Fly-by of Manhatten by Air Force One

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
[LOL red ass? Okie...

You never heard of that? That's what they call someone who's constantly pissed:laugh: Maybe it was a reach in your case, I apologize

Anywho... No, I don't see you defending the fly over, but I do see you trying to minimize the outcry. I'm saying that outcry would be deafening under a Republican admin. I'm not arguing with you over the validity of it, I'm just telling you how it is.

And?

BTW it's pretty deafening, at least in this forum.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: jbourne77
The whole incident was the product of a stupid, ill conceived idea followed up by piss poor communication.

I'm not sure the communication was piss poor, other than NYC staff to the mayor. There are security reasons they might not have publically announced the flight plan.

Especially because the low flight path would make it an easier target.

I was surprised how much New Yorker reacted to it, for what it's worth.

You were suprised by how much New York reacted? 9/11 is something everyone is reminded of almost daily. Personally I commute on 78 in NJ and everytime I drive back from work on the pulaski skyway I notice the fact that the twin towers are no longer in the NYC skyline, I am reminded 5 days a week. A lot of people died, hundreds of times more people were directly connected to a death, your apparent callousness is pretty sad.

I was in DC on 9/11, a block from the White House, a suspected target of the 4th plane, and one of my brothers-in-law was in the Pentagon when it was hit. Luckily, he got out fine. I agree with Craig234 here - New Yorkers are over-reacting to this.

To those whom are saying "whats the big deal about AF1 flying around NYC", check out the youtube videos.

I'm one of the first to criticize the post-9/11 climate of fear. But if I looked out my window and saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMoy8JprKI0

I think I would be scared poopless too (especially the portion from ~30 secs onward).

And for you Obamapoligizer-bots claiming it's not Obama's fault because he didn't know anything about it, you are full of crap. Obama is directly 100% in charge of where and what all the AF1 planes are doing at all times. It's not like some air force guy or even his chief of staff can just go out and say "let's take her out for a spin and a nice photo op". This would have had to be planned and approved by him from the beginning.

I have to defend Obama, he has never had good judgment, so this is no surprise.

Obama has time after time used bad judgment and it got him in office so why should he change.....

touche.

 

[LegendKiller]

I work directly across the street from the 2nd tallest building in Manhattan, I see its 30th floor out my window every day. I also see the ESB from my other window. I commute every day through GCT and my wife does the same and rides the subways down to Chelsea. When we lived in DC, she worked 2 blocs from the WH.

Personally, this whole thing is completely blown out of proportion.

In Aug 2007 a steampipe blew up in the intersection right underneath my window. Did I panic? No. I walked out of the building calmly, not running, but wondering where my wife was since she was supposed to be in the subways (she wasn't).

In Aug 2003, I was in NYC for a job interview. I ended up going to the ESB and was in the 2nd bank of elevators when the power went out, I was stuck in an elevator on the 82nd floor of the tallest building in Manhattan for an hour. I spent 2 hours walking down the stairs. I was calm the whole time, wondering what happened and worried about it, but not frantic or frazzled. I looked ahead at what I needed to do and did it, one foot in front of the other.

When it comes down to it, if you're going to go, you're going to go. No sense in being a pussy about it. If I had seen the plane, I'd have probably left the building too, but I wouldn't be apoplectic about the situation afterwards, no matter who the President was.

Anybody trying to make it an issue is simply an idiot. Take Budmanton for example, he's a right-wing control freak who wants to scare the shit out of people so he can control them. Look at his sig, he's all about control. He didn't control the election so now he wants to control the follow-up (he'll fail at that too).

Annoy a right-wing fascist control freak, don't bite your nails and choose freedom.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

To those whom are saying "whats the big deal about AF1 flying around NYC", check out the youtube videos.

I'm one of the first to criticize the post-9/11 climate of fear. But if I looked out my window and saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMoy8JprKI0

I think I would be scared poopless too (especially the portion from ~30 secs onward).

And for you Obamapoligizer-bots claiming it's not Obama's fault because he didn't know anything about it, you are full of crap. Obama is directly 100% in charge of where and what all the AF1 planes are doing at all times. It's not like some air force guy or even his chief of staff can just go out and say "let's take her out for a spin and a nice photo op". This would have had to be planned and approved by him from the beginning.

