law also mandates two other reports. The first is an independent assessment by the Comptroller General that addresses the benchmarks as well. That, by law, is to be submitted near the 1st of the month (September).

Then there is a completely independent assessment required by the law to be made by an appropriate outside entity with the the knowledge and expertise to make such an assessment. The Center for Strategic and International Studies (a 501c3 organization [think tank</a>

Of course, if Bush was not following the requirements passed by Congress, we'd be hearing cries about how he feels he's above the law. Gotta love being able to complain no matter what.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Harvey, is it your contention that only the people that actually serve in the military can be in favor of a war?

Of course, not. I didn't raise the issue. nick1985 did when he demeaned my service because I was in the National Guard... and he couldn't even get that right. It was the Reseves.

AFIC, that makes it fair to ask what HE's done that qualifies him to question the value of anyone else's service in any branch.

Well 'Harv, I knew you were Reserves, saying National Guard Reserves was a joke since there is no such thing.

Anyway about myself, since you seem so interested:

I just graduated college this June, and am currently in the application process for the United States Marine Corps Officer Candidate School. Application to OCS requires a 4 year degree, so saying I could have served before doesnt really hold weight (in case you were going to make that argument). If I am fortunate enough to make it through OCS, I will be an active duty USMC officer.

My MOS you ask?

Infantry.


Say I think its fair to say that you can take your chickenhawk BS rhetoric and shove it.

No, it's not fair, at all. In fact, you seemt to expect us to know that, even though you didn't reply to my either of my requests for that kind of info until now. That calls your both your judgment and your personal integrity into question.

I hope you learn something about those traits in OCS. Otherwise, having you as an officer is negative points for the Marines.

As for choosing infantry as your MOS, the good news for the Marines is, you didn't choose some tech MOS that requires more brain power. Otherwise, you'd be shooting blanks. :laugh:

OTOH, if you ever do ho into combat on behalf of the nation, I hope that, unlike the war in Iraq, it's for a just cause, and I wish you safe a return.

Well since you want to call my judgement and personal integrity into question....Allow me to retort.


The reason why, Harvey, is that I have posted this on more than one occasion (including P&N), and I did not feel the need to post something that has been posted several times. Thanks for insulting me, and the Marines because of your *gasp* rush to judgement. You truley are a stand-up fellow. :thumbsup:

And to be honest, this post has pissed me off more than any other post in a LONG time. If this does not qualify as a personal attack, then Christ I dont know what is.


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Also hilarious that you are calling my intelligence into question when your post has several spelling errors. /shrug.

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Thats why I didn't feel the need to map out my life for you Harvey, I have mentioned it several times. Twice in P&N even...

Maybe I should stoop to your level and claim maybe the reason why you did not know this already is because you are not intelligent enough to read...Nah, Im a LITTLE more mature than that.

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More threads where I mention my plans

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Satisfied Harvey? As a Senior Moderator you SURELY must have seen at least one of those...

 

[chucky2]

Nick, Nick, Nick...

...the reason you're having problems with Harvey is because you're not using the Emoticon Trifecta (H). <- Yes, that's an (H) not an (TM)

You need to put that in there or Harvey goes into his insane ranting mode about Bush, lies, war, aliens, etc. If you let him go too far, it's probable he'll start blaming things like the Titanic sinking, Hurricane Rita, and possibly even why Orville and Wright's airplane wasn't rocket powered....all on "Bush&Co"!

Really though, it's good he uses the Emoticon Trifecta, as it usually denotes the end of his posts well, that way as your eyes are scrolling down a thread an you hit Harvey, you just usually can skip to right past the Emoticon Trifecta and start reading again...makes it much easier.

:thumbsup:

Chuck

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: chucky2
Nick, Nick, Nick...

...the reason you're having problems with Harvey is because you're not using the Emoticon Trifecta (H). <- Yes, that's an (H) not an (TM)

You need to put that in there or Harvey goes into his insane ranting mode about Bush, lies, war, aliens, etc. If you let him go too far, it's probable he'll start blaming things like the Titanic sinking, Hurricane Rita, and possibly even why Orville and Wright's airplane wasn't rocket powered....all on "Bush&Co"!

