G70 does 7703 in 3DMark05
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I agree, that is kind of disappointing for a new $500 card. Single 6800 Ultras are already in the high 5000's, maybe even near 6000, aren't they?
/me waits for real benchmarks (and R520) before making a decision
/me waits for real benchmarks (and R520) before making a decision
The guys at B3D are hinting that the relatively low score is due to the vertex fetch limitation of 3dmark05 which doesn't apply to games and should affect the R520 similarly. As always, time will tell.....
Isn't it strange that we've only had 3dmark05 benchmark leaks and none from games - and people say it's not important
Isn't it strange that we've only had 3dmark05 benchmark leaks and none from games - and people say it's not important
Unfortunately, the Inquirer didn't give specifics. If the scores are at 1600x1200 with AA/AF, I would definitely be impressed. But I'm worried that it was at 1024x768 and AA/AF off :brokenheart:
nvidia couldn't release a card that wouldn't do much better than an X850XT, there has to be something up there. Either way I'd take all this info with a grain of salt and wait till the real benchmarks come out.
it may not even be true...ill still not believe this 100% till anand gets one to test
and like trinibwoy said, 3D mark has that limitation which i presume games wont have. 3D mark scores mean diddly squat to me
and even if the score only increases a small bit, its no biggy if the GPU can be running games in max res with AA and AF with small performance hit
we may not see a massive jump in just raw power, but i think we'll see a good gain to AA and AF performance
R520 sounds impressive though, but i read some where that it still harks back to the good old R300 design....with SM3 mixed in
and like trinibwoy said, 3D mark has that limitation which i presume games wont have. 3D mark scores mean diddly squat to me
and even if the score only increases a small bit, its no biggy if the GPU can be running games in max res with AA and AF with small performance hit
we may not see a massive jump in just raw power, but i think we'll see a good gain to AA and AF performance
R520 sounds impressive though, but i read some where that it still harks back to the good old R300 design....with SM3 mixed in
blckgrffn
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Driver revisions usually bring massive help to benches like 3dMark. Like them or dislike them, the scores we all put this up against are made by those very tweaked drivers. I bet drivers alone will bring another 1,000 points again. Didn't people see some pretty stellar increases in 3dMark performance with different drivers? I know at one point I saw a 600 point jump with my 6800.
Grain of salt w/this anyway, I agree...
Grain of salt w/this anyway, I agree...
Definitely all rumor and inuendo at this point. The Inquirer has waffled back and forth. First they said the 7800 got its name due to its 3DMark05 score, then a few days later they claimed that it would do a lot better than 7800. Now they report two tests showing sub-7800 performance. I'm not counting the 7800 out by any means, just hoping that true game performance proves to be closer to what I want in my next card.
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Every single internal combustion car engine still shares its design with the first one of its kind. I could care less if R520 or G70 is made using 2000BC design. If it gives high framerates, that's all that matters. The corvette has leaf-spring suspension (used in carriages in the 19th century). Does it mean that Corollas 10x more sophisticated MacPherson strut suspension makes it a better handling sports car? It is not necessarily the design that matters, but the final outcome. If R520 is nothing but R300 with SM3.0 but it smokes G70, who cares? Besides with HD264 acceleration and so on, I doubt this isn't a significantly tweaked design at least.
3dmark05 score - someone asked...here 1024x768 noAA.
The score is definately unimpressive. Have to see what real gaming benches are like. It'd be disappointing if the performance increases are only 30-40% as in geforce 3 ---> 4 era, given that videocards are now released 12-15 months apart or longer (due to availability issues).
Bah! Only 8 days ago, the Inquirer claimed:
If the R520 scores over 10k, it will blow away the G70...but as we can see here, the Inquirer is wrong as often as it is right.
exactly...assuming this is true, todays arcitectures are built for awesome REAL world preformance...not extreme clock speeds that3dmark likes....
they focus on pipes and things nowadays
Well, the score is impressive considering there aren't any REAL drivers out for the card, plus maybe there will be a 32 pipeline version of the 7800 cards. They didn't double the pipes like the R520 did over some of the x800 cards, so you can't expect double the performance.
But yeah, it is slightly disappointing...I wonder if that 7800 was OCed or not...that could make a difference.
Still, I'll wait until I get more official scores.
But yeah, it is slightly disappointing...I wonder if that 7800 was OCed or not...that could make a difference.
Still, I'll wait until I get more official scores.
maybe this is the vanilla low end g70? sorta like a 6800Nu of this gen. Its a bit faster than the 5950U high end of two gens ago but its the low end of this gen?
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Oh boy.....I sure hope it's not an overclocked card. If G70 scored 7700 marks in 3dmark05 overclocked, it'll be a major flop.
Sure 3dmark05 or any of them don't tell you EXACTLY how gaming performance will be. But if a card scores 2000 in 3dmark05, you know for a fact it's too slow for today's games given that today's cards are in 5000/6000 range. A score still can indicate a rough performance potential of the card. Generally if a card scores 10000, you can expect it to be 2x as fast as 6800Ultra in games -- the raw performance of the card is there to give 10000 points. So it's not going to go anywhere in real world game benchmarks. As much as people hate 3dmark benches, they show time and time over which card is the most adept at handling shaders and intensive graphics (ie. ATI cards in nature scene, 9800Pro>5900 series, x800xt > 6800U). Even though the difference isnt great and it depends on the game (opengl whatever), generally the higher the score in 3dmark03/05 benches, the more the videocard is capable of handling higher shader intensive games -- that is where ati cards continue to slightly lead, each generation from 9700Pro. But it certainly wont tell you whether or not you can get 100 frames in Quake 4 or Unreal 3.
interesting analogy but i dont think you can apply it here as such. yes todays engines share the same basic principle of pistons moving up n down (bar mazda rotary jobs) but theres surely more leaway in design when it comes to GPU's
im not saying that its a bad thing being based off the R300, i think the R300 was and is still a stellar architecture....and well if it aint broke why fix it?
If the image is correct, it says the card is a G70 GTX, unfortunately. Anyway how the hell do these products get over to Chinese speculation sites before they get to US ones? NVIDIA and ATI are in North America...do these people steal the cards from somewhere or do they just leak NDAs like there's no tomorrow?
The settings: http://www.hardspell.com/pic/2005/6/14/dec77177-5528-4cbd-b2e1-6c98235133b2.jpg
The settings: http://www.hardspell.com/pic/2005/6/14/dec77177-5528-4cbd-b2e1-6c98235133b2.jpg
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