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Jaskalas said:
I would suggest prior context for that:
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It's a fair assessment. Having my own children, and being an emotional person, I still cant wrap my head around it. My kids drive me completely nuts sometimes, but I wouldn't know what to do if something happened to them.
 
Reviewing news headlines shows that it is not uncommon for parents to kill, or attempt to kill their kids. Guns just make it easier to do at the spur of the moment.
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
I say again, this guy needs to be removed from office:

thehill.com

Florida sheriff says he wishes deputies would have killed murder suspect

A Florida sheriff says he wishes his deputies would have killed the former Marine who is accused of killing four people on Sunday.“It would’ve been nice if he’d have come out with a gun and then we…
thehill.com thehill.com
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for God's sake he blasted away at a young woman as she held her precious tot until both were dead, I don't usually side with a cop but this guy simply said what everyone else felt. I hope in prison someone gets to him and he suffers a physical beating so bad he dies from it, well deserved.
 
BUTCH1 said:
for God's sake he blasted away at a young woman as she held her precious tot until both were dead, I don't usually side with a cop but this guy simply said what everyone else felt. I hope in prison someone gets to him and he suffers a physical beating so bad he dies from it, well deserved.
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Yup. Though he'll probably end up in solitary confinement because that is the situation on death row.
 
BUTCH1 said:
for God's sake he blasted away at a young woman as she held her precious tot until both were dead, I don't usually side with a cop but this guy simply said what everyone else felt. I hope in prison someone gets to him and he suffers a physical beating so bad he dies from it, well deserved.
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If there is anyone the cops should have beat to death, it would be this guy. Why couldn't they beat THIS GUY to death? I would look the other way.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
This is an odd statement considering that the vast majority of guns are used, yet the vast majority of guns are not used to kill.
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His perception is the natural reaction of an outsider to a culture which portrays irresponsible gun ownership as freedom, to the extent that it has used public displays of guns as a means to intimidate and harrass political opponents.
IOW, gun nuts suck. Responsible gun owners see gunownership as a civic duty, not as a convenient means to bully people. Responsible gun owners don't sell guns to criminals, they don't defend laws which allow guns to be sold to criminals, and they don't stockpile armories of guns and ammo with the expectation of criminally using them against their own countrymen.
 
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TheVrolok said:
I own several guns, I'm not remotely prepared to kill a human with them. I think I may certainly be in the minority, as many folks own guns primarily for self defense, but I don't suspect it's an incredibly small minority. I also support drastically more aggressive gun control, so, take my perspective as it is.
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I think the idea that I can manage something so therefore it should be freely available in society is a bit of a fallacy. Society'slaws are written to the lowest common denominator, not for the high performing. If everyone was high functioning like yourself we would need almost no laws. There's so many things I can handle perfectly fine that I know the average American can't. Just look at fast food in this country. I can handle it. Many can't.

We really should be asking can the bottom 10% of society handle guns and if the answer is no then we need to fix things: gimp guns so they can't kill as many people, restrict bullets, have strict licensure requirements, I'm just spitballing here but basically the bottom 10% is what we need to be thinking about not the high functioning guys on anandtech who also own a gun.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
The purpose of a gun is to fire a bullet.
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Guns were always weapons. They were always intended to be weapons. Although some specialized guns can be used for signaling, shooting lines, etc., those are derived from weapons, not the other way around. Weapons are why we are at the top of the food chain. If our minds didn’t have the capacity to construct weapons, we could not also construct computers and cars. And guns are the most effective hand-held weapons that can be conveniently stored, transported, and used. There are historians who study human progress by studying the development of weapons, and those historians often do a better job of demonstrating human cultural change and migration patterns than the sociologists do. The first gun was a weapon; if it was not a weapon, it was not a gun.
 
woolfe9998 said:
"Voices from God."

This will definitely be an insanity defense. Fortunately insanity defenses rarely work.
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Personally, I hope he wins his insanity defense.

How do I put this:
Death Penalty = humane quick checkout
Criminal Insane in the State of Florida? = dungeon. Straitjacket, strapped to the bed, small dark room, spit mask, rest of his life.

I know what I prefer. But I am feeling a bit evil at the moment.
 
VW MAN said:
Guns were always weapons. They were always intended to be weapons. Although some specialized guns can be used for signaling, shooting lines, etc., those are derived from weapons, not the other way around. Weapons are why we are at the top of the food chain. If our minds didn’t have the capacity to construct weapons, we could not also construct computers and cars. And guns are the most effective hand-held weapons that can be conveniently stored, transported, and used. There are historians who study human progress by studying the development of weapons, and those historians often do a better job of demonstrating human cultural change and migration patterns than the sociologists do. The first gun was a weapon; if it was not a weapon, it was not a gun.
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I was responding to a poster who said the SOLE purpose of a gun is to kill. If the purpose of a gun is to kill....the ONLY purpose, then why are they almost never used to do that? Why are the vast majority of their uses (like 99.99+%) NOT for killing?

It seems logical to me that there is more purpose to a gun than killing. Is it great at killing? Yes! Is it great at the things that is almost always used for (hint: not killing)? Yes, also.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Start my car.

There's only one intended purpose for a gun, and they're very good at it.
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Guns are very good at killing. They are very good at the things they are used for 99.99% of the time as well. It turns out there are far more things guns are used for than killing. If they are indented only for killing, why is that not even 0.01% of what they are used for?
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
I was responding to a poster who said the SOLE purpose of a gun is to kill. If the purpose of a gun is to kill....the ONLY purpose, then why are they almost never used to do that? Why are the vast majority of their uses (like 99.99+%) NOT for killing?

It seems logical to me that there is more purpose to a gun than killing. Is it great at killing? Yes! Is it great at the things that is almost always used for (hint: not killing)? Yes, also.
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Killing is a gun's intended use not matter how hard you try to make it otherwise. Sure they "can" be used for other things - hunting (which is a form of killing), target practice (practice at killing) etc. A gun is and was always a weapon of war, a weapon of killing. War or killing between 2 individuals or multiple countries across the globe. Sure guns are also a deterrent to killing, but only by the threat of killing.
 
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