G70 does 7703 in 3DMark05

[zendari]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: apoppin
what some here are failing to realize is ALL the 7800 needs to do is soundly trounce the X850xt-pe at a similar price.
[without killing the 6800u sli numbers cause 'nVidia still needs to get rid of old stock]

For now, until the R520 comes out.

of course . . . that's why the Ultra hasn't been announced [or finalized] . . . expect that card in the Fall [and of course, the Ultra OC to match or 'edge' the r520xtpe]

$500 seems reasonable for the "fastest" card . . . isn't the x850xtPe at that price now? and the 512MB versions of current gen cards are MUCH more. :Q

$500 is reasonable yeah, but these 24 pipe cards aren't a worthy upgrade from a 6800 GT IMO. Its the 32 pipe monsters that everyone thinks is coming now (and which in reality won't come until late this year at the earliest) that are the true upgrades IMO.

The 7800 GT should really be named the 6900. Nvidia is lucky that this comes at a time when people are transitioning from AGP to PCIE, otherwise I know I wouldn't turn an eye at these 24 pipe cards at all, and I doubt a lot of people would either.

Still though, rather than pay $500 for a not so big upgrade 7800 GT, the more important part of this is pushing the 6800 GT down. It's already a good deal at $300 right now (for the AGP version), hopefully it comes down to $250 or so. The 9700 and 9800 Pros certainly became cheaper once the XT came out.

I have no doubt Nvidia has a 32 pipe card in the works somewhere to come out at the end of this year, but plunking down $5-600 for a 24 pipe 7800 GT now seems to me like plunking down $500 for a 9800 XT at the beginning of 2004 with the NV40 due in 6 months. :disgust:

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: zendari

I have no doubt Nvidia has a 32 pipe card in the works somewhere to come out at the end of this year, but plunking down $5-600 for a 24 pipe 7800 GT now seems to me like plunking down $500 for a 9800 XT at the beginning of 2004 with the NV40 due in 6 months. :disgust:

most likely the size of a 32 pipeline would be too large to be produced on 110nm, so the Ultra wouldn't be launched until nVidia has 90 nm in place.

 

[Genx87]

Who knows. If you're referring to the 512mb X800XL, most likely ATI's Marketing Dept had a big hand in THAT decision. Probably the same reason there are 256mb GeForce FX5200's in existence. To trick the unknowledgeable buyer into thinking more must be better.

I am referring to crossfire for X800 cards.

Why?

 

[sparkz]

When are people going to realize that benching these new high end cards at a paltry default setting of 1024x768 no AA is useless? I would rather be more interested with scores benched at higher res (1600x1200) and see how it scales from 1024x768

 

[trinibwoy]

A bit OT but for those worried about G70 power consumption:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5006121&postcount=225

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Who knows. If you're referring to the 512mb X800XL, most likely ATI's Marketing Dept had a big hand in THAT decision. Probably the same reason there are 256mb GeForce FX5200's in existence. To trick the unknowledgeable buyer into thinking more must be better.

I am referring to crossfire for X800 cards.

Why?

I'd say it's for those people who want Crossfire and already have an X800 series card. Will it be $500 for the Master card? Will a single R520 perform closely enough to a pair of X800 cards to make it silly to purchase the X800 Master card? How much is the X800 Master card and how much will an R520 be?

Why would ATI release a 500 dollar SKU if the R520 is right around the corner?

I don't think anybody can answer your question until we know more about X800 Crossfire performance, R520 performance and pricing on both.

 

[Steelski]

I was really thinking that with Nvidia being involved with the PS3 it would have a much higher score. Were they not stating that the RSX would be more powerful than two 6800's sli'd.....at 550MHZ+ 1400Mhx Ram
It seems resonable to belive that this is correct as the G70 is almost the same as the RSX, Just with lower clocks.

I personally think that ATI and Nvidia are working together on this one.
We all see how the market was damaged last time.....High prices because of lower availability. Before anybody says that ATI had trouble supplying. Please look at the Steam statistics that state that ATI has a lot more XT PE's sold than the big N has ultras.
Anyway, I think that both companies will concentrate on high yield parts. both with 24pipes enabled. N=24 hard Ati = 32 hard and only 24 enabled.
Seems resonable to belive that they would want the market to calm down a bit.


7700 is a bit too low though to warent an upgrade from last gen.

 

[Ronin]

Didn't read the whole thing, and don't care.

The scores reported by the Inq are wrong. Period. End of story.

You'll see the real results in 5 days.

 

[rise]

on nooooo, it won't even hit 7500!!!

j/k

thanks ronin, i know you can't say anything which kinda sux for us and i'm sure equally for you. i just can't wait for the damn thing to be gere.

 

[imported_Pressure]

The most important thing to me right now is the price. How much is this sucker going to cost? I want to know! I can't wait 5 more days it's driving me nuts.

 

[ryanv12]

hey Ronin, have any idea about when the AGP versions are coming out?

 

[Ronin]

If I were to make a conjecture, I'd say 2-3 months after this release, but that's just an estimation.

 

[imported_Pressure]

Is it going to be uber expensive?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
ATI has nothing that comes close to competing.

Crossfire?




R520?









Bueller?

Crossfire? Vaporware. SM2 and more expensive when it's not.

R520? MIA Vaporware.

You'll have benchmarks and by all accounts be able to BUY 7800s next week.
They will have no competition, sort of like I said? Tough times for ATI Creig, too bad you're such a nV hater.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Crossfire? Vaporware. SM2 and more expensive when it's not.

R520? MIA Vaporware.

You'll have benchmarks and by all accounts be able to BUY 7800s next week.
They will have no competition, sort of like I said? Tough times for ATI Creig, too bad you're such a nV hater.