Really though, it's good he uses the Emoticon Trifecta, as it usually denotes the end of his posts well, that way as your eyes are scrolling down a thread an you hit Harvey, you just usually can skip to right past the Emoticon Trifecta and start reading again...makes it much easier.

:thumbsup:

Chuck

Interesting practice

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Harvey, is it your contention that only the people that actually serve in the military can be in favor of a war?

Of course, not. I didn't raise the issue. nick1985 did when he demeaned my service because I was in the National Guard... and he couldn't even get that right. It was the Reseves.

AFIC, that makes it fair to ask what HE's done that qualifies him to question the value of anyone else's service in any branch.

Well 'Harv, I knew you were Reserves, saying National Guard Reserves was a joke since there is no such thing.

Anyway about myself, since you seem so interested:

I just graduated college this June, and am currently in the application process for the United States Marine Corps Officer Candidate School. Application to OCS requires a 4 year degree, so saying I could have served before doesnt really hold weight (in case you were going to make that argument). If I am fortunate enough to make it through OCS, I will be an active duty USMC officer.

My MOS you ask?

Infantry.


Say I think its fair to say that you can take your chickenhawk BS rhetoric and shove it.

No, it's not fair, at all. In fact, you seemt to expect us to know that, even though you didn't reply to my either of my requests for that kind of info until now. That calls your both your judgment and your personal integrity into question.

I hope you learn something about those traits in OCS. Otherwise, having you as an officer is negative points for the Marines.

As for choosing infantry as your MOS, the good news for the Marines is, you didn't choose some tech MOS that requires more brain power. Otherwise, you'd be shooting blanks. :laugh:

OTOH, if you ever do ho into combat on behalf of the nation, I hope that, unlike the war in Iraq, it's for a just cause, and I wish you safe a return.

Well since you want to call my judgement and personal integrity into question....Allow me to retort.


The reason why, Harvey, is that I have posted this on more than one occasion (including P&N), and I did not feel the need to post something that has been posted several times. Thanks for insulting me, and the Marines because of your *gasp* rush to judgement. You truley are a stand-up fellow. :thumbsup:

And to be honest, this post has pissed me off more than any other post in a LONG time. If this does not qualify as a personal attack, then Christ I dont know what is.


**edit**

Also hilarious that you are calling my intelligence into question when your post has several spelling errors. /shrug.

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Thats why I didn't feel the need to map out my life for you Harvey, I have mentioned it several times. Twice in P&N even...

Maybe I should stoop to your level and claim maybe the reason why you did not know this already is because you are not intelligent enough to read...Nah, Im a LITTLE more mature than that.

I nominate this for ownage thread of the year!

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Then why is it that you and your buddies call anyone that is not in the military but supports this war chickenhawks, keyboard commandos, etc....?

When those same chickenhawks are the architects of a war based entirely on LIES, and thousands of Americans to die for those lies, and those same architects actively ducked military service, it's fair to ask why they were never willing to take the same risks and make the same sacrifices.

WW II is all the proof you need to know there are legitimate reasons for taking a nation to war. The Bushwhackos' lies aren't among them.

Harvey, you have accused people on this forum of being keyboard commandos, chickenhawks, or whatever term you felt like using at the time. You have constantly asked people why they aren't over there fighting if they believe in this war.

***crickets***

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Harvey, is it your contention that only the people that actually serve in the military can be in favor of a war?

Of course, not. I didn't raise the issue. nick1985 did when he demeaned my service because I was in the National Guard... and he couldn't even get that right. It was the Reseves.

AFIC, that makes it fair to ask what HE's done that qualifies him to question the value of anyone else's service in any branch.

Well 'Harv, I knew you were Reserves, saying National Guard Reserves was a joke since there is no such thing.

