#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

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Nebor

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Keep putting money in the pocket of the one you claim to despise. You realize that is what you and your ilk are doing right?

Both sides are getting rich here. The primary Gamergate sites and youtube channels are seeing an enormous amount of traffic. Each side is viewing the others material in outrage. Kinda funny really. All it's costing them is time.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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Looks at those personal insults fly! You like to say I'm the one who can't think straight, yet you and your cyber-sistren throw around every insult you possibly can, regardless of any smidgen of accuracy, Spray-and-Pray style.

Basement, girls, sex, anger, sanity, funding, supporting... you can't get one accusation even close to right. And I'm the one who's "insane"?
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"Cyber Sisters are an extremely fierce confederation of fighting females who act something like a shrill Greek chorus, echoing and amplifying one another's voice until their foes retreat in disarray. They are generally leaderless, but anyone who challenges one Cyber Sister can expect to be savagely attacked by the others. Only the most powerful and battle-hardened of Warriors is strong enough to weather a Cyber Sisters attack."

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werepossum

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You know, I agree in principle that gamers can't afford to not answer feminist attacks when they are working with game publishers and developers. But in this case, and especially with the tactics so often seen here and elsewhere, fighting against the feminists has become counter-productive. Probably counter-productive from day one. I have zero regard for Sarkeesian, consider anyone using the term "cis" to be too defective to even make good soap, and am convinced that Shanley Kane is a shoo-in for stupidest person on the planet, but damned if I'm not developing some sympathy for them in spite of themselves.

I'll second the notion that this thread be locked and raise an expressed desire that it be purged from the Internet with dataphages if at all possible, to prevent us gamers from shooting ourselves in our collective foot any further.

Full disclosure, I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal libertarian middle aged (assuming I live to be 110) gamer who might be considered a feminist for some values of "feminist" and definitely an anti-feminist for some other values of "feminist", if one cares.
 

Jaskalas

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I'll second the notion that this thread be locked

^ Third.

Pointed discussions on more valuable topics could use their own thread - minus the social media junk being fed to us. I'd like more discussion and less exposition from around the web.

When the topic is a hate war, it becomes difficult to see value in letting it continue.
 

blankslate

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In the tradition of posts without comments

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9mAMmwfs4&t=1m25s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9mAMmwfs4&t=11m25s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9mAMmwfs4&t=21m24s

...but it's just fucking video games people... it's video games... you have taken your love for artwork and you have unfortunately put a very poisonous spin into it... and you're ruining it for a lot of people and that's unfortunate.
So yeah that's what I think about Gamer's Gate. I think it's sensational headlines is what I think it is and we've taken a community, small community of trolls and we've blown it into this sensational bunch of bullshit...


I'm trying to learn from Senpai 0roo0roo! Please notice me Senpai!



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MongGrel

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^ Third.

Pointed discussions on more valuable topics could use their own thread - minus the social media junk being fed to us. I'd like more discussion and less exposition from around the web.

When the topic is a hate war, it becomes difficult to see value in letting it continue.

In for a quorum of 4.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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Threedog's #Gamergate News Radio Ep 16
Oliver Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnAwHM7P4a0

Linehan's asshatery is now cemented in media...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/31/graham-linehan-saviour-of-women/

down the rabbit hole...companies are linked in a way you wouldn't expect.
http://daskapitalcapital.com/

Tropes vs Women Refund: An Open Letter to Feminist Frequency
LeoPirate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoucuL1jazI

http://chongoblog.tumblr.com/post/109708192386/sexydavestrider-revengeance-he-kinda-has-a-point

GamerGate 20.0
TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zcHPjdATVI


Honey Badger Radio: Women in tech with special guest Mercedes Carrera
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zveMdWc-JWE

Please notice me Senpai!



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0roo0roo

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Keep putting money in the pocket of the one you claim to despise. You realize that is what you and your ilk are doing right?

You realize this isn't how this works right? People tried to ignore her for years before this started, it festers, and they embed themselves as parasites into every system they can, why do you think the media is that screwed up right now.

I mean, what did you do to instigate the accusations of "man spreading"?

And if you think 400k is a lot of money, how much money would you think it would have cost to "red pill" so many people at once in so short a time?

Its a bargain to be frank.
 

Ruptga

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Aug 3, 2006
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Yeah, no. I never would have heard of Sark-whoever if it weren't for this thread, and now I'll have to look up man spreading. Sounds like something nasty an Australian would put on toast.