Vaporware? I think you better cut back on that bourbon. You're obviously not thinking too clearly.

vaporware

<jargon> /vay'pr-weir/ Products announced far in advance of
any release (which may or may not actually take place).

I would hardly describe either Crossfire or R520 as "vaporware" and I doubt any sane member of Anandtech would either. Both have been displayed as working models and should see retail channels in the next couple of months.

As far as competition, we'll have to wait for the benchmarks. But from all I've read, the R520 has more powerful specifications than the G70.

I don't know where you get that I'm an "Nv hater". I sincerely hope that both ATI and Nvidia put out good products. But you're definitely an ATI hater. I don't know why you even bother trying to appear neutral anymore. Everybody here knows you for what you really are.

Perhaps you need to sober up a bit more before you post anything else.

 

[ronnn]

Nvidia will have quite an advantage being first out of the gate. Lets hope that Rollo is as accurate about the r520 as he was about the x800xl. He assurred us that it would not be for sale at mrsp for at least a year...... :beer:

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: trinibwoy
The guys at B3D are hinting that the relatively low score is due to the vertex fetch limitation of 3dmark05 which doesn't apply to games and should affect the R520 similarly. As always, time will tell.....

Isn't it strange that we've only had 3dmark05 benchmark leaks and none from games - and people say it's not important

Holy cow really the R520 is already over 10,000

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: Intelia
Holy cow really the R520 is already over 10,000

I see a lot of people quoting this. What was the original source of that score?

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
ATI has nothing that comes close to competing.

Crossfire?




R520?









Bueller?

Crossfire? Vaporware. SM2 and more expensive when it's not.

R520? MIA Vaporware.

You'll have benchmarks and by all accounts be able to BUY 7800s next week.
They will have no competition, sort of like I said? Tough times for ATI Creig, too bad you're such a nV hater.

You can only call them vapourware once its been past its release date.

They havent even gotten that far yet and your calling it vapourware?

Ok youll be able to buy 7800 next week. But umm someone has to be first. Of course there will be competition but the R520 will be a month down the road, i see no problem in that. Competition is also in the form of the X850XTPE and the 6800U also. And if what these rumours that have been circulation are true in the end. Then well the competition might have the upper hand slightly.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
OH NO!!!! Now all the Nvidia zealots are going to say that NV40 was an amazing design in the first place, so simply adding more pipes and vertex shaders and higher memory and keeping everything else the same is OK since it has SM3.0 already. But but...but R420 is just a dumbed down R300 they screamed back in the days. Time to run for cover...

Don't you think it's a little early to be claiming they kept everything else the same when no one who knows can tell us yet?

Hypothetically speaking, even if your rumor is true, if these cards deliver 6800GT SLI level performance on one card, or close to it, and sell for $560MSRP, run on any PCIE motherboard, with single slot cooling you think that is somehow a "bad" thing?

LOL- I've got news for you- ATI won't be selling many cards till R520 is released if the above is true. If they can get these parts out the door in enough quantity for there to be vendor competition- I predict some serious nVidia ownage in the months to come.

If I were ATI, I'd be sweating like that guy in "Office Space" whose cube keeps shrinking. What do they think? People are going to buy ULI based motherboards, master/slave cards and dongles to get a little better (maybe) SM2 performance? I sort of doubt it.

Ya right Cross fire looks good better than sli. Verdicts not in on that. Also as soon as Ati is sure Nvidia has nothing better to offer R520 will be out. Ati is playing there hand very well I would say. R520 10,000 in mark 05 your right I see some serious ownage here. I was hoping G70 was faster to force Ati to run 32 pipes it well be 24 now dammit

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: trinibwoy

Originally posted by: Intelia
Holy cow really the R520 is already over 10,000

I see a lot of people quoting this. What was the original source of that score?

Inquirer I believe.

What do all the Nvidia fanbois think of them reusing the NV40? They b*tched out ATI for rehashing the R300 design.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: trinibwoy

Originally posted by: Intelia
Holy cow really the R520 is already over 10,000

I see a lot of people quoting this. What was the original source of that score?

God I don't know its posted here at the forums I really don't pay that much att. to prerelease stuff . others here well post you a link

 

[IamTHEsnake]

Rollo


Don't be a biased fool. I see the strategy presented by ATi to be a smart one. In order to ensure top performance, waiting 1 month and being outsold is better than being outsold for x amount of months after both cards are out. Having the better product in the end, results in sales.


I for one will probably buy the 7800 top of the line that is available next week as I am building a computer for the end of june and need a vid card, so no, I am not biased in my opinion.

Rollo, start weening yourself off the nVidi-pills and try to keep more of an open mind.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
I like to argue with Rollo and flame nVidia.

Well said Creig. At least you're honest.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: IamTHEsnake
Rollo


Don't be a biased fool. I see the strategy presented by ATi to be a smart one. In order to ensure top performance, waiting 1 month and being outsold is better than being outsold for x amount of months after both cards are out. Having the better product in the end, results is sales.


I for one will probably buy the 7800 top of the line thats available next week as I am building a computer for the end of june and need a vid card, so no, I am not biased in my opinion.

Rollo, start weening yourself off the nVidi-pills and try to keep more of an open mind.

Watch and wait, what I have said here will prove to be true. If ATI could have put out a 32 pipe SM3 card by now, they would have done it because they are taking a total beating in high end sales, and times are about to get tougher.

Crossfire will be largely DOA till R520 arrives, and when that happens, I'll give ATI their due and probably buy a R520. (unlike many who call me "biased"- not you in particular Iamthesnake) :roll: