Former boyfriend used Craigslist to arrange woman's rape

[Raduque]

What do you expect would happen if they unwittingly started hosting underage porn?

Kiddie porn is illegal, rape fantasy want ads are not.

Apple != orange.

Edit:
Craigslist also has flagging. If something illegal pops up, chances are VERY DAMN HIGH the community will nuke is within minutes, if not seconds.

Torrent sites are geared almost entirely towards illegal content. If CL regularly had illegal content popping up that wasn't squashed almost immediately, then I'm sure CL would come under more judicial scrutiny.

 

[guyver01]

This is whats going on with the Torrent sites RIGHT NOW.

Torrent sites are intentionally hosting illegal, copywrited materials.
They are being shut down due to the DMCA.

Craigslist isn't hosting illegal, copywrited material.

 

[gorobei]

To clarify where this thread got derailed and we got into this pissing match:


John has not made issue with consensual roleplay, only the standards of discretion that some posters have indicated when they opined that McDowel was not guilty of a crime because he was deceived into thinking that the victim consented. The main argument being that McDowel had a picture and instant messages from the supposed woman, therefore "that" gave him the right to commit the "fake" rape(or at least freedom from prosecution).

Little hint here people: IM and e-mail are NOT LEGAL DOCUMENTS as far as this particular case is concerned.

John's hypotheticals are meant to point out the flawed logic posted by others that it is all right to plow right ahead with sex when the "partner" is screaming no, just because you have some IM(or offhand notion) that the person "wants it".

others have conflated and misinterpreted these analogies. hence the pissing match.

In most situations, and especially in sexual matters there are levels of reasonability and general caution that should be exercised. In the business world this is known as "due diligence". McDowel charged in ready to go(so to speak) based on what most reasonable people would call FLIMSY evidence. McDowel was negligent in the worst way. if he lived close enough to drive over and "rape" her, then a phone call certainly wouldn't be out of question. Not too much to expect to hear an actual woman talking about how much she wanted it. Or maybe meet at a coffee shop to break the ice. but "No", IM chat and a jpeg is enough to be "sure" it's all good (/sarcasm).

If a woman starts screaming "no" as you try to have sex, it is prudent to stop regardless of how much you think she wants it. S&M and other alt-sex require previous relationships and rules. Blind encounters like the case here, I would bet are verboten.

[just because you see it on craigslist doesnt mean it is legally binding. Just like the guy who found 100 people rummaging through his farm taking all his property because they saw a CL posting indicating a moving sale and everything was free.]

 

[SunSamurai]

Kiddie porn is illegal, rape fantasy want ads are not.

Apple != orange.

Uhh, it's not legal when its purported by someone NOT the person in question. Thats intent to commit a crime and borderline []D [] []v[] []D ' []\[]. Pay attention.

 

[Raduque]

Uhh, it's not legal when its purported by someone NOT the person in question. Thats intent to commit a crime and borderline []D [] []v[] []D ' []\[]. Pay attention.

What's with all the brackets?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

wow. so many armchair lawyers.

rape as i was taught under CA penal code generally followed along these lines.
elements required:
1) the sexual act (not in question the the case)
2) without consent, or victim is unable to give consent. (includes drunk, under the influence of drug, unconscious, mental retardation, under age, etc)

intent and mens rea for these types of felony are usually general intent. you do the act, then you had the intent. negligence is rarely an excuse.

for all those who think McDowel should go free: what happens if he gets the address wrong? barges into some neighbor's house and proceeds to rape resident. all the time the victim is saying "no". a reasonable person would stop. a reasonable person wouldnt be there in the first place.

a reasonable person would have met with the "supposed" sex partner beforehand (face to face) and made sure everything was kosher. what if a child was present when he barged in, should he have just gone thru with it? if a reasonable person would stop to check because the child being there was a red flag, then even if a child wasn't there you should be doing the due diligence on the consent.

that's why when JohnofSheffield says "no" is the final word, it is. if there is any doubt about consent, you are already looking to be treated as a rapist. better to spend a night alone than 6 months in court or more in prison.

