#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[waggy]

LOL that SVU episode. it was so fucked up it was funny

 

[Skel]

<snip>

That's all I really have to say on the matter. Skel stated he'd never seen one. I provided an example

And I thank you for that. I hadn't seen that before. I have to question though, has there been any outside of Hatred, which I won't deny is a good example, but I have to also think due to it's nature it's not just feminists that are against it. I personally think the game really pushes the boundaries of good taste. Though I'll still say what I said in the Hatred thread, I don't think it's a good idea to go that far, but I'll support the fact they have the right to make and sell it to whoever wants it. Either way, I think the game was going to have an uphill battle market wise. Games like Manhunt had nothing but controversy so it's shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Hatred, which appears to one up Manhunt would also have issues.

I see the thecoolnessrune already posted gta V in australia. They made up a lie to justify that petition, truth doesn't matter for these people, its why they are so dangerous.

Another example is the controversial game Hatred, they tried to get it removed from steam greenlight. Its not just these women, they stand in league with the corrupted sjw press which support any such campaign to suppress content they do not like. A sjw at valve did remove it for a while, it took the intervention of Gabe Newell to get it back on greenlight.
And when it won by a dominating margin

<snip>

All the corrupted outlets did not cover the win. It was a deafening silence.

The goal of these people is to control, whether they directly censor or indirectly through self censorship, that is their goal. And as we've seen with dying light...nothing is actually good enough for these people.
<snip>

Here's what I mean by "I thought the party line was Gamergate was about "Ethics in game journalism", did that switch over to " gamergate is about freedom. "??" Most if not all of this is against a few women and not against the game journalism gamergate claimed to be about. It's really hard not to think gamergate is against women when all the links and postings are attacking anyone with a different opinion. In many ways it seems that gamergate people need to take a step back and figure out what they really want to be about.

More importantly, why do you even care what this Feminist Frequency even says? Every media medium has critics. Many of those critics are biased via some personal view point. I just don't get out her's is that special that it creates this many links attempting to disprove her. Every game she speaks of sold well enough (at least the highlights of what I saw she criticized, I'll be the first to admit that I don't spend much time looking at her videos and even less time at all the rebuttals) that I doubt she has much if any impact on sales, and I doubt the next Dying Light game will be filled with Care Bears. Even Hatred proved that the market will still make and sell games based upon subjects many dislike. I can't help but feel that the people who hate her empower her way more than her fans.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

And I thank you for that. I hadn't seen that before. I have to question though, has there been any outside of Hatred, which I won't deny is a good example, but I have to also think due to it's nature it's not just feminists that are against it.

My link was about GTA V, so yes, there has been

 

[master_shake_]

gta v depicts violence against women...this statement is factually and undeniably wrong

gta v depicts violence against EVERYONE. that is more apt and tells the WHOLE truth.

 

[Blue_Max]

gta v depicts violence against women...this statement is factually and undeniably wrong

gta v depicts violence against EVERYONE. that is more apt and tells the WHOLE truth.

I like the rebuttal video to Sarky with a scene-for-scene recreation of her Hitman "women are objects to be murdered" bullshit... only with bakers.

This game displays a hatred of bakers and extreme intolerance to anyone working in the baking industry!!

 

[master_shake_]

I like the rebuttal video to Sarky with a scene-for-scene recreation of her Hitman "women are objects to be murdered" bullshit... only with bakers.

This game displays a hatred of bakers and extreme intolerance to anyone working in the baking industry!!

remember in the game of bakeriarchy bakers aren't the opposing team, they are the ball.

 

[0roo0roo]

Amazing how far these people will go with their narrative.

https://twitter.com/CultOfVivian/status/566757222177189888
Doesn't exist because they say so..




Anita &#8216;The Puppet&#8217; Sarkeesian - #fullmcintosh
Mecha Vivian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPEoZjgJh0



Special Guest: Mercedes Carrera - Gamergate vs. Feminism - DPP #85
Drunken Peasants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWXrOiMdXCk&feature=youtu.be

GamerGate 24.0
TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28IoL-CTXHE

On "Tropes vs Women in Video Games"
The Centrist Perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6A1HWprmio


Polygon liked intimidation game
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvChc_rKCcY

Milo's on a roll...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...essives-as-the-new-architects-of-moral-panic/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...s-about-the-effect-of-video-games-on-society/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ry-of-gamergates-self-styled-feminist-martyr/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...nging-and-misandry-ruin-a-cherished-art-form/
The hint in gamergate 24 stream is that brianna is about to get rekt.

