Former boyfriend used Craigslist to arrange woman's rape

[JohnOfSheffield]

But they did have a previous agreement!!! (or so he thought) - that is the point that makes it all sketchy.

Is it negligent? Sure, but can you convict him of rape? I'm not so sure.

Son, you can't pic one sentence out of my post and go with that.

Go the fuck away and stay the fuck away, troll.

 

[rhino56]

But they did have a previous agreement!!! (or so he thought) - that is the point that makes it all sketchy.

Is it negligent? Sure, but can you convict him of rape? I'm not so sure.

so if someone imed you and said come and rape me im at this address, you would be like okay, seems legit. LOL

 

[zerocool84]

Son, you can't pic one sentence out of my post and go with that.

Go the fuck away and stay the fuck away, troll.

You didn't read the whole article. They were im'ing and they both talked back and forth about what to do and she gave him his address also. Seems consensual to me.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

And afghanistan is where you should stay..

you belong with the mentally unstable pychos down there in that country. you must fit in perfectly.

what were you in prison for? lemme guess... mental unbalance.

did you tell this to your recruiting officer when you enlisted in the UK army? that you were mentally unstable?

Yeah, i'm not down with rape so i shouldn't be in a civilised society... YEAH.

I'm a Captain, TFB SAS, not Army sonny boy, i've been doing this for a good 20 years.

Perhaps it's just that in my day, we treated women as women should be treated, we didn't think of them the same way, they wanted us, we wanted them and we got together. Nowdays, rape seems to be the only way to connect, well in the US you might get away with it, in the UK, you'll not only get sentenced, sex criminals don't get out of UK prisons.

 

[SirStev0]

so if someone imed you and said come and rape me im at this address, you would be like okay, seems legit. LOL

From the article, they had multiple correspondence together where they both discussed their fantasy and developed a plan. He had no reason to believe he wasn't about to engage in a fantasy with another consenting adult.

 

[CanOWorms]

Personally i think that is going in the wrong direction, we need consent for most things and that should include sex, if not, then why not fuck an underage girl? Sure, she can't give consent legally but that doesn't matter?

If you have a passed out girl in your bed, you can fuck her without it being rape in the US? Seriously?

Pro consent is where the rest of the world are going, well except for the ME and the US then, i guess. Most of the EU nations have had pro consent laws for more than a decade, i thought the UK was late in the game...

I don't get "eliminated a consent requirement altogether" though, that can't be true. Rape would be legal if that was true.

Getting rid of consent has been historically viewed as a progressive and modern viewpoint.

Just because you get rid of consent doesn't allow your scenario with someone asleep on a bed to be ok. There is still force.

 

[SirStev0]

Getting rid of consent has been historically viewed as a progressive and modern viewpoint.

Just because you get rid of consent doesn't allow your scenario with someone asleep on a bed to be ok. There is still force.

You have to realize by now that he has no idea what you are talking about?

He is going completely on gut reaction and doesn't realize what you mean by getting rid of consent requirement.

 

[guyver01]

I'm a Captain, TFB SAS, not Army sonny boy

Hmm.. you sure you're in the british special forces? last i checked, SAS was the special forces unit of the British Army.

Me thinks perhaps you're nothing more than a 13 year old bloke in some slum outside of liverpool pretending to be a tough guy, cuz you get your ass kicked at "prep school" on a daily basis... so if you invent a tough guy image.. you'll actually be a tough guy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You didn't read the whole article. They were im'ing and they both talked back and forth about what to do and she gave him his address also. Seems consensual to me.

Whatever excuses you have to make to live with yourself are none of my business unless i cross your path.

Rape is a dispicable crime, only small people commit it to get the sense that they have power over someone, and by small people i mean obese twats who need self confirmation.

If i could line them all up and shoot them i would, i'd prefer a non direct lethal caliber like a supressed 22 long used for interrogations, six shots to the head and you still get to bleed to death.

 

[speg]

Son, you can't pic one sentence out of my post and go with that.

Go the fuck away and stay the fuck away, troll.

Why not? It is that key sentence which is the key to this whole story. The rest of your post pertained to the fact that this was their first time meeting. Since we don't know what they talked about prior we don't know how much he knew, maybe they did have safe-words. Maybe they did discuss it in detail. We don't know.

so if someone imed you and said come and rape me im at this address, you would be like okay, seems legit. LOL

As above, we do not know what was said. I have 'experimented' with Craigslist before and can confirm there is some pretty wild stuff out there.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You didn't read the whole article. They were im'ing and they both talked back and forth about what to do and she gave him his address also. Seems consensual to me.

Whatever excuses you have to make to live with yourself are none of my business unless i cross your path.

Rape is a dispicable crime, only small people commit it to get the sense that they have power over someone, and by small people i mean obese twats who need self confirmation.

If i could line them all up and shoot them i would, i'd prefer a non direct lethal caliber like a supressed 22 long used for interrogations, six shots to the head and you still get to bleed to death.

 

[speg]

trippppple post. ATOT broke on me

 

[zinfamous]

This was a Law and Order episode a year or two ago.

so now real life imitates L&O?

interesting....

 

[lupi]

Ok all you bickering people are forgetting the MOST important part:



If this is true and he can prove it then he has a case. You guys need to relax. I've played out a rape fantasy with someone before but no need to get into details.

they're not forgetting about it, just ignoring it so they can continue yelling at each other as if something they say is about to cause the earth to move. I asked about this a while again and it wen't untouched by the screamers.

