Garage/workshop build (lots of images)

[fstime]

What is with all the cheap particle board? I( have even seen new houses where they use that for the subfloor, forget that.


I thought they always used plywood at least for the roof, I wouldn't use that stuff.

 

[JCH13]

I've never done it before so I have no idea what the accepted method is.

Laying drywall out like this, just helps keeps seams a little straighter. It's nice, and helps, but is not required.

 

[sgrinavi]

What is with all the cheap particle board? I( have even seen new houses where they use that for the subfloor, forget that.


I thought they always used plywood at least for the roof, I wouldn't use that stuff.

Why? OSB is about half the price of plywood, is easier to walk on (if you install the rough side up) and sometimes it even has lines on it marking your framing.

Laying drywall out like this, just helps keeps seams a little straighter. It's nice, and helps, but is not required.

Great advice, also you normally do your ceiling first, your top sheet second and your bottom sheet(s) last.

 

[Zargon]

^^ what he said


plywood is EXPENSIVE

 

[JCH13]

Plywood also burns. Drywall is used to make fire-resistant walls.

Just sayin'

 

[Eos]

What is with all the cheap particle board? I( have even seen new houses where they use that for the subfloor, forget that.


I thought they always used plywood at least for the roof, I wouldn't use that stuff.

At least get your terms correct before asking questions.

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/osb-vs-particleboard

Around here:

7/16x4/x8 OSB is ~$15/sheet.
15/32x4x8 plywood is ~$22/sheet.
1/2x4x8 particleboard is ~$10/sheet.

They all have their own strengths and weaknesses.

 

[franksta]

At least get your terms correct before asking questions.

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/osb-vs-particleboard

Around here:

7/16x4/x8 OSB is ~$15/sheet.
15/32x4x8 plywood is ~$22/sheet.
1/2x4x8 particleboard is ~$10/sheet.

They all have their own strengths and weaknesses.

I bought 1/2" thick 4'x12' drywall sheets and they were about $13

 

[sdifox]

Why? OSB is about half the price of plywood, is easier to walk on (if you install the rough side up) and sometimes it even has lines on it marking your framing.



Great advice, also you normally do your ceiling first, your top sheet second and your bottom sheet(s) last.

OSB has no strength. They will sag like crazy.

 

[Zargon]

why are people even talking about drywall related to that comment? you would never use it to sheath an exterior wall or roof.

OSB is fine if you follow coding requirements for it

I use it for shelving all the time

whenever the PO of my house had my roof repaired the cheap ass he had do it used OSB. Id rather have plywood because its stronger, but the OSB has been fine, as long as it never gets wet

if it does, I have bigger issues anyways

I bought 1/2" thick 4'x12' drywall sheets and they were about $13

damn. was that delivered? thats pretty expensive for where I live, I pay less than that for the green/blue board thats for damp environments(bathrooms, basements etc)

I want to say they are around 10 and the regular is 7-8, so I almost always buy the green/blue stuff

Laying drywall out like this, just helps keeps seams a little straighter. It's nice, and helps, but is not required.

the joints are a weak point, staggering them makes them 'stronger' if one joint starts to crack it wont run down multiple sheets ETC

same principle for installing wood flooring

 

[franksta]

damn. was that delivered? thats pretty expensive for where I live, I pay less than that for the green/blue board thats for damp environments(bathrooms, basements etc)

I want to say they are around 10 and the regular is 7-8, so I almost always buy the green/blue stuff

Unfortunately not. My father-in-law brought a trailer that we used to haul them. The 4'x8's were $9 I think. There's no money to be saved but it did mean fewer boards I need to deal with.

 

[sgrinavi]

At least get your terms correct before asking questions.

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/osb-vs-particleboard

Around here:

7/16x4/x8 OSB is ~$15/sheet.
15/32x4x8 plywood is ~$22/sheet.
1/2x4x8 particleboard is ~$10/sheet.

They all have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Wow, I've been out of the framing loop for "a few" years. Last time I bought OSB it was $8 and plywood was $15. Particle board isn't even an option for exterior construction AFAIK. It's good for p-lam work - it's strong as hell when you laminate 2 sheets.