 

[0roo0roo]

Here's what I mean by "I thought the party line was Gamergate was about "Ethics in game journalism", did that switch over to " gamergate is about freedom. "??" Most if not all of this is against a few women and not against the game journalism gamergate claimed to be about. It's really hard not to think gamergate is against women when all the links and postings are attacking anyone with a different opinion. In many ways it seems that gamergate people need to take a step back and figure out what they really want to be about.

More importantly, why do you even care what this Feminist Frequency even says? Every media medium has critics. Many of those critics are biased via some personal view point. I just don't get out her's is that special that it creates this many links attempting to disprove her. Every game she speaks of sold well enough (at least the highlights of what I saw she criticized, I'll be the first to admit that I don't spend much time looking at her videos and even less time at all the rebuttals) that I doubt she has much if any impact on sales, and I doubt the next Dying Light game will be filled with Care Bears. Even Hatred proved that the market will still make and sell games based upon subjects many dislike. I can't help but feel that the people who hate her empower her way more than her fans.

Its all interconnected. These women are only prominent because the media made them so. Trust me, gamers weren't asking the press to ram Anita Sarkeesian down their throat for 2 years before gamergate happened. These people are driven by ideology which is why they are dumb enough to attack their customers. You are asking the wrong questions. What did you do to deserve the accusations of misogyny contained in "manslamming" and "manspreading"? Did you instigate that? Or did they create a problem to attack you. What could you have done to prevent "manspreading" from being a thing?

"Ethics" is just a short cut on describing the issue which is a culture war. When speaking to the mainstream media anything more complicated than that is lost.

Honestly you really need to check out the rebuttals of her videos before speaking on this issue, or just look into her past.

She has been doing the same thing since college. Her "thesis" is just laughable, and the quality of her "criticism" has not improved since then.

Anita Sarkeesian Part 1: The College Graduate
Instig8iveJournalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI

Anita Sarkeesians Master Thesis -Pure Comedy Gold!
Thunderf00t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szfhRRxJNmQ

Anita Sarkeesian Debunked in Under a Minute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734

Thunderf00ts playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQJW3WMsx1q3BAZh3XsK1cSwCiaqjSulc

Dangerous Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/user/dangerousanalysis/videos

Mr Male Trope
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4AkkHALGY8vun3aU7xMMxsUIWnfwnCRT



Anita Sarkeesian, Teleseminar Success Story
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpw3wHn9Sk


Anita Sarkeesian's Game Idea: Good or Bad?
Asalieri2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYv73OeoGI


Anita Sarkeesian vs Marilyn Manson
The Amazing Atheist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H1PkyVzR-8


Anita Sarkeesian Part 2: Burqa Beach Party
Instig8iveJournalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk5F-S_hI



Anita Sarkeesian Doesn't Understand Words (Feminist Frequency)
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVFLCpz8_jc

Feminist Frequency's Rational Inconsistency
GamingAnarchist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hie1UFUdSRk
And so many others.
https://***********/@cainejw/dishonesty-feminist-frequency-part-1-fe937f6a791e
medium dot com is blacklisted for some reason?

Youtubers and streamers are next on the hitlist for these people.

https://twitter.com/Kazper613/status/566441896927449088



Oliver Campbell's response.. 600k views already
http://imgur.com/gallery/Ob7d2Pe?

 

[Skel]

My link was about GTA V, so yes, there has been

Sorry.. I meant to say in the US. Has there been any games in the US that have been removed by feminists? I'm not discounting the GTA V thing, but I'm just wondering how much power these feminists really have with video games. It honestly sounds like chicken little screaming the sky is falling, but I could be missing something.

Its all interconnected. These women are only prominent because the media made them so. Trust me, gamers weren't asking the press to ram Anita Sarkeesian down their throat for 2 years before gamergate happened. These people are driven by ideology which is why they are dumb enough to attack their customers. You are asking the wrong questions. What did you do to deserve the accusations of misogyny contained in "manslamming" and "manspreading"? Did you instigate that? Or did they create a problem to attack you. What could you have done to prevent "manspreading" from being a thing?

"Ethics" is just a short cut on describing the issue which is a culture war. When speaking to the mainstream media anything more complicated than that is lost.

Honestly you really need to check out the rebuttals of her videos before speaking on this issue, or just look into her past.

She has been doing the same thing since college. Her "thesis" is just laughable, and the quality of her "criticism" has not improved since then.