Quoted for being the only reasonable and educated post in this train wreck of a thread.

 

[SunSamurai]

Torrent sites are intentionally hosting illegal, copywrited materials.
They are being shut down due to the DMCA.

Craigslist isn't hosting illegal, copywrited material.

Prove it was intentional.

And it is illegal material in light of what happened now isn't it.

 

[SunSamurai]

What's with all the brackets?

:awe:

 

[speg]

Torrent sites are intentionally hosting illegal, copywrited materials.
They are being shut down due to the DMCA.

Craigslist isn't hosting illegal, copywrited material.

And as mentioned, posting a rape fantasy is also not illegal. I can't believe some of the illogical jumping to conclusions that are going on in this thread.

ZOMG RAPE BAD BAD BAD JAIL 4 LIFE!!!

Yes, rape is bad. No one is condoning rape. We are simply questioning what happens when role playing isn't actually role playing.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I didn't say anything about them being responsible for what happened off their site. In fact, I said the damned opposite of that.

They are responsible for content on their website.

Make up your mind.

 

[Sea Moose]

Quoted for being the only reasonable and educated post in this train wreck of a thread.

Your biased, Mike

Spoiler

Gay

-ner is your bro


also, his wall of text needs cliffs


choice cus

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Your biased, Mike

Spoiler

Gay

-ner is your bro


also, his wall of text needs cliffs


choice cus

I wasn't quoting Gayner

Read the wall of text, it's worthwhile.

 

[Sea Moose]

I wasn't quoting Gayner

Read the wall of text, it's worthwhile.

I cant read!

 

[SunSamurai]

Make up your mind.

You should probably read every word of what you quoted, because I did not contradict myself.

In your defense the wording might be unclear. Off =! from in this case. It means not from. In the context it makes sense as we were discussing physical vs virtual.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I cant read!

Got a big version of your avatar? Looks interesting.

 

[Sea Moose]

Got a big version of your avatar? Looks interesting.

 

[guyver01]

Prove it was intentional.

LOL...

do you REALLY think Pirate Bay, Mininova, Deminoid, etc, started out saying "we'll host legitimate, non-copyrighted material" ???

do you REALLY believe that??

 

[SunSamurai]

The ocean + architecture looks like my city.

Sans the vulgar guy on fire, thats just during fiesta.

 

[SunSamurai]

LOL...

do you REALLY think Pirate Bay, Mininova, Deminoid, etc, started out saying "we'll host legitimate, non-copyrighted material" ???

do you REALLY believe that??

Is that what you would tell a judge? Because he would ask you to prove it too.

 

[guyver01]

Is that what you would tell a judge? Because he would ask you to prove it too.

Proof wouldn't be on me. Burden of proof would be on them to show what they were doing to REMOVE the illegal, copywrited material from their site, once served notice that it was illegal.

 

[sygyzy]

Does anyone remember the episode name, number or season for the Law and Order: SVU show?

 

[Wheezer]

This was a L&O SVU episode. It was based on someone who already did it. They guy doing the raping got off. The ex-BF got charged with rape.

Yup, I remember that episode....there just is no originality anymore.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

First of all, playing rape is a fucked up thing and anyone who wants to engage in that needs to be shot in the head, an 870 would probably do the job but an 8 gauge fowler would do it better, i would have no problems supplying that gun to such an individual.

Second, it's the legal word, if a woman says no, you stop, that is how the law works, it's not exclusive to the UK, it's the same in the US, of course some retards continue beyond that point and get charged with rape and cry about their 10 year sentence in court... me? nah.

A no is a no is a no is a no, best thing you can teach your daughter and best thing i ever taught both my son and daughter, a no is a no, PERIOD.

People need to play rape? Why? If it's not enough just to have sex, get another woman.

sexuality is something thats so black and white. read about it sometime before making stupid blanket statements.

 

[lxskllr]

LOL...

do you REALLY think Pirate Bay, Mininova, Deminoid, etc, started out saying "we'll host legitimate, non-copyrighted material" ???

do you REALLY believe that??

They don't host material, copyrighted or not.

 

[guyver01]

ahh... Chev Chelios