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Forced to Use Birth Bathroom

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Subyman said:
Let's say I don't get it and I tried researching. Please explain to me. What is the political agenda for gender fluidity? What is the goal?
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What is the goal of somebody like Angela Merkel trying to bring in a bunch of people that are known not to assimilate and don't really like you, or your religion?

Because Liberals want to give out hugs more than they want to use logic. They have no real basis for it.

Those that have basis might have nefarious agendas. Feminists want to destroy the patriarchy. What better way than to confuse the patriarchy and create effeminate "males".

Others just want to hug Otherkin.

Let me ask you a personal question, would you encourage a bridge jumper?
 
Jaskalas said:
Why should anyone recognize gender being different than biological sex?
I'd suggest a default position is that they are one in the same.
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Agreed. But some people simply don't identify with their actual sex/gender, for whatever reason, even to the point of seeking out irreversible surgery. Assuming mental illness can be ruled out, why keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole? There is no value in keeping these people unhappy, so where reasonable accommodation can be made, I think we should do it. We can certainly disagree on the line between reasonable and unreasonable accommodation, but surely we can all agree there is no value in keeping these people unhappy.

I don't want these issues forced on children, but if the price of someone being happy is an occasional bit of awkwardness for me going in and out of public restrooms or explaining some odd person seen in passing to a child or grandchild, that seems to me to be a small enough price for the rest of us to pay.
 
Jaskalas said:
Quite simple, never taught the academic meaning.

Because as far as anyone would be concerned it's the description of biological sex. Go ahead and fill out any form and Gender's two options are Male/Female. Reasoning for why that'd be? Because puritanicals hate that "dirty" word "sex". Let's make it something cleaner, something "kid friendly". Like darn for damn.

Who would give it a second thought?

That's exactly what it is. If we expand it out to mean "gender roll" then it's nothing more than a social construct to segregate by sex. It should be "wrong" and classified as mental illness to oppose one's biological sex in attempt to fit a different role.

To be mutilated for a gender roll... for a social construct? Sounds very unhealthy and entirely unnecessary. Finding ways for people to feel comfortable, to be happy in their natural body, is the correct pursuit. To accommodate it as normal... strikes a nerve.
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To what extent? Human physiology is extremely complicated, and we don't really know how to reconcile most transsexuals with their actual sex. I certainly agree that psychiatric help should be the first avenue pursued when someone is convinced they should be the other sex, but since we know we can't cure them all, why should they be condemned to a life of unhappiness while we try to help them? That isn't helping them at all.

If we are free creatures, then we each own ourselves, and while I think we owe each person due diligence to make sure they aren't undergoing radical surgery due to mental illness, after that each person should be free to seek happiness as he or she wishes.
 
Good grief, if you have a penis go here, if you have a vagina go here. It is that simple. The US has turned into a bunch of cry babies.
 
Atreus21 said:
Is it so hard to imagine a girl falling prey to a male predator who takes advantage of such silliness?
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It is hard to imagine a girl falling prey to a male predator when other women are around. If there is no one around but the girl and the male predator, he doesn't need a dress to go into the ladies' room. We may have a problem with pervs peeping or placing cameras - that occasionally happens even without laws establishing bathroom choice - but I doubt we'll see any real increase in predators defined as rape or molestation.

Mostly this is an issue of awkwardness. The trannie wants to be treated as his or her sex of choice, which if he/she passes is not an issue. Other people wish to avoid the awkwardness of seeing what is probably a man in the ladies' room or a woman in the men's room. I don't think the issue of predators really enters in either way. Other than peepers anyway. Definitely makes it easier for peepers.
 
And again, this is all about shitting. How about if the people freaking out just embrace their instincts and reject public bathrooms. Just head home and feel comfortable there.

Wahhh! The danger! The children! Grow up, you fucking pussies. They'll be fine.
 
Atreus21 said:
Is it so hard to imagine a girl falling prey to a male predator who takes advantage of such silliness?
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You think someone who disregards laws of sexual assault and rape is concerned about laws dictating which bathroom their sex can use? This has to be the same kind of idiocy for Conservatives that Liberals have when they think a "gun free zone" sign makes them "safer". If someone mentally ill is hell bent on raping your sweet innocent little daughter then I hardly think something like a girls room sign and a birth sex only law is going to act as an effective deterrent.
 
jackstar7 said:
And again, this is all about shitting. How about if the people freaking out just embrace their instincts and reject public bathrooms. Just head home and feel comfortable there.

Wahhh! The danger! The children! Grow up, you fucking pussies. They'll be fine.
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Yes... public toilets exist because no one needs to use them.

Genius! We've a genius over here!
 
Subyman said:
You'd probably want to replace "gender" with "sex." Gender is a role, while sex is a biological feature. Depending if you are a nature or nurture believer, the gender that a person is born as may be different than their biological sex. Such as a boy born with feminine inclinations.
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No, I meant specifically gender.

There are people born one sex, who truly are and feel themselves to be the opposite. Some people are even born with both sexual organs or a mix of both and it seems pretty clear to me they'd probably end up identifying and being one or the other that they truly felt they were.

I have no problem personally with people who from birth are actually the opposite gender as their bodies may indicate using the restroom, locker room, shower whatever as the sex they truly are.

That said... I think the boy who suddenly decides he's a girl for whatever reason should in a school situation still use the boy's room. To me that's a different situation.

I only see this issue as touchy in the case of children. I can't imagine the adult that spends 2 seconds worried about who uses the bathroom with them.

Its not like most public restrooms are 'sex rooms'. There's mostly nothing sexual or voyeuristic about most bathrooms. The biggest concern would be men in a ladies room ... but ladies don't stand at open urinals peeing right next to each other. For the most part there's nothing anyone's going to see. The mystique of the 'girls room' should have worn off even the most desperate loser perv in 3rd grade or so.

As for any man worried about women in the men's room... feh.

The whole issue is childishly silly to me in practical everyday terms.
 
werepossum said:
Mostly this is an issue of awkwardness.
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And that's a perfectly fine reason for the separation to exist. Most people want to feel comfortable during the private act of elimination, and there's less comfort to be had when strangers of the opposite sex are in the same room and stall next to you.

Mass washrooms have already been tried and were rejected by the vast majority.
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Strange how it's ALWAYS progressive pushing the issue (hard!) and they always want to remove the urinals and force men to sit...
 
Birth Bathrooms. That is so damn funny. And so damn silly.

How long has this not been a problem and now all of a sudden............ Stupid at it best.

Men, Women and Confused.
 
werepossum said:
I very much agree with these laws for schools; let them create separate accommodations for kids confused about their gender rather than forcing young girls to accept a boy in their locker rooms or showers. Adults should be able to cope, and laws assuming they cannot cope are just silly. Also, a man dressing as a woman to get into women's facilities and assault a woman is probably doing so intentionally rather than as part of a sex change, so I suspect they will not be affected by such laws. After all, rape is already punished rather more harshly than in likely for going into a non-birth gender restroom. (Unless I've REALLY overestimated the Republicans.) In any case, such assaults have to be a tiny minority. Assaulting a woman in the lady's room without going to prison requires a lack of witnesses, so the man's dress is pretty much irrelevant.
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All very reasonable and probably should be the end of this thread but it won't be.
 
Atreus21 said:
Is it so hard to imagine a girl falling prey to a male predator who takes advantage of such silliness?
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No, I think it will happen.

The only real reservation I have is that it should not be like that in schools. They're still minors and males/females should be in different bathrooms. Once 18+ I don't really care, I would and have pissed in front of a female. I don't sit when I pee so no biggie. They would be behind closed doors. Unless a man dressed as a woman is pissing in a urinal, which would be funny and not offensive to me anyways.

I do think it would be funny when the female bathroom line is so long to see a female use the men's just to piss and save time. The mall, movies, ball games, etc I am always waiting forever because our line is so much shorter. It would be so much harder for them to make a third bathroom in buildings that already exist, and very expensive. Then who pays for it? Tax payers, and a fight would be over people not wanting to pay for that either.

People are way more private it seems now days. Changing rooms at the gym/school they don't want to be naked in front of another. That used to be common but not anymore. I think this will only compound that if it expands to gym changing rooms. Or what if it goes to clothing store changing rooms? Some are male/female only as it is.
 
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I feel like we are approaching areas of society where we are pushing for the sake of pushing. Here is my opinion on the subject. There has be a line drawn somewhere. So my line is in schools keep boys and girls separate. And if there is somebody who is transgender or confused. Let them use a 3rd bathroom. Kids have enough to worry about than having to deal with this. And for adults? We are grown up enough to deal with it. And maybe at some point we drop the whole notion of separate bathrooms.
 
Genx87 said:
I feel like we are approaching areas of society where we are pushing for the sake of pushing. Here is my opinion on the subject. There has be a line drawn somewhere. So my line is in schools keep boys and girls separate. And if there is somebody who is transgender or confused. Let them use a 3rd bathroom. Kids have enough to worry about than having to deal with this. And for adults? We are grown up enough to deal with it. And maybe at some point we drop the whole notion of separate bathrooms.
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Consider this: would kids worry about it if it was the norm?

I posit that we just don't know.
 
How many of you all have children? Do you really want a guy in the bathroom while your 8 year old is in there as well? Common sense is gone.
 
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