Anyway about myself, since you seem so interested:

I just graduated college this June, and am currently in the application process for the United States Marine Corps Officer Candidate School. Application to OCS requires a 4 year degree, so saying I could have served before doesnt really hold weight (in case you were going to make that argument). If I am fortunate enough to make it through OCS, I will be an active duty USMC officer.

My MOS you ask?

Infantry.


Say I think its fair to say that you can take your chickenhawk BS rhetoric and shove it.

No, it's not fair, at all. In fact, you seemt to expect us to know that, even though you didn't reply to my either of my requests for that kind of info until now. That calls your both your judgment and your personal integrity into question.

I hope you learn something about those traits in OCS. Otherwise, having you as an officer is negative points for the Marines.

As for choosing infantry as your MOS, the good news for the Marines is, you didn't choose some tech MOS that requires more brain power. Otherwise, you'd be shooting blanks. :laugh:

OTOH, if you ever do ho into combat on behalf of the nation, I hope that, unlike the war in Iraq, it's for a just cause, and I wish you safe a return.

Well since you want to call my judgement and personal integrity into question....Allow me to retort.


The reason why, Harvey, is that I have posted this on more than one occasion (including P&N), and I did not feel the need to post something that has been posted several times. Thanks for insulting me, and the Marines because of your *gasp* rush to judgement. You truley are a stand-up fellow. :thumbsup:

And to be honest, this post has pissed me off more than any other post in a LONG time. If this does not qualify as a personal attack, then Christ I dont know what is.


**edit**

Also hilarious that you are calling my intelligence into question when your post has several spelling errors. /shrug.

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Thats why I didn't feel the need to map out my life for you Harvey, I have mentioned it several times. Twice in P&N even...

Maybe I should stoop to your level and claim maybe the reason why you did not know this already is because you are not intelligent enough to read...Nah, Im a LITTLE more mature than that.

I nominate this for ownage thread of the year!

:beer:

I edited my post, now includes more ownage

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: nick1985I edited my post, now includes more ownage

"Ownage"???? Bullshit! It's not even rentage. You posted links to eight threads, five of which are in OT, one in FI, and two in P&N, and I wasn't in any of them.

We both know where each other's basic political orientation. I wouldn't bother wasting the time to read any of your posts unless I happen to be replying to them in a particular thread, and I'm certainly not obligated to go dumpster diving for them in OT.

I'll remind you yet again, YOU are the one who demeaned my service because it was in the U.S. Army Reserves, and I asked you what qualified you to put me, or ANYONE, down because they served in the Reserves. Hell! palehorse74 is on your side of the political stream, and even he posted to acknowledge the value that service.

I had no reason to know you're going to Marine OCS, and you didn't manage to say anything about it until after I directly asked you for that info in THIS thread... TWICE!

So now I know you're a Marine who doesn't respect other legitimate forms of service. Forget about the fact that it was in 1962, the last time the country was drowning in the quagmire of a war based on our leaders' LIES in Vietnam.

That's when your Chickenhawk In Chief DUCKED OUT of combat by failing to fulfill HIS commitment to remain flight qualified in the U.S. Air Force Reserves. :shocked:

As of 8/30/07 12:08 pm EDT, 3,735 American troops have died for their lies, tens of thousands more are wounded, scarred and disabled for life?

That's two more dead since yesterday. Since you think so little of the Reserves and the Guard, I'll ask you again to tell the friends and families of all those who happened to be in those branches of the service how much less dead and wounded they are than their full time brethren.

You embarrass yourself and the entire U.S. Marine Corps. :thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: JD50

Harvey, you have accused people on this forum of being keyboard commandos, chickenhawks, or whatever term you felt like using at the time. You have constantly asked people why they aren't over there fighting if they believe in this war.

***crickets***

Those aren't crickets. That sound you hear is the farts accompanying all that smoke you're blowing out your ass. :laugh:

I find it hard to believe that you're so mouse challenged that you couldn't find the answer I posted TWICE to that issue so here it is yet again.

I was in the U.S. Army Reserves from 1962 - 1968. I was subject to being called to active duty for that entire time, and the only reason I didn't go to Vietnam was because my commitment was up, and I was honorably discharged several months before my unit was activated. Had I enlisted a few months later, I would have been there with them.

Now, since I don't know your service history, I'll ask you what qualifies you as anything more than a "keyboard commando, chickenhawks, or whatever term you feel like using?"

You can answer the question, or you can dodge it and fart out some more cricket sounds. If you've been in any branch of the service, you deserve the same thanks as anyone else for it. If not, it's your turn to explain to why you're NOT just one more pissant little chickenhawk who's more than willing to spill OTHER people's blood? :roll:

Either way, I don't owe you jack shit.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: JD50

Harvey, you have accused people on this forum of being keyboard commandos, chickenhawks, or whatever term you felt like using at the time. You have constantly asked people why they aren't over there fighting if they believe in this war.

***crickets***

Those aren't crickets. That sound you hear is the farts accompanying all that smoke you're blowing out your ass. :laugh:

I find it hard to believe that you're so mouse challenged that you couldn't find the answer I posted TWICE to that issue so here it is yet again.

I was in the U.S. Army Reserves from 1962 - 1968. I was subject to being called to active duty for that entire time, and the only reason I didn't go to Vietnam was because my commitment was up, and I was honorably discharged several months before my unit was activated. Had I enlisted a few months later, I would have been there with them.

Now, since I don't know your service history, I'll ask you what qualifies you as anything more than a "keyboard commando, chickenhawks, or whatever term you feel like using?"

You can answer the question, or you can dodge it and fart out some more cricket sounds. If you've been in any branch of the service, you deserve the same thanks as anyone else for it. If not, it's your turn to explain to why you're NOT just one more pissant little chickenhawk who's more than willing to spill OTHER people's blood? :roll:

Either way, I don't owe you jack shit.

Whats it like going through life being so goddamned stupid? The whole reason I asked you "Harvey, is it your contention that only the people that actually serve in the military can be in favor of a war?" and you said "Of course, not". Now you go off on another of one of your retarded ass rants about chickenhawks blah blah blah.

Our whole country is based around civilians controlling the military, I guess you'd rather have it the other way. This keyboard commando bullshit is getting old. I was a police officer for three years but you don't see me going around criticizing anyone that is against crime but is not willing to go out there and enforce the laws themself.

Even though its absolutely none of your business, I joined the Navy when I turned 18, went to bootcamp, got discharged at the end of bootcamp due to mild color blindness that kept me from doing the job that I signed up to do. I have found other ways to contribute to this country, 3 years being a cop, and other things since then that I'm not going to discuss.

So whoopdie doo for you, you spent some time in the reserves with thumb up your ass while everyone else went to war, I spent 3 years actually doing something, putting my life on the line every day, protecting people that can't protect themselves. I find it a little odd that you went into the reserves while everyone else got drafted, but its really none of my business so I'm not going to question that. Stop being such a fvking dick. I asked you a valid question which you answered then went on to contradict yourself and went off on your idiotic rants.

Can you answer just one question? If you really do think that its ok for someone to be for a war but not be serving in the military, why do you call everyone here that is for the war a keyboard commando or chickenhawk?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: nick1985I edited my post, now includes more ownage

We both know where each other's basic political orientation. I wouldn't bother wasting the time to read any of your posts unless I happen to be replying to them in a particular thread, and I'm certainly not obligated to go dumpster diving for them in OT.


I had no reason to know you're going to Marine OCS, and you didn't manage to say anything about it until after I directly asked you for that info in THIS thread... TWICE!

So are you saying that you dont bother to read posts from people you normally disagree with? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isnt the job of a senior moderator to moderate ALL posts, not just cherry-pick the ones they want to check?

 

[JD50]

I'd edit that, you're gonna get banned again for calling out a mod.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50

Whats it like going through life being so goddamned stupid?

I wouldn't know. Ask an expert like the guy you see next time you look in the mirror. :laugh:

The whole reason I asked you "Harvey, is it your contention that only the people that actually serve in the military can be in favor of a war?" and you said "Of course, not". Now you go off on another of one of your retarded ass rants about chickenhawks blah blah blah.

