apoppin
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Just remember, nVidia is also doing the same thing . . . . they are holding back their fastest card to see what the r520xt-PE is like . . . we probably won't see their UltraOC unti Fall.
Just remember, nVidia is also doing the same thing . . . . they are holding back their fastest card to see what the r520xt-PE is like . . . we probably won't see their UltraOC unti Fall.
Gamingphreek
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Hey genius.. how do you know anything about the architecture? Last i checked official specs haven't been released and no one has done a review of the architecture.
Additionally IIRC the last report from Nvidia said that the next NV card was not going to be based off of any previous generation. You are taking rumor over official report?
Sometimes the ignorance here is ridiculous. Why dont we wait until the cards are released before everyone begins torching everyone.
-Kevin
Cause that's no fun. Piecing together information from different sources and trying to paint a picture of what we soon may see is what we are doing and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
The people who get " torched " are those who blatantly steer away from the general consensus and few facts available to make silly comments.
The people who get " torched " are those who blatantly steer away from the general consensus and few facts available to make silly comments.
Gamingphreek
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However people are taking this image and making it a reality, which is where the "torching" begins.
-Kevin
agreed. please just let us discuss. we have a right to discuss and speculate just as much as you guys say we don't...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this is just speculation. well maybe it does these days...
Gamingphreek generally you're not a troll but if you don't like it, just don't post in the thread. everyone knows its speculation and we don't need that fact spoonfed to us twice a day, unless it's clearly stated that the OP is basing his decision off rumors. that's just as annoying from our point of view as it is us speculating from your's. like that guy who was 'disappointed' the g70 only got x 3dmarks. that's the thread to do it in, not here. this is a speculation thread. the topic summary should be 'speculation thread'. but I don't see the big deal anyway...maybe you don't want people to be misled...well that's fine but i think people need to learn their lesson (the hard way) some day if they are believing speculation. fortunately, there's not a whole lot of those people here, or at least I hope not.
the nvidia fanboys get called nvidia fanboys by ati fanboys who get called ati fanboys by nvidia fanboys..ahhhhh!!! stack overflow fanboy.dll i can't take it anymore!
Gamingphreek
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Originally posted by: xtknight
agreed. please just let us discuss. we have a right to discuss and speculate just as much as you guys say we don't...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this is just speculation. well maybe it does these days...
maybe you don't want people to be misled...well that's fine but i think people need to learn their lesson (the hard way) some day if they are believing speculation. fortunately, there's not a whole lot of those people here, or at least I hope not.
the nvidia fanboys get called nvidia fanboys by ati fanboys who get called ati fanboys by nvidia fanboys..ahhhhh!!! stack overflow fanboy.dll i can't take it anymore!
Well reading the thread title, kinda looks that way
anyway i'll probably hold off this generation and get a faster LCD. that is unless the R520 comes at $500 or less for the holidays then i'll consider it. unless you're playing games at insane resolutions like 2048x1536 you don't need the r520/g70. i haven't managed to find a "too slow" setting for my card yet...except maybe splinter cell: chaos theory (with everything up), which I never play anyway. I can't imagine you guys with 6800 ultras have (found a slow setting) either, unless you got some huge LCD. the announcement of H.264 acceleration sold me on the R520 (yes it's a press release, NOT SPECULATION: http://apps.ati.com/ir/PressReleaseText.asp?compid=105421&releaseID=713852). hopefully it's not another PureVideo scam...I really do want hardware encoding acceleration also.
You want to make an ass of yourself in a public forum, then fine. Go ahead. You've been doing such a good job of it so far.
But DON'T make up "quotes" of things I've never said!
Really, could you be a little MORE childish simply because you lost an argument? :roll:
"what some here are failing to realize is ALL the 7800 needs to do is soundly trounce the X850xt-pe at a similar price.
[without killing the 6800u sli numbers cause 'nVidia still needs to get rid of old stock]"
Actually apoppin that would be the worst thing they could do, at least imo. I mean think about it, they can brag that our next gen has finally barely surpassed Ati's year old last gen. When a next gen card comes out there needs to be a point to it. Slightly better fps, when they are not even close to being needed yet, is not by any means a exciting achievement nor a very defineable point to a card. Especially when they are renaming it, if its only a slight step up from the current gen then they should keep the current gens name until they get something that is noticeabley better than the current gen.
Edit: Doh, zendari already said what I was thinking, when you name a next gen card a next gen it should perform like a next generation of graphics card. But as it appears, not proven by any means, that it does not then this should be called the 6900 or 6950.