 

[phucheneh]

OSB has no strength. They will sag like crazy.

Um, OSB of the same thickness is stronger.

Plywood is more weatherproof and won't lose bits and pieces if walked on, or if tree branches blow against it or whatever.

...which is why OSB is always finished with something else to protect it.

And even though the grain alternates between plies, plywood still has directional weaknesses. I've seen sheets with every other ply broken in the middle...for every ply running in the optimal orientation (for the application), there is a corresponding ply in the absolute worst orientation.

And BS prices are BS. I bought some OSB last year, and I think it was $10 a sheet for the standard cheap stuff (7/16" I think). Equivalent strength ply is easily over 30.

 

[sdifox]

Um, OSB of the same thickness is stronger.

Plywood is more weatherproof and won't lose bits and pieces if walked on, or if tree branches blow against it or whatever.

...which is why OSB is always finished with something else to protect it.

And even though the grain alternates between plies, plywood still has directional weaknesses. I've seen sheets with every other ply broken in the middle...for every ply running in the optimal orientation (for the application), there is a corresponding ply in the absolute worst orientation.

And BS prices are BS. I bought some OSB last year, and I think it was $10 a sheet for the standard cheap stuff (7/16" I think). Equivalent strength ply is easily over 30.

You should look at the sub-floor of the cookie cutter houses I have looked at... There is a reason why cookie cutter builders switched to OSB, and that is purely for profit.

My brother is a general contractor so I get a lot of this info.

 

[franksta]

I was totally ready to put primer up yesterday but my parents had borrowed my supplies. So I worked on my VW a little, got it ready for a new brake master cylinder.

Here's a picture of the rest of the insulation.

 

[franksta]

Offically the colors are Ice Sculpture, Crisp White Linen, and Salamander.

 

[franksta]

Got the cabinets mounted. It wasn't too difficult, I only hit my head once.

And the drywall up on the east wall.


BIG things coming in the next couple of weeks.

 

[SyndromeOCZ]

I hope you installed the beer fridge with the cabinets if you didn't already have it in.

 

[franksta]

I hope you installed the beer fridge with the cabinets if you didn't already have it in.

It's going on a different wall. The house included a refrigerator but we already owned one before we moved. I think it needs a new door seal and cleaned up but otherwise it should be fine.

 

[franksta]

Installed some OSB for storage above the trusses. Also, put in the garage door light. Really just killing time waiting for...

This to be delivered. Only a rental for a couple of hours. It was completely necessary for...

These

 

[JCH13]

:awe:

Lift time baby!

 

[franksta]

:awe:

Lift time baby!

Yep, Bendpak 4-post, 9000 pound capacity. I also got the caster set so I can roll it around.

 

[tracerbullet]

Are you doing a ceiling? I haven't seen the rest of the thread, sorry if it's been talked about.

If you do a ceiling, and insulate it, it's easier to put the sheetrock up first then insulate from above. If you've got an attic floor in place already, I found that buying a roll of the plastic packing strap stuff did a good job of holding insulation in place until the sheetrock went up. The paper tabs weren't enough, they kept wanting to fall down.

Maybe you know all this or don't plan on a ceiling, but FYI just in case.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

holy moly.

This is so awesoem.

 

[franksta]

Are you doing a ceiling? I haven't seen the rest of the thread, sorry if it's been talked about.

If you do a ceiling, and insulate it, it's easier to put the sheetrock up first then insulate from above. If you've got an attic floor in place already, I found that buying a roll of the plastic packing strap stuff did a good job of holding insulation in place until the sheetrock went up. The paper tabs weren't enough, they kept wanting to fall down.

Maybe you know all this or don't plan on a ceiling, but FYI just in case.

It's not in the plans right now but thanks for the tip. Maybe when I get tired of looking at the bare wood I'll do something about it.

 

[JCH13]

Yep, Bendpak 4-post, 9000 pound capacity. I also got the caster set so I can roll it around.

Positively faptastic!