All you're doing is making sure more people see your enemies as victims (and this being a -gate for assholes, by assholes, that IS the perception) which gets them more free publicity and more donations that they can use to undermine the fabric of American society, or whatever it is you think they're doing. Normally I'd encourage you to keep on raging, just for the lols, but like I said about five pages ago you're hurting my reputation too. So cut it out already :colbert:

Ok so apparently man spreading is what douchebags do when they feel like taking up more than their share of space. The only reason it's man-centric is because women are taught from the age of two that they need to keep their legs together because of skirts and angry grandmothers. Don't be a dick and this shouldn't be an issue.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
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You realize this isn't how this works right? People tried to ignore her for years before this started, it festers, and they embed themselves as parasites into every system they can, why do you think the media is that screwed up right now.

I mean, what did you do to instigate the accusations of "man spreading"?

And if you think 400k is a lot of money, how much money would you think it would have cost to "red pill" so many people at once in so short a time?

Its a bargain to be frank.

Holy shit an actual post with like words and crap......

Good job...didn't know you had it in you. Still a bunch of crap in my opinion but at least a post that isn't a bunch of you-tube links and social media screen shots. Keep it up!
 

blankslate

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Jun 16, 2008
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Senpai noticed me!!!:D


But seriously, the thing that people who are complaining about feminists criticizing video games fail to notice is that these same feminists are also rather vocal in their critiques of Michael Bay movies and other "exploitative" movies...
And that despite feminist criticisms of such movies action movies like "Transformers" and erotic thrillers like "Basic Extinct" still get made.... People still watch them and mostly ignore the criticisms.

No movie genres have been censored... Yes some theater decide not to show some movies for one reason or another but it isn't some government censorship... because the movie industry rates their content.

Something that videogames have started doing when the need for that was apparent.

Some people are so worried for no good reason that they're hurting their cause by trolling others online while others find they're being ignored in the broader media because of the shit-storm of harrassment that the very very small minority of trolls in gg excreted from their mouth-anuses onto twitter months back.

It's as stated here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ag3jz0U730&t=12m22s

^start at 12 mins. 22 seconds.


...what you are seeing is that stuff compounded in the gaming press started to threaten an identity.

An identity of being a gamer an identity of being a young person who maybe felt that they existed in this other subculture.
And identity politics is something that our culture understands. right?
It's something that's easy to attack other people for not understanding your identity; it's easy to attack other people for being outside your identity.


And what has actually happened to gamergate is that the language and the tactics of the culture war and the identity politics that are toxic to our society have been foisted onto video games. So now what we're talking about is feminism.
Now what we're talking about is "Straight up, like, are you a gamer? Do you believe in what I believe in."

And so the angry tweets I get is about things like "You're just supplicating yourself to the feminist agenda" when really what the Verge is talking about is "Should women be better represented in videogames?"

And so... you can have these arguments; they are worth having.
What should our art look like?
Should our art include the category of things we traditionally call videogames?
I would argue that they should.

But if you want to disagree with Roger Ebert.
If you want to win the argument; that videogames should be considered art.
You necessarily have to let other artists into the mix
You necessarily have to let other kinds of criticism into the mix.


So when feminists critique Michael Bay movies you don't get gamergate...
What You get is people being like "ugh, it's happening again.", and then lots of people watch Michael Bay movies.
When feminists critique Grand Theft Auto V...
What you get is you get is GamerGate.

And that is actually the problem.
That's the whole circle of the problem is that the people who believe that this is their identity and these publications belong to them... Are refusing to understand; and they're refusing to accept; is that, that circle should get wider.

And again I feel strongly about this because it has been personally affecting to me over these past few weeks and for my friends who work in video games journalism past three months.

But I will tell you that this is the right side of the argument.
And there is a wrong side, and the wrong side is being a dick to people over the internet.


Looking at the examples of other mediums of art in the past which have all had their own controversies... no art category was censored (except perhaps if you pissed on a religious symbol) but there have been limits on what could be sold to minors... There are still action movies, there are still explicit songs, there are still trashy books and comic books are still around telling all sorts of stories...

Some gamers are so wrapped up in an identity that they can't see this... they don't want to see it because they can't see that their cause is distracting them from something they enjoy... and that the very very few men's rights movement people who have attached themselves to gg are convincing the person who hasn't really paid attention that gg really is about harassment...

It's as if the most hardcore GG people are like this guy...