That's ridiculous. I would agree that in the end the buck stops with Obama, and that he is responsible for anything his administration does, but to say that Obama plans and approves the schedules of the various planes that are painted with the colors of Air Force 1 is absolutely absurd. If he DID 'plan and approve' this photo op, then he is grossly mismanaging his time, because this shit is way below his pay grade.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I work directly across the street from the 2nd tallest building in Manhattan, I see its 30th floor out my window every day. I also see the ESB from my other window. I commute every day through GCT and my wife does the same and rides the subways down to Chelsea. When we lived in DC, she worked 2 blocs from the WH.

Personally, this whole thing is completely blown out of proportion.

In Aug 2007 a steampipe blew up in the intersection right underneath my window. Did I panic? No. I walked out of the building calmly, not running, but wondering where my wife was since she was supposed to be in the subways (she wasn't).

In Aug 2003, I was in NYC for a job interview. I ended up going to the ESB and was in the 2nd bank of elevators when the power went out, I was stuck in an elevator on the 82nd floor of the tallest building in Manhattan for an hour. I spent 2 hours walking down the stairs. I was calm the whole time, wondering what happened and worried about it, but not frantic or frazzled. I looked ahead at what I needed to do and did it, one foot in front of the other.

When it comes down to it, if you're going to go, you're going to go. No sense in being a pussy about it. If I had seen the plane, I'd have probably left the building too, but I wouldn't be apoplectic about the situation afterwards, no matter who the President was.

Anybody trying to make it an issue is simply an idiot. Take Budmanton for example, he's a right-wing control freak who wants to scare the shit out of people so he can control them. Look at his sig, he's all about control. He didn't control the election so now he wants to control the follow-up (he'll fail at that too).

Annoy a right-wing fascist control freak, don't bite your nails and choose freedom.

Yes I'm a right wing control freak and I'm controlling that little pea that's on your shoulders, it's easy to do, just vote for change and hope it all works out.



The thing that I find funny is that Obama going on the apology tour and apologizing for anything and everything American, he is that he is having such a hard time apologizing for this..... this should be easy.

 

[OCGuy]

Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

Because it's a non issue. It was a training mission which they constantly do.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

Because it's a non issue. It was a training mission which they constantly do.

Training mission? Surely you can't be serious.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I work directly across the street from the 2nd tallest building in Manhattan, I see its 30th floor out my window every day. I also see the ESB from my other window. I commute every day through GCT and my wife does the same and rides the subways down to Chelsea. When we lived in DC, she worked 2 blocs from the WH.

Personally, this whole thing is completely blown out of proportion.

In Aug 2007 a steampipe blew up in the intersection right underneath my window. Did I panic? No. I walked out of the building calmly, not running, but wondering where my wife was since she was supposed to be in the subways (she wasn't).

In Aug 2003, I was in NYC for a job interview. I ended up going to the ESB and was in the 2nd bank of elevators when the power went out, I was stuck in an elevator on the 82nd floor of the tallest building in Manhattan for an hour. I spent 2 hours walking down the stairs. I was calm the whole time, wondering what happened and worried about it, but not frantic or frazzled. I looked ahead at what I needed to do and did it, one foot in front of the other.

When it comes down to it, if you're going to go, you're going to go. No sense in being a pussy about it. If I had seen the plane, I'd have probably left the building too, but I wouldn't be apoplectic about the situation afterwards, no matter who the President was.

Anybody trying to make it an issue is simply an idiot. Take Budmanton for example, he's a right-wing control freak who wants to scare the shit out of people so he can control them. Look at his sig, he's all about control. He didn't control the election so now he wants to control the follow-up (he'll fail at that too).

Annoy a right-wing fascist control freak, don't bite your nails and choose freedom.

Yes I'm a right wing control freak and I'm controlling that little pea that's on your shoulders, it's easy to do, just vote for change and hope it all works out.

The thing that I find funny is that Obama going on the apology tour and apologizing for anything and everything American, he is that he is having such a hard time apologizing for this..... this should be easy.

No, you aren't controlling the brain that is obviously superior to yours, but I know you'd like to. Why? Because you are weak.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

Because it's a non issue. It was a training mission which they constantly do.

What type of training mission requires flying a 747 at low altitude around in circles over a populated area?

This has never been done under ANY administration previously.
Flights around NY with such an aircraft at such an altitude. Nor any other populated area.

Some body wanted a show/tell and called in favors to get it done.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

Because it's a non issue. It was a training mission which they constantly do.

Training mission? Surely you can't be serious.

I am serious, they just altered it for this Photo Op.

 

[Drako]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

Because it's a non issue. It was a training mission which they constantly do.

What type of training mission requires flying a 747 at low altitude around in circles over a populated area?

This has never been done under ANY administration previously.
Flights around NY with such an aircraft at such an altitude. Nor any other populated area.

