G70 does 7703 in 3DMark05

[xtknight]

Gamingphreek:

It was stated the test was run on an overclocked Athlon 64 FX-57. I believe they also had CPUID screenshots.

3DMark05 will represent how good games a year or two from now will run on this card, not the games today. Unlike Futuremark, game developers just can't keep up with all the latest technology as soon as it comes out. After all, they have to focus on making the game work well too. That said, 3DMark WILL be a good benchmark for future games, but it's not very representative of games today. Games today would need something between 3DMark03 and 3DMark05. What happened to 3DMark04?

Well what do you mean by games not playing faster, but AA, AF, and HDR being faster? If AA, AF, and HDR are faster, and you have them on, the game will be faster? Maybe you are trying to say there'll be an imbalance of performance across the board. Like shaders may not exhibit an astronomical performance increase, while AA/AF/HDR easily run faster.

 

[Gamingphreek]

It was stated the test was run on an overclocked Athlon 64 FX-57. I believe they also had CPUID screenshots.

That test was proven false because of a Photoshopped pic of the G70 core. Even Ronin confirmed that that picture was not correct.

3dMark 05 holds no weight except bragging rights. Anyone can design a card (or Drivers) that allow scores far exceeding anything posted. Read my previous post about why i dont think dMark will be a good indicator.

Maybe you are trying to say there'll be an imbalance of performance across the board. Like shaders may not exhibit an astronomical performance increase, while AA/AF/HDR easily run faster.

Exactly Sorry i didn't make that too clear.

-Kevin

 

[imported_X]

More results in.. Looks like with higher clocked Gainward SLI and an FX57, you can get up to 13,000 in 3DMark05:

NOT ALL Geforce 7800GTX will come at the same clock and we learned that USA based BFG company is planning to clock its babies at 460 MHz core and 1300 MHz memory. Default Nvidia clock is 430 / 1200 MHz of course.

Powered with still to be announced FX57 CPU clocked at 2.8 GHz this card can push 8500 in 3Dmark while default brother scores 7600 on slower but now available AMD CPU. In SLI mode FX57 with two BFG cards machine can reach 13000 while default clocked card while older AMD CPU will get you 11200 only.

I guess that 13000 should be the fastest non overclocked result and they will be able to clock both cards and CPU higher to get some better results. Who will be the first to get to 20000 3Dmark's 05.

Cards are available in less than a two days time and FX57 should come very soon as well. I smell that Gainward can do even more than that but that?s just me thinking loud with some water cooling in my mind.

Did I mention that FX57 will be available in retail, just after release, later this week ?

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

lol RS, you're making my heavily OC'ed 9600 feel bad (in an m6805).

 

[Gamingphreek]

Im beginning to get the feeling that the Inquirer really has no idea what they are talking about, and that they are simply churning out story after story simply for money.

Is the NDA lifted at 12:00 AM or a specific time tomorrow. Im going to be up just long enough to see some official reviews .

-Kevin

 

[imported_X]

The NDA is lifted on Wednesday, 7:00 a.m. British standard time. I believe that translates to Wednesday, 1:00 a.m. Central in the U.S.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: X
The NDA is lifted on Wednesday, 7:00 a.m. British standard time. I believe that translates to Wednesday, 1:00 a.m. Central in the U.S.

No it isn't. The card is released tomorrow. Why would the NDA be there a full day after the official release

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: X
The NDA is lifted on Wednesday, 7:00 a.m. British standard time. I believe that translates to Wednesday, 1:00 a.m. Central in the U.S.

No it isn't. The card is released tomorrow. Why would the NDA be there a full day after the official release

-Kevin

the card is actually realeased day-after-tomorrow - after the nda expires [according to what's published]

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: X
The NDA is lifted on Wednesday, 7:00 a.m. British standard time. I believe that translates to Wednesday, 1:00 a.m. Central in the U.S.

No it isn't. The card is released tomorrow. Why would the NDA be there a full day after the official release

-Kevin

the card is actually realeased day-after-tomorrow - after the nda expires [according to what's published]

It would make some sense that the NDA is not lifted till after the release event tomorrow night.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: X
The NDA is lifted on Wednesday, 7:00 a.m. British standard time. I believe that translates to Wednesday, 1:00 a.m. Central in the U.S.

No it isn't. The card is released tomorrow. Why would the NDA be there a full day after the official release

-Kevin

the card is actually realeased day-after-tomorrow - after the nda expires [according to what's published]

It would make some sense that the NDA is not lifted till after the release event tomorrow night.

Geforce 7800GTX in retail, starting from Wednesday

The guys will have three to five different flavours of the card and will have them on Wednesday morning ready to ship.

We learned that the OcUK guys will have BFG, Leadtek and XFX 7800GTX cards and that?s what people have been talking in various places and forums. We know that those cards have been in stock for a while but there will be no announcement before [Nvidia lifts its NDA's, on Wednesday, 7 AM UK, BST/B] ? British Standard Time

 

[Gamingphreek]

So if this is the case, will we see the reviews tomorrow? If the card is released officially what happens then?

-Kevin

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
So if this is the case, will we see the reviews tomorrow? If the card is released officially what happens then?

-Kevin

No reviews till June 22nd 1:00AM EST.

 

[apoppin]

7 AM UK ? British Standard Time - on wednesday

whatever that translates to wherever you are in the world

THEN you will have more reviews than you can handle

Hint's it's 3 am right now GMT or 7PM PDT [-8 hours] . . . if you are on the USA's West Coast, it'll be 3AM on wed . . . but get some rest . . . the best reviews are up in the morning [wed]

edited for my confusion

 

[Regs]

Gamingphreek, you might be onto something about the PPU. Don't get caught up with everybody screaming NDA NDA! Most people should know that the agreements were signed months ago. For some technologies, the NDA's are agreed upon a full year before they arrive if not more. As you notice, the PPU got only a sneak peak introduction at anandtech a few months back. Not much information on it, was there?