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/shrug

To quote the dean "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkoPq5AOCOA



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0roo0roo

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And that despite feminist criticisms of such movies action movies like "Transformers" and erotic thrillers like "Basic Extinct" still get made.... People still watch them and mostly ignore the criticisms.
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Missing the point so hard its not funny. I'm sorry, but movies like irreversible exist.
Its a completely different situation with a completely different situation. Critics have very little power in the movie industry, put it this way, a film directors salary doesn't have a bonus based on rottentomatoes scores.

Never mind the whole IGF situation, we're talking corruption where gate keepers are trying to rig the system, especially in indie games. You seem to be forgetting something very simple. The movie companies ARE the media. The same cannot be said about the games industry. I mean seriously, NBC Universal are the same company now.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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#GamerGate Happenings Recap with Socks 5 feb
NEET LIFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI9d23ylXFk

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Corruption exposed
http://techraptor.net/content/state-gaming-media-interview-allistair-pinsof-part-1
http://techraptor.net/content/relationships-indie-gaming-interview-allistair-pinsof-part-2
http://techraptor.net/content/gamergate-destrutoid-interview-allistair-pinsof-part-3

The Pinsof Interview
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ZbpWxnWrI

Pinsof Interview Overview
John Kelly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBrcmOMxmvQ

GamerGate 22.0
TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f21nEbXKAzc

And a bit more context from the original vids on the igf
Silverstring-ing Us Along! -- Indie-Fensible (#GamerGate)
ShortFatOtaku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNyM7lxFy98

Bigger Fish To Fry! -- Indie-Fensible (#GamerGate)
ShortFatOtaku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ON-oL4Mlks


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Now they are invading the school curriculum through Common Core...
https://twitter.com/CHSommers/status/563922752412061696
http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/education-outreach/is-gaming-a-boys-club.pdf
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http://theralphretort.com/adlanita-use-effort-bid-indoctrinate-kids-unchallenged-sjw-ideology-20615/

My Reaction to the ADF/Sarkeesian Proposed Common Core Lesson
Video Culture Replay Blog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYw66JOW5Ew


The ADL National Gaming and Sexism Curriculum
Tyler Valle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A7b78clD1Y

Anita Sarkeesian bullshit taught in schools 11-12 grade
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C5r12qkCts

ADL's support of Anita is almost funny because of McIntoshes politics
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...l-hating-far-left-feminist-jonathan-mcintosh/
http://theralphretort.com/jihad-jonathan-mcintosh-stands-with-french-terrorists-01013015/



Why Gamers Had To Die: Part 3 - Pseudo-Academics and Lazy Journalists
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6gc3zb4EnM

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KoF '97 Stabbings, Resident Evil 7, Indigo Prophesy Remastered, Luigi’s Mansion Arcade + More!
by EventStatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLoXusUirgQ




Social Justice Hypocrites: The Ethically-Challenged Extra Credits
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2pQLFevEMI


Social Justice Hypocrites: #ZeroBiscuit and Exclusionist Behaviour
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHARfEhUgNE


Stream with LianaK from metaleater
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjcEEzpPHxo


DOUBLE STANDARDS APPROACHING PARALLELOGRAMS
Aus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgkzo9fqwwo

BadgerPod Gamergate # 2: Edgy Game design with guest James 'Grim'

Desborough
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxh6flebxe4

And sarkeesian really shoved her foot in her mouth on Dying Light
Feminist Frequency vs. Heroic Women in Video Games - Dying Light
yutt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzU3RnYe3fE
http://danjolley.com/post/104181213824/a-few-words-about-dying-light


And on harassment, data analysis
http://chrisvoncsefalvay.com/2014/12/07/Gamergate.html
https://twitter.com/ProfessorF/status/561870003088027649
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https:///@cainejw/an-actual-statistical-analysis-of-gamergate-dfd809858f68
medium .com
https://jennofhardwire.wordpress.co...updated-with-documented-harassment-of-gamers/



And this kind of thing helps explain so many of the donators to these women being men..
http://theralphretort.com/mike-sacc...ecret-findomme-life-allegedly-revealed-20315/
 
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yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
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You do know that posters who vomit forth posts full of images and YouTube links are seen as crazy types, right?
 

norseamd

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put me down for 5....

Never said anything in this topic so far but considering you are just as fundamentalist as the other side you have no validity to try and pass yourself off as like one of the "logical crowd per se' since you are not some bystander.

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blankslate

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Never said anything in this topic so far but considering you are just as fundamentalist as the other side you have no validity to try and pass yourself off as like one of the "logical crowd per se' since you are not some bystander.