Some body wanted a show/tell and called in favors to get it done.

I believe he's buying the line that it was "budgeted as a training mission", so that makes it OK .

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

Because it's a non issue. It was a training mission which they constantly do.

What type of training mission requires flying a 747 at low altitude around in circles over a populated area?

This has never been done under ANY administration previously.
Flights around NY with such an aircraft at such an altitude. Nor any other populated area.

Some body wanted a show/tell and called in favors to get it done.

Well the dumb ass who ordered it thought it was a good idea to combine the training mission with a Photo Op.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The outrage at the auto execs flying in on private jets seems quite hollow now that we know they have been using a VC-25 to make flybys of various monuments for photo ops just so Obama would have some nice pictures to hand out at fundraisers.

- and this type of post is why I called it a story for pussy "rightwingers" to vent their flaccid rage....

What rage are you speaking of, Mr. Flacid Pussy? You're just hurt because no one took your bait the first time around, so you're back for a second attempt.

....and your post is another type of the flaccid rage I spoke of before.....

Limp and hanging......

/Mr. "Flacid" Pussy, hahahahhahahaaaa..........

//if you've ever been near one or rented one for five mintues, they don't get flaccid....

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

Link the post in which you criticized the misuse of taxpayer money for Bush's carrier landing photo-op, having the carrier hold for hours just out of view of San Diego.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

Link the post in which you criticized the misuse of taxpayer money for Bush's carrier landing photo-op, having the carrier hold for hours just out of view of San Diego.

If I've learned anything in my time here, it's that hypocrisy is only wrong when it's the enemy committing it. As the libs around here have shown for eight years, one of the perks in being dissatisfied with your President is you can take any measure necessary to mock, exaggerate, exploit, and otherwise distort any story or event. The end justifies the means.

If the rage is false, so be it.
If the facts aren't in yet, so be it.
If a little exaggeration will spice it all up, so be it.

Turnabout is fair play. OCguy is certainly being a biased hypocrit... but this makes him different from you (or anyone else here) how?

Regardless, I think this is played out. The general consensus seems to be that this was the result of poor decision making and poor communication, in neither of which Obama played a role.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

Link the post in which you criticized the misuse of taxpayer money for Bush's carrier landing photo-op, having the carrier hold for hours just out of view of San Diego.

Pretty sure that our economy wasn't in the same predicament back then. But glad to see you're still the partisan tool you've always been.

 

[heyheybooboo]

When the DoD stops flyovers at ball games and races (and drops the 10s of millions of dollars sponsoring race teams) the 'money' argument might work. But as noted by UberNeuman ....

It's simply flaccid outrage by the right.

It's all they bring these days - along with the personal attack.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
When the DoD stops flyovers at ball games and races (and drops the 10s of millions of dollars sponsoring race teams) the 'money' argument might work. But as noted by UberNeuman ....

It's simply flaccid outrage by the right.

It's all they bring these days - along with the personal attack.

You're an idiot if you think the flaccid outrage and personal attacks are the domain of the right. Sorry for the personal attack... think of it more as an observation. Just stop deluding yourselves into thinking you're above it all.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Drako

Originally posted by: OCguy
Great use of taxpayer money :thumbsup:

I'm really surprised that this part of the story does not seem to bother people.

WTF, spending $330K to take pictures of AF1 over NY?

Supposedly they were going to do flyovers in DC and at least one other city. Why the hell are we spending $1,000,000 for pictures for some pamphlet?

Obama just spent an equal amount flying Airforce 1 to a town hall meeting in Missouri. Must be playing havoc with his carbon footprint:roll:

 

[eits]

i dunno wtf caldera was possibly thinking... seriously... wtf... i mean....

*sigh*

what in the fuck could possibly have gone on in his head?

 

[Deliximus]

I am an Obama support, but this was not very smart at all.

 

[Bitek]

I'm for Obama too...

but seriously, the idea to fly a 747 being chased by fighter planes low to the ground buzzing lower Manhattan and not bother to tell anyone about it first ..... is the dumbest idea any fool has ever thought up in the history of this nation. (not counting anything Bush of course)

100:1 is was some mid-level dipshit in some bureaucratic agency somewhere who is getting his ass reamed with holy water and clorox right now. Obama may be reconsidering his position on waterboarding as we speak.

 

[dennilfloss]

Here's a video showing how people reacted.

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.s...oldman%20Sachs%20Tower

Another video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMoy8JprKI0

Even at home in Canada, watching this plane manoeuver gives me the jitters. Memories resurfacing of when I watched the second 9/11 plane live on television. Sadness...