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I don't feel like I need to sit through hours of 'rebuttal' videos on her. I can't help but go back to what does it matter what she says? She's not controlling my spending on video games, and because I and many others spend the way we do the market will continue to make the games I'm playing. She can tell me that Mario is misogynistic until her face turns blue but it doesn't have any impact on me playing it. Let her say what she wants to say and be amused when she pretends she matters. At the end of the day she matters less to video games than I do, at least I spend money on them.

I feel like Sarkeesian only got media attention (mainstream I should say. I couldn't tell you what she got in any gaming sites) because she was 'attacked' and there was enough out there to make the the claim seem possible. Note that I'm saying she was or was not threaten. Don't know, don't care if she was. That stuff that made the claim seem possible was done by people going out of their way to make videos and whatnot about her. If people just ignored her I doubt she'd be any more on the radar than the idiot self claiming feminists down at community college.

I also have to now ask you what gamergate is about? Is it about women attacking men for being dicks on the subway by taking up more than one seat?

 

[Andrew Chunis]

World Problem

 

[Exophase]

Bolded this time so you can see that I stated skepticism is warranted until another source looks into it.

I did see it. I wanted to say it anyway because the whole idea that anything that happens on 8chan is affiliated with Gamergate is a popular one.

I looked at those sources idlediletante used and they were basically heresay from Zoe Quinn. So completely useless. I've found other people claiming Benjamin Biddix is a Gamergate supporter but I can't find anything whatsoever to substantiate this. It looks like a perfect example of an oft-repeated lie coming from the usual instigating parties. This isn't something I'm going to take with a grain of salt, this is something I won't take at all until real evidence is supplied. These people have ruined any chance of deserving benefit of the doubt from me.

At any rate, as far as I can tell /baphomet has been completely wiped, so it's kind of hard to carry a further argument against 8chan for it...

 

[blankslate]

blah blah blah I'm going to ignore the fact that 4 chan banned gamergate threads and 8 chan apparently has not blah blah blah...

Good for you, and good night sir.

 

[Exophase]

Good for you, and good night sir.

Seriously? 8chan, whose global rules are basically "we won't remove it unless it's illegal" - and were long before GG was even a thing - doesn't remove GG posts while 4chan does, so therefore every board on 8chan must be connected to GG? What a terrible argument. reddit hasn't removed KiA so clearly GamerGhazi is complicit with GG, right?

 

[blankslate]

So someone noting that one board banned a certain subject and another didn't means that the implication is that every thread on the latter board is about the subject...

what shitty reading comprehension...


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[gamervivek]

Sorry.. I meant to say in the US. Has there been any games in the US that have been removed by feminists? I'm not discounting the GTA V thing, but I'm just wondering how much power these feminists really have with video games. It honestly sounds like chicken little screaming the sky is falling, but I could be missing something.

Depends on how much you want them to, games like Unreal Tournament had male and female models and the females bots usually better skilled since '99. The recent female Thor comics has GGers even more on the edge.

http://i.imgur.com/zpS0AoT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kDoMPOz.jpg

Now imagine GTA with a feminist protagonist. :awe:

 

[Subyman]

I'm looking for an "enlightening" and "pro-social" game of Call of Duty right now. I'm thinking most of those SJW posts are trolling gamer gate. Both sides are easy to troll, so its no wonder that its blown up so much.

 

[waggy]

Depends on how much you want them to, games like Unreal Tournament had male and female models and the females bots usually better skilled since '99. The recent female Thor comics has GGers even more on the edge.

http://i.imgur.com/zpS0AoT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kDoMPOz.jpg

Now imagine GTA with a feminist protagonist. :awe:

It's funny. i keep hearing how people are pissed that Thor is now a women. I have been collecting comics for 30+ years, I get on comic book forums, sites and talk with comic book lovers often.

VERY few are upset with it. We all know this is a gimic to try to get new readers and it will go back to normal in a year or less.

 

[waggy]

Seriously? 8chan, whose global rules are basically "we won't remove it unless it's illegal" - and were long before GG was even a thing - doesn't remove GG posts while 4chan does, so therefore every board on 8chan must be connected to GG? What a terrible argument. reddit hasn't removed KiA so clearly GamerGhazi is complicit with GG, right?

well 4chan used to be the same way. it was full of illegal pictures and gore. sure they would eventually get to banning teh CP after a while.

With GG shit they clamped down fast and hard.

 

[Skel]

Depends on how much you want them to, games like Unreal Tournament had male and female models and the females bots usually better skilled since '99. The recent female Thor comics has GGers even more on the edge.

http://i.imgur.com/zpS0AoT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kDoMPOz.jpg

Now imagine GTA with a feminist protagonist. :awe:

I read that book this morning, and while stupid, doesn't really do much to change the Thor as he's still running around in the book. What about it puts "GGers" on edge? The fact that a woman has started running around for a bit with the hammer?

It's funny. i keep hearing how people are pissed that Thor is now a women. I have been collecting comics for 30+ years, I get on comic book forums, sites and talk with comic book lovers often.

VERY few are upset with it. We all know this is a gimic to try to get new readers and it will go back to normal in a year or less.

This ^. Everyone I've known has only groaned at this new Thor due to it being the same gimmick that Marvel has been abusing of late, see Superior Spider-Man and the like. It'll be back to normal before Avengers hits.

I also doubt GTA would be so drastically different with a feminist protagonist. It's GTA, they know exactly where their bread and butter comes from. If they caved to the court of public opinion we would have had much different games after 3.

 

[Exophase]

So someone noting that one board banned a certain subject and another didn't means that the implication is that every thread on the latter board is about the subject...

what shitty reading comprehension...


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The fact that you refer to 8chan as a "board" (singular) with different actual boards on 8chan as "threads" shows just how fundamentally you're misrepresenting it.

And even if it were a single board with cohesive moderation, that'd be like saying that Anandtech moderators and admins are all sympathetic to Gamergate because they haven't banned discussion either (as evidence by this thread)

well 4chan used to be the same way. it was full of illegal pictures and gore. sure they would eventually get to banning teh CP after a while.

With GG shit they clamped down fast and hard.

Yes, and while some people have taken the position that that means that GG discussion is even worse than those things they've allowed, it could instead have something to do with less objective tastes on the part of the admins. That's hardly a crazy conspiracy theory, although people seem to treat it like one.

 

[blankslate]

The fact that you refer to 8chan as a "board" (singular) with different actual boards on 8chan as "threads" shows just how fundamentally you're misrepresenting it.

And even if it were a single board with cohesive moderation, that'd be like saying that Anandtech moderators and admins are all sympathetic to Gamergate because they haven't banned discussion either (as evidence by this thread)
.

Thanks for the clarification about how 4chan and 8chan works as opposed to a forum like Anandtech.

Actually the previous thread about this issue in PC gaming was closed.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2396053&highlight=conflict+interest

When it was opened up here it was allowed to continue... however mods allow much more leeway here than in other subforums.

4chan and 8chan are separate "entities" while PC gaming and P&N are in the same space. So comparing 4chan and 8chan's reaction to this subject to the mods' opinions about it isn't really valid.

As far as the relationship between pro gg parts of 8chan and baphomet we'll never really know (unless the FBI investigation into it generally and whatever investigation happens about the judge's SSN being posted become public) which is the problem with this subject in the first place.
Sure it's easy to say there's no link between gg discussions on 8 chan and baphomet, however there's that old saw about people in the mob who accept coincidences without being suspicious are bad at being mobsters.

Any real conversation about games journalism ethics, which really should be about the state of journalism as a whole in general, is being drowned out by trolls with doxxing and swatting incidents. It's a real problem in my eyes that one of the main sparks that helped it flare up is in fact a fine example of a trolling incident.

Why does it blow up over alleged sex for coverage when it arguably should have blown up over this
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/...a-window-into-the-world-of-gaming-journalism/

IMO the Kayne and Lynch incident is a clearer example of big money and lack of ethics in "games journalism" than the example I see mentioned much more often with such gnashing of teeth.



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[0roo0roo]

Sorry.. I meant to say in the US. Has there been any games in the US that have been removed by feminists? I'm not discounting the GTA V thing, but I'm just wondering how much power these feminists really have with video games. It honestly sounds like chicken little screaming the sky is falling, but I could be missing something.

As I said before...

Another example is the controversial game Hatred, they tried to get it removed from steam greenlight. Its not just these women, they stand in league with the corrupted sjw press which support any such campaign to suppress content they do not like. A sjw at valve did remove it for a while, it took the intervention of Gabe Newell to get it back on greenlight.
And when it won by a dominating margin

All the corrupted outlets did not cover the win. It was a deafening silence.

The goal of these people is to control, whether they directly censor or indirectly through self censorship, that is their goal. And as we've seen with
dying light...nothing is actually good enough for these people.


And if you don't think these things matter.

Ask yourself, how did "Yes means yes" become law in california colleges?

Do you think it came from no where?