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You know what you may be right... My views may not be logicial...

As I see it I have this idea that is fundamental to my view of the world...

Any expressive medium that humans produce (be it music, movies, paintings drawings dance and including video games) can be considered art. Especially if thereis something about it that affects the person who is viewing, listening to, or playing it.

For example when Sephiroth killed Aeris in FFVII, a lot of people have said they were very much affected by that part of the video game.

As far as art goes every form of art as far as I can tell to one degree or another has met with criticism... it seems to be some weird litmus test that people collectively apply to "art" to see if it is really "art"

Because of that I do believe that since video games falls into that category that fundamentally video games will inevitably to be the subject of criticism.

Whether or not we like it, there will be people who will level that criticism at something that I do spend a fair (ok maybe a lot) of time doing.

Hell, I might even partially agree with some of their points... as an example I do notice that some armor items that look one way on a male character does somehow look a bit more interesting when it is on a female character.

Maybe it's just not logical to say that since feminists have leveled criticism at movies and music in particular for violence or misogyny or sexism and that their criticisms hasn't affected the genres of movies or music that the public can watch or listen to (in other words that violent, "sexist" movies and explicit music is still very much available); that criticisms leveled at video-games by different groups including feminists won't stop development of violent games or stop the appearance of sexy female avatars in games...


But you know judging from the previous examples of controversies on other mediums of art... I don't think feminists are the concern that some people say they are.... I'll even draw the conclusion (flawed though my logic may be) that since criticisms of movies or music has not led to widespread censorship of either in the name of "equality" that similar criticisms leveled at videogames won't bring widespread censorship of those either....

I think the above conclusion is a safe one to have even though there are wacky extreme examples of feminists just as there are wacky extreme examples of gamergate supporters...

Especially that one guy who allegedly stole his mother's Prius and crashed it on his way to street race Brianna Wu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYPC-YMdJFI

Either that or he's on a different level sort of like an Andy Kauffman of youtube.

*e2a*

I do think that gamergate has done something worthwhile... publications that didn't have a code of conduct for it's employees now have adopted them and others that did have apparently revised them.


Here is an imo very good (although lengthy) blog post by a neutral that explains how he thinks #gamergate and all of the hullaballoo around it blew up...

A ‘Neutral’ Mansplains Gamergate, Social Justice and Radical Feminism

I pretty much share about all of his views.






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Subyman

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Listened to an episode of This American Life that talks about internet trolling. There is a section where one of the female editors discusses her run-ins with people trolling her on social media and through email. One person took it to her personal limit and she broke down. The troll ended up coming forward and they actually talk to each other on the podcast. The troll reveals some interesting stuff about why they did it and how the editor changed their life.

Definitely worth a listen if you have the time.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/rad...-have-anything-nice-to-say-say-it-in-all-caps

You may need to skip around to find it, there are a few stories in that one podcast.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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This american life told the usual narrative, but the context is of course omitted, she writes for jezebel, and they are professional trolls, who do it for clickbait, so I have to take everything they say with a grain of salt. Anyways, its the convenient narrative. I'm sure some trolls are like that, but the problem is that these people use this problem for their own agendas.


The svu episode inspired by all this just aired.
Gamergate took over their hastag:)
https://twitter.com/hashtag/GameOnSVU?src=hash
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OPEN LETTER TO THE ADL AND EDUCATORS
The Vivian Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFdLodcWke0
https://twitter.com/CHSommers/status/563922752412061696
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Angry Joe, TotalBiscuit and #GamerGate
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uf9kS7Rp3Y

Anita Sarkeesian Called Me Out on Twitter
AlphaOmegaSin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhFCdQjthxo
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The Future Of #Gamergate! -- Indie-Fensible
ShortFatOtaku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0g3rz75HPU


Why Feminist Frequency Almost Made Me Quit Writing About Video Games, Part One of Five
Liana K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0JvjKEuF4

Who Bullies The Bullies?
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html


How do social justice warriors win debates, where do they get their arguments?
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPjXUh5FYE

Anita Sarkeesian Lies Again
MrRepzion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Sj_CtPCGI

What is a social justice warrior, why do they act like that? - rant -
veemonro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGDZGNaiYpY


GamerGate 23.0
TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COPWYmdYhMM

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Seems Brianna forgot to log out...
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and the sjw's went after Total Biscuits wife
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skh4nn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVa0Crj1oD8