Are you having fun derailing the topic of the thread to continue your circular attacks on me? :roll:

This keyboard commando bullshit is getting old. I was a police officer for three years but you don't see me going around criticizing anyone that is against crime but is not willing to go out there and enforce the laws themself.

Even though its absolutely none of your business, I joined the Navy when I turned 18, went to bootcamp, got discharged at the end of bootcamp due to mild color blindness that kept me from doing the job that I signed up to do. I have found other ways to contribute to this country, 3 years being a cop, and other things since then that I'm not going to discuss.

Congratulations, and thanks for your service. I really don't give a damn about your opinion of my Reserve duty 40 years ago. It's what I did, then. If you don't like it, you can always tell us how you'd expect me to change it.

Our whole country is based around civilians controlling the military, I guess you'd rather have it the other way.

Care to provide some links and quotes where I said that? Actually, I'd rather have the civilians who are supposed to be controlling the military doing something other than disgracing the nation by abusing both their civilian and military authority to shred the U.S. Constitution while killing thousands of American troops in their war of LIES.

So whoopdie doo for you, you spent some time in the reserves with thumb up your ass while everyone else went to war, I spent 3 years actually doing something, putting my life on the line every day, protecting people that can't protect themselves.

So now, it's back to demeaning those whose service doesn't meet your personal standards. That's worth a hearty FOAD, PUTZ!

Can you answer just one question? If you really do think that its ok for someone to be for a war but not be serving in the military, why do you call everyone here that is for the war a keyboard commando or chickenhawk?

You really need to do something about your short term memory problem. :shocked: Take my hand as I walk you through it yet again... I didn't raise the subject until nick1985 attacked me and questioned the value of my service in the U.S. Army Reserves. Then, I asked what qualified him to criticize it. Under the circumstances, it was a fair question, which he ducked until I repeated it.

So, he finally posted that he's going to Marine OCS. To use your terms, whoopdie doo for him. He could have simply answered the question, just as you did, and we would have moved on.

It's also fair to raise the question about the Chickenhawk In Chief and the rest of the administration armchair warriors since they're the ones who actually wasted so much of OTHER people's blood.

Originally posted by: nick1985

So are you saying that you dont bother to read posts from people you normally disagree with? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isnt the job of a senior moderator to moderate ALL posts, not just cherry-pick the ones they want to check?

You're joking, right? You are wrong, and you are NOT excused because your premise is so ridiculous. As I logged on, the total number of registered accounts was 167,438 with 504 members logged on. We have 400 - 800 online 24/7, and even with all mods online around the clock and frequenting all of our forums, there's no way we could monitor every post by every member, let alone any one mod.

We post like any other member. We deal with the problems we find and those that are reported to us by other members. In your case, your opinion is so uninformed, unintersting and usually so dead ass wrong that the only time I'd read anything you said would be in threads where I'm interested in the topic or in posts by those I actually respect.

Now, can we drop this side crap and get back to discussing the topic?

 

[JD50]

Harvey, you are still dodging my question. I am not asking you because of this thread, I don't think anyones service is anyone elses business, but I understand why Nick brought it up. I'm asking you in general, why do you constantly call those that don't serve keyboard commandos and chickenhawks, when you even said that its ok for for someone that is not in the military to be in favor of a war? Again, I'm not talking about what went on in this thread, I'm talking about what you do everyday on this board.

BTW, I wasn't trying to demean yours or anyone elses service, but when you go on insulting everyone that has not served in the military but is in favor of a war, you are inviting that kind of criticism.

 

[chucky2]

Lets get back on topic people or I'm gonna close this down...



Chuck

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
Harvey, you are still dodging my question. I am not asking you because of this thread, I don't think anyones service is anyone elses business, but I understand why Nick brought it up. I'm asking you in general, why do you constantly call those that don't serve keyboard commandos and chickenhawks, when you even said that its ok for for someone that is not in the military to be in favor of a war?