 

[Sea Moose]

This was a Law and Order episode a year or two ago.

yeah i saw that episode too

 

[gorobei]

wow. so many armchair lawyers.

rape as i was taught under CA penal code generally followed along these lines.
elements required:
1) the sexual act (not in question the the case)
2) without consent, or victim is unable to give consent. (includes drunk, under the influence of drug, unconscious, mental retardation, under age, etc)

intent and mens rea for these types of felony are usually general intent. you do the act, then you had the intent. negligence is rarely an excuse.

for all those who think McDowel should go free: what happens if he gets the address wrong? barges into some neighbor's house and proceeds to rape resident. all the time the victim is saying "no". a reasonable person would stop. a reasonable person wouldnt be there in the first place.

a reasonable person would have met with the "supposed" sex partner beforehand (face to face) and made sure everything was kosher. what if a child was present when he barged in, should he have just gone thru with it? if a reasonable person would stop to check because the child being there was a red flag, then even if a child wasn't there you should be doing the due diligence on the consent.

that's why when JohnofSheffield says "no" is the final word, it is. if there is any doubt about consent, you are already looking to be treated as a rapist. better to spend a night alone than 6 months in court or more in prison.

 

[zerocool84]

Whatever excuses you have to make to live with yourself are none of my business unless i cross your path.

Rape is a dispicable crime, only small people commit it to get the sense that they have power over someone, and by small people i mean obese twats who need self confirmation.

If i could line them all up and shoot them i would, i'd prefer a non direct lethal caliber like a supressed 22 long used for interrogations, six shots to the head and you still get to bleed to death.

Unless you cross my path??? Oh big dog over here watch out. The girl I was with, it was here fantasy so you just need to settle down Napoleon. You're ignoring the fact that they talked about it prior many times im'ing prior to doing it.

 

[jlee]

I recall a similar incident a while back, where someone had arranged for a situation like this. The people who were supposed to "rape" the girl caught on when they showed up and she was (obviously) quite upset..the guy who set it up was caught. I can't remember when or where it was, though.

 

[Sea Moose]

W

If i could line them all up and shoot them i would, i'd prefer a non direct lethal caliber like a supressed 22 long used for interrogations, six shots to the head and you still get to bleed to death.

Dude, tone down the e-thug.

Also, SAS is part of the British Army, they are the pointier end of the stick tho

Just looking on the British Army website, SAS has a reservist unit, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT


I agree with you about rape. Rape is Bad mkay!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Why not? It is that key sentence which is the key to this whole story. The rest of your post pertained to the fact that this was their first time meeting. Since we don't know what they talked about prior we don't know how much he knew, maybe they did have safe-words. Maybe they did discuss it in detail. We don't know

Because it's out of context you stupid twat, the entire post makes an entire point what you piced out distorts the meaning of that post.

The previous sentence said that it should be agreed upon ther personal meeting.

If you don't get why, i can't help your fucked up brain, perhaps less crack would fix that for you?

 

[guyver01]

Also, SAS is part of the British Army, they are the pointier end of the stick tho

i'm telling ya.. he's not in the SAS.. he's some 13yr old punk in his bedroom at home.

cuz he even admitted to being in prison.

and last i knew, the SAS doesn't allow convicts to enlist.

so either he's making all this shit up... or he's lying.

either way.. he dont know squat.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Dude, tone down the e-thug.

Also, SAS is part of the British Army, they are the pointier end of the stick tho

Just looking on the British Army website, SAS has a reservist unit, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT


I agree with you about rape. Rape is Bad mkay!

Son, Special Air Service is a part of the British armed forces, not the British Army.

We're Airforce, not Army and no, SAS does not have a reservist unit you can become a member of, we're part of the RAF and THEY have a reservist unit, but you'd have to move to Wales to sign up for it.

I am no e-thug, i would have no problem saying any of it face to face but it's kind of a long way to go from Afghanistan just to clock some twat out.

 

[Sea Moose]

Son, Special Air Service is a part of the British armed forces, not the British Army.

We're Airforce, not Army and no, SAS does not have a reservist unit you can become a member of, we're part of the RAF and THEY have a reservist unit, but you'd have to move to Wales to sign up for it.

I am no e-thug, i would have no problem saying any of it face to face but it's kind of a long way to go from Afghanistan just to clock some twat out.

My pal guyver does not believe you are Sas.

Any proof?

http://www.army.mod.uk/specialforces/Special%20Air%20Service%20(Reserve).aspx

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

i'm telling ya.. he's not in the SAS.. he's some 13yr old punk in his bedroom at home.

cuz he even admitted to being in prison.

and last i knew, the SAS doesn't allow convicts to enlist.

so either he's making all this shit up... or he's lying.

either way.. he dont know squat.

You should ask several others who are with the armed forces on this forum on that one, along with others who have recieved news not available for weeks until after the fact.

I've even posted my full name, rank and service number at one time, i won't do it again but if you have any kind of brains you can find it.

I am who i say i am and you twats trying to justify rape by belitteling me as a nobody don't matter what so ever, it doesn't even matter if i would be someone else than who i am, rape isn't justified PERIOD.

And i'd gladly put my G3 to someone's face to show their brain stem the way out for those sick fucks who think it is ok to rape women.

 

[Raduque]

"i'll try to resist, i'll try to get away, i'll scream and cry no... but that's part of my fantasy.. keep going" ...

Well, if that were the case, obviously the woman should be killed by shotgun, according to LawyerofSheffield.

I think I'm going to just write him off as a complete idiot. A shame too, because previous posts by him seemed to be quite intelligent.