And Intel's and AMD's sudden push on dual cores and IBM's Cell. Only leads to more speculation. nVidia's announcement of multithreaded drivers...marketing...more speculation. Who knows what's to come in the upcoming months.

But I stated at the beginning of the year, I know this was the start of what's to be an exciting period of developer advancement.

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: apoppin
7 AM UK ? British Standard Time - on wednesday

whatever that translates to wherever you are in the world

THEN you will have more reviews than you can handle

Hint's it's 3 am right now GMT or 7PM PDT [-8 hours] . . . if you are on the USA's West Coast, it'll be 3AM on wed . . . but get some rest . . . the best reviews are up in the morning [wed]

edited for my confusion

May want to edit that again. By my math, it'll be 11PM Tuesday night on the west coast, and 2AM Wednesday on the east coast.

That's why Ronin has been saying the 21st instead of the 22nd like everything else. He's on the west coast. It'll be lifting on the 21st for him, just 11PM on the 21st.

Looks like I'll be up late tomorrow to read those reviews!

 

[apoppin]

you're probably right . . . i'm too sleepy to figure it out now.

ANYWAY, <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24429">
The NVIDIA GeForce 7800GTX (also known as "G70") has been quietly shipping to vendors for several days already in anticipation for the launch of the card this week. Inevitably, some manufacturers have jumped the gun and released specifications and pricing on the card a little early. Our Real Time Price Engine picked this up a few days ago:</a>

http://labs.anandtech.com/search.php?q=7800gtx
eVGA Geforce 7800GTX 256MB: $649.00 + 8.00 s&h at MWave

Unfortunately, it seems the vendor has pulled the product, but decided to leave the some of the specifics like clock speed on the page in a PDF (direct link here). Hopefully, $649 isn't really the price.

gnite

 

[Avalon]

Ahh, one more damn, long day.

 

[Pete]

Ronin made a lot of fuss about The Inq's reporting of alleged 7800GTX 3DM05 scores being wrong. I'm curious why he said that. Unless Hardspell went to a lot of trouble to pull a very elaborate ruse, the numbers look reasonable, and they mesh with what The Inq reported.

Anyway, from what I could glean from the pics, the tech in the 7800 looks cool. It's more than just a refresh, which is nice. I think they even moved to two full pixel shader ALUs per "pipe" and separated the texture processor, which should prove very handy in newer titles.

BTW, check out how astonishingly nV has improved CMR05 performance (at 16x12, the least CPU or bandwidth-limited tested setting). I wonder if that's related to the texture processor? Surely CMR doesn't have enough shaders that the extra ALU made the difference?

 

[imported_X]

Yes, I'm still wondering about Ronin's angle as well. Everything we've seen so far seems to confirm the Inquirer's estimates of 7800 performance. Hopefully the card has potential we haven't seen yet...I guess we'll find out in the next day

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: X
Yes, I'm still wondering about Ronin's angle as well. Everything we've seen so far seems to confirm the Inquirer's estimates of 7800 performance. Hopefully the card has potential we haven't seen yet...I guess we'll find out in the next day

Dont hold your breath. There are actual reviews coming out from China. You can expect 7600~7800 from a stock GTX on 3d05. Nothing has changed.

 

[rise]

the inquirers source was hardspell. they linked them before.

i'm not saying whats right or wrong, the hardspell review is complete now and more than a screenie of the 3d05 score they showed before.

 

[imported_X]

Sentential, I was referring to those reviews in my comment. Just saying that while I doubt Ronin is right about the reviews underestimating performance, I hope that he is.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Pete
Ronin made a lot of fuss about The Inq's reporting of alleged 7800GTX 3DM05 scores being wrong. I'm curious why he said that. Unless Hardspell went to a lot of trouble to pull a very elaborate ruse, the numbers look reasonable, and they mesh with what The Inq reported.

Anyway, from what I could glean from the pics, the tech in the 7800 looks cool. It's more than just a refresh, which is nice. I think they even moved to two full pixel shader ALUs per "pipe" and separated the texture processor, which should prove very handy in newer titles.

BTW, check out how astonishingly nV has improved CMR05 performance (at 16x12, the least CPU or bandwidth-limited tested setting). I wonder if that's related to the texture processor? Surely CMR doesn't have enough shaders that the extra ALU made the difference?

Pete could you explain some of that. I have an idea what you are talking about but dont really understand it.

-Kevin

 

[Pete]

Heh, which part? The second paragraph is about nV apparently improving theoretical shader ops per clock by separating the texture processor from the first ALU (see the first picture in this great article) and beefing both ALUs up somehow (I'm sure we'll know more from AT's/B3D's/Hexus'/TR's reviews). So, more shader power.

The third is about how much better the 7800 performed in both Colin McRae Rally and Tomb Raider in HardSpell's benchmarks: way over theoretical pipeline count and core clock, at first glance. I was wondering whether that was due to the separate texture processor freeing up the first ALU, or one or both ALUs becoming more capable (either way, more pixel shader ops per clock).

 

[Ronin]

Did you ever stop to think that some of these cards were provided at lower than retail spec speeds? There's some food for thought for you.

Not that 2k5 is a representation of anything but a sythentic (and worthless, in my opinion) benchmark. Try using something that scales to your PC as a whole, such as Aquamark, and use THAT as a reference. If you want to use a crappy benchmark that can't even utilize what's offered in the 7800, more power to you, but you'll only end up disappointed.