1. I don't believe I've ever used the term, keyboard commandos until I quoted you in my multiple replies to your question in this thread. In fact, I'd never heard the term used to mean the same as chickenhawk until you used it that way.

2. I've referred to members of the Bushwhacko administration as chickenhawks because they are:

George W. Bush - ducked combat by failing to report for his required flight qualification.
Dick Cheney - applied for and received five draft deferments.
Richard Perle - no military service
Elliott Abrams - no military service
Paul Wolfowitz - no military service
Karl Rove - no military service

None of these administration members who have so willingly and wantonly squandered the blood, lives and fortunes of OTHER Americans ever put themselves or any members of their families remotely close to harm's way in the service of our nation.

Anyone who has the actual power to influence policies that send others to die had better be right, and they'd better be honest with those they send to die. The Bushwhackos are have been neither. That makes questioning their understanding of the consequenses of war not only right but manditory.

There have been a specific threads where I've called another member a chickenhawk. You're welcome to search my posts and report back how many times I've called a member chickenhawk where it wasn't in response to a post that legitimately raised the issue. Should I post a few * crickets * while we wait:

Nick earned it by demeaning my service without being willing to disclose his own. When he finally did, the "chickenhawk" question was past, but he was still wrong to put anyone down because they served in the Reserves.

That is my answer. If you don't like it, tough. Asking again won't change it.

Originally posted by: chucky2
Lets get back on topic people or I'm gonna close this down...



Chuck

Good idea, Chuck. :beer:

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Harvey, you are still dodging my question. I am not asking you because of this thread, I don't think anyones service is anyone elses business, but I understand why Nick brought it up. I'm asking you in general, why do you constantly call those that don't serve keyboard commandos and chickenhawks, when you even said that its ok for for someone that is not in the military to be in favor of a war?

1. I don't believe I've ever used the term, keyboard commandos until I quoted you in my multiple replies to your question in this thread. In fact, I'd never heard the term used to mean the same as chickenhawk until you used it that way.

2. I've referred to members of the Bushwhacko administration as chickenhawks because they are:

George W. Bush - ducked combat by failing to report for his required flight qualification.
Dick Cheney - applied for and received five draft deferments.
Richard Perle - no military service
Elliott Abrams - no military service
Paul Wolfowitz - no military service
Karl Rove - no military service

None of these administration members who have so willingly and wantonly squandered the blood, lives and fortunes of OTHER Americans ever put themselves or any members of their families remotely close to harm's way in the service of our nation.

Anyone who has the actual power to influence policies that send others to die had better be right, and they'd better be honest with those they send to die. The Bushwhackos are have been neither. That makes questioning their understanding of the consequenses of war not only right but manditory.

There have been a specific threads where I've called another member a chickenhawk. You're welcome to search my posts and report back how I've called chickenhawk and how many times I've done it where it wasn't in response to a that legitimately raised the issue. Should I post a few * crickets * while we wait:

Nick earned it by demeaning my service without being willing to disclose his own. When he finally did, the "chickenhawk" question was past, but he was still wrong to put anyone down because they served in the Reserves.

That is my answer. If you don't like it, tough. Asking again won't change it.

Originally posted by: chucky2
Lets get back on topic people or I'm gonna close this down...



Chuck

Good idea, Chuck. :beer:

I said it before in this thread, but it seems you didn't read that post either so Ill say it again. Like JD50 has said, you have no problem talking down to people who havn't served. It is crazy to openly bash so many people for taking a different route in life. I have no problem with the Guard or the Reserves, I was calling you out to ruffle your feathers so you could see what its like when you talk down to others about their service, or lack thereof. Doesnt feel so good does it?

Time to cut out the chickenhawk crap imo.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: nick1985
I said it before in this thread, but it seems you didn't read that post either so Ill say it again. Like JD50 has said, you have no problem talking down to people who havn't served.

Same suggestion I posed to JD50. Search my posts and report back how many times I've called a member chickenhawk where it wasn't in response to a post that legitimately raised the issue.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Search my posts

I'd rather kiss a toilet seat.