[without killing the 6800u sli numbers cause 'nVidia still needs to get rid of old stock]"
Actually apoppin that would be the worst thing they could do, at least imo. I mean think about it, they can brag that our next gen has finally barely surpassed Ati's year old last gen. When a next gen card comes out there needs to be a point to it. Slightly better fps, when they are not even close to being needed yet, is not by any means a exciting achievement nor a very defineable point to a card. Especially when they are renaming it, if its only a slight step up from the current gen then they should keep the current gens name until they get something that is noticeabley better than the current gen.
Edit: Doh, zendari already said what I was thinking, when you name a next gen card a next gen it should perform like a next generation of graphics card. But as it appears, not proven by any means, that it does not then this should be called the 6900 or 6950.
RussianSensation
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Another 7800 score for 3dmark05 on FX57 overclocked to 2960mhz. LINK
The inquirer says, "When you overclock the G70, Geforce 7800 from its stock 430/1200MHz to a 500MHz core and 1300MHz memory you can get as much as 9000. This might give you an idea about the possible speeds of Geforce 7800 Ultra card."
The inquirer says, "When you overclock the G70, Geforce 7800 from its stock 430/1200MHz to a 500MHz core and 1300MHz memory you can get as much as 9000. This might give you an idea about the possible speeds of Geforce 7800 Ultra card."
Thanks RussianSensation for the extra link.
Maybe the GTX isnt the final version. With these scores coming out at that mark and with the moderate oc there must be a higher speced card out there.
And i know 3Dmark is not the definitive benchmark for real world gaming. But at least we have an idea of what the card is capable of against others.
Maybe the GTX isnt the final version. With these scores coming out at that mark and with the moderate oc there must be a higher speced card out there.
And i know 3Dmark is not the definitive benchmark for real world gaming. But at least we have an idea of what the card is capable of against others.
Gamingphreek
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I understand all these links; however, how could these be true. Wouldn't these guys be violating NDA. I think they are just messing with us.
-Kevin
-Kevin
sxs112 has done alot of things pre-NDA. This would not have been the first time. I trust his scores since the information he has given before concerning AMD's X2 was also 100% accurate.
What he has, is the real thing
Creig, I've never lost an argument with you.
To be honest, I don't know why we need to talk.
You're not an enthusiast who buys high end cards, you just seem to like to flame me/nVidia.
You can flame me and call me bias all you want- but I know who ATI loves more:
I bought a 9700P, 9800P, X800XT PE, and I'll tell you right now I'll be buying a R520.
You bought a 9500NP in this time frame.
I should be calling you biased because you never buy any ATI cards and support their efforts.
I'm not so sure ATI would love you more if they read all the posts where you cut them down at every opportunity.
Bias has nothing to do with $$$, it has to do with attitude. You can't BUY your way out of a bias. It's been a LONG time since I've flamed Nvidia. I think it was back when they were caught cheating at 3DMark.
As for flaming you, all I do is attempt to provide a counterpoint to your biased FUD. There are new members here who might actually believe some of what you say if somebody wasn't there to refute it.
Aquila76
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Ronin
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I don't think it is, certainly not based on my results. That being said, if it IS real, then he's going to have some serious issues about receiving stuff pre NDA after this. I have NDAs from both companies, and can certainly see to it that others are removed.
I have yet to see an instance where he was wrong. He very well might be but I sincererly doubt it. Sorry.
Also I doubt he is going to get in trouble for this. Infact he asks to release this information with the cooperation of the people he has signed the NDA with. Everything he does is quite legal.
Unless you have physical proof that he's lying (which you cant reveal) then his information is 100% legimate, as it always has been and *will* stand as the status-quo.
Ronin
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And people like you are the ones that annoy me, that find ways to justify such actions.
We'll see soon enough, as I'll be making phone calls very shortly.
Your lack of time spent here, and your inability to provide any sort of validation of information, means your comments hold no weight here. I don't care what you think about this schmuck, or his results. If he's under NDA, he's violating it, period. They don't selectively allow people to break NDA. It doesn't work that way, and you are obviously unaware of such things.
We'll see soon enough, as I'll be making phone calls very shortly.
Your lack of time spent here, and your inability to provide any sort of validation of information, means your comments hold no weight here. I don't care what you think about this schmuck, or his results. If he's under NDA, he's violating it, period. They don't selectively allow people to break NDA. It doesn't work that way, and you are obviously unaware of such things.
I am wondering if the ultra chip will be 32 pipe enabled like the radeon is likley to be. ( I know that the G70 has only 24 physical.........but what about a slightly different chip) If 9000 is what to expect from an ultra then imust say that it sounds a bit dissapointing.
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