Feminized America: How "Yes Means Yes" was created
blackgnosticspeaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMR5GyuZF0o

It was a process.

I don't feel like I need to sit through hours of 'rebuttal' videos on her. I can't help but go back to what does it matter what she says? She's not controlling my spending on video games, and because I and many others spend the way we do the market will continue to make the games I'm playing. She can tell me that Mario is misogynistic until her face turns blue but it doesn't have any impact on me playing it. Let her say what she wants to say and be amused when she pretends she matters. At the end of the day she matters less to video games than I do, at least I spend money on them.

I feel like Sarkeesian only got media attention (mainstream I should say. I couldn't tell you what she got in any gaming sites) because she was 'attacked' and there was enough out there to make the the claim seem possible. Note that I'm saying she was or was not threaten. Don't know, don't care if she was. That stuff that made the claim seem possible was done by people going out of their way to make videos and whatnot about her. If people just ignored her I doubt she'd be any more on the radar than the idiot self claiming feminists down at community college.

I also have to now ask you what gamergate is about? Is it about women attacking men for being dicks on the subway by taking up more than one seat?

As for Sarkeesian, do you want to have an informed opinion or not?
In any case many of the debunking videos by thunderf00t and others are actually quite entertaining.

But fine, you got 1 minute?

Anita Sarkeesian Debunked in Under a Minute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734

Now ask yourself why this isn't ever mentioned in the media.

 

[0roo0roo]

4chan and 8chan are separate "entities" while PC gaming and P&N are in the same space. So comparing 4chan and 8chan's reaction to this subject to the mods' opinions about it isn't really valid.

As far as the relationship between pro gg parts of 8chan and baphomet we'll never really know (unless the FBI investigation into it generally and whatever investigation happens about the judge's SSN being posted become public) which is the problem with this subject in the first place.
Sure it's easy to say there's no link between gg discussions on 8 chan and baphomet, however there's that old saw about people in the mob who accept coincidences without being suspicious are bad at being mobsters.
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No the only people saying this are the ones who make statements based on presumptions which are baseless. "We can't discuss ethics because of harassment which exists because I say so".

Baph hates GG as much as it hates sjw's. Prominent members including lizf620, the hyper realistic cg sock puppet of cg was also doxed by these people.

IMO the Kayne and Lynch incident is a clearer example of big money and lack of ethics in "games journalism" than the example I see mentioned much more often with such gnashing of teeth.
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Ars is one of "those" sites these days, so its just incredible to see how many have fallen.



http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Timeline/Before_GamerGate

Kane and lynch was mentioned, and even some early gamergate video including the fired guy trying to tell his story is out there on youtube some where. Its simply not the same though, there was no industry rallying around in defense of corruption during that time, they fired him and made it go away. There was no secret mailing list revealed at the time, and there was no peddling of ideology, there was no mass cover up and it was just a different situation

 

[Smoblikat]

As I said before...

Another example is the controversial game Hatred, they tried to get it removed from steam greenlight. Its not just these women, they stand in league with the corrupted sjw press which support any such campaign to suppress content they do not like. A sjw at valve did remove it for a while, it took the intervention of Gabe Newell to get it back on greenlight.
And when it won by a dominating margin

All the corrupted outlets did not cover the win. It was a deafening silence.

The goal of these people is to control, whether they directly censor or indirectly through self censorship, that is their goal. And as we've seen with
dying light...nothing is actually good enough for these people.


And if you don't think these things matter.

Ask yourself, how did "Yes means yes" become law in california colleges?

Do you think it came from no where?

Feminized America: How "Yes Means Yes" was created
blackgnosticspeaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMR5GyuZF0o

It was a process.



As for Sarkeesian, do you want to have an informed opinion or not?
In any case many of the debunking videos by thunderf00t and others are actually quite entertaining.

But fine, you got 1 minute?

Anita Sarkeesian Debunked in Under a Minute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734

Now ask yourself why this isn't ever mentioned in the media.

Yes means yes became a law because CA is full of air headed liberals who love to limit their own freedoms.

 

[momeNt]

This is a really good example of a group of people starved for attention and rallying around something that nobody really understands just to try and stay in some sort of spotlight.

Don't take that as me siding with whoever is against you, I am an avid gamer, and have some social issues that maybe could be classified as aspberger's, i have few friends, but at the same time have very low social needs so it does not leave me feeling lonely. I have been around gamers who similar to me have few friends, but are actually very lonely and are starved for any sort of attention, and I think gamergate is testament to that.