Florida man kills four

[woolfe9998]

I don't do FAUX, but every once in a while The Duck presents a snippet from them:

Florida sheriff calls shooting suspect a 'coward,' deputies would have 'shot him up a lot'

Bryan Riley, the accused Florida gunman accused of killing four random people — including a mother and a 3-month-old baby — is a “coward” for surrendering to police while unarmed in order to be arrested, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said Sunday.

www.foxnews.com

This 'sheriff' needs to be removed from office.

Suspects are supposed to disarm and surrender.

Faux article missed part of what he said. Full quote from the CNN article.

"If he'd given us the opportunity, we'd have shot him up a lot, but he didn't because he was a coward," Judd said Sunday. "You see, it's easy to shoot innocent children and babies and people in the middle of the night when you've got the gun and they don't."

He's right. He shot unarmed, defenseless people, including an infant. But shortly after armed police showed up, he surrendered. He WAS a coward.

 

[woolfe9998]

"Voices from God."

This will definitely be an insanity defense. Fortunately insanity defenses rarely work.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

He's right.

He's unfit for office.

 

[woolfe9998]

He's unfit for office.

Why? Because he said accurate disparaging things about a man who killed a baby and shot an 11 year old 7 times?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

When you say you'd rather shoot someone than arrest them, you need to be out of office.

What the offender did is irrelevant.

The function of public safety officers is to apprehend and bring to court.

 

[brycejones]

So a responsible gun owner?

 

[woolfe9998]

When you say you'd rather shoot someone than arrest them, you need to be out of office.

What the offender did is irrelevant.

The function of public safety officers is to apprehend and bring to court.

Which is exactly what they did.

The fact that he had a personal reaction of preferring to have justification to shoot the man is understandable. This is without a doubt the most horrific crime this sheriff has ever seen. His reaction only makes him human.

Had they actually shot him unarmed, then of course you would be correct.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

His reaction only makes him ...

... unfit for office.

 

[woolfe9998]

... unfit for office.

Yeah, well, good luck with that opinion. He's not getting fired for saying what I'm sure a lot of people are thinking.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So, what you're saying is that deranged people who don't care about human life are drawn to the most efficient way to kill someone?

So owning a gun in and of itself doesn't inherently cause people to go out and murder other people?

I agree with you, I guess I'm just failing to see why we're upset with pieces of metal rather than the society that created the people who don't care about life and are willing to murder others.

Guns aren't the most efficient ways to kill, so you're either being intentionally stupid or playing at being that stupid. Either way, best to assume you are that stupid.

It certainly doesn't help. I don't know of a single person that owns a gun that won't tell you they are fully prepared to kill with it. You'll quickly find most of them are near pants-shitting scared at a level that should alarm you, too.

You agree with him but you don't at all? Ok.

Scientists need to start investigating the mysterious affect that gun atoms have on the mental health of people or something.

I wonder if the affects only occur while someone is holding the gun, or if the gun atom energy field can permeate the immediate area around the gun?

I get you think you're being cute and making a salient point, but you're not, and just revealing yourself to be yet another full of shit moron that refuses to accept the role of gun mentality coupled with ridiculous abundance of guns. The interesting part will be how quickly you reveal that you're just another surrogate penis fan that thinks your right to feel good supersedes others' right to live. Actually I'm guessing you're just the latest in a long line of defeatist chickenshits that decided that guns are never gonna be dealt with so just give up on them because. In which case you should STFU for ever about any shooting. You don't get to pretend to care about people while not being willing to actually do what it takes to help prevent such harm befalling them.

And yes, that mentality still exists even when they don't have a gun directly on them. So, next stupid question, or are you done playing stupid?

 

[nickqt]

Guns aren't the most efficient ways to kill, so you're either being intentionally stupid or playing at being that stupid. Either way, best to assume you are that stupid.

It certainly doesn't help. I don't know of a single person that owns a gun that won't tell you they are fully prepared to kill with it. You'll quickly find most of them are near pants-shitting scared at a level that should alarm you, too.

You agree with him but you don't at all? Ok.



I get you think you're being cute and making a salient point, but you're not, and just revealing yourself to be yet another full of shit moron that refuses to accept the role of gun mentality coupled with ridiculous abundance of guns. The interesting part will be how quickly you reveal that you're just another surrogate penis fan that thinks your right to feel good supersedes others' right to live. Actually I'm guessing you're just the latest in a long line of defeatist chickenshits that decided that guns are never gonna be dealt with so just give up on them because. In which case you should STFU for ever about any shooting. You don't get to pretend to care about people while not being willing to actually do what it takes to help prevent such harm befalling them.

And yes, that mentality still exists even when they don't have a gun directly on them. So, next stupid question, or are you done playing stupid?

I don't give one shit about anything you post because you're a fucking douchebag.

 

[Jaskalas]

Did the murderer run out of ammo?
I would assume that's a likely reason he stopped shooting and surrendered.

 

[BUTCH1]

Which is exactly what they did.

The fact that he had a personal reaction of preferring to have justification to shoot the man is understandable. This is without a doubt the most horrific crime this sheriff has ever seen. His reaction only makes him human.

Had they actually shot him unarmed, then of course you would be correct.

Yea, really, dude shot a 3 month old infant and her mother as the mom tried to protect the tot, then opened up on law enforcment, if he caught a Sheriff's bullet to the face it would have been a good thing

 

[vi edit]

Seems more like a case of a young man recruited to kill, taught to kill, and not taught or given the tools to cope with non war life. Add in the withdrawal from Afghanistan and how utterly useless the last 20 years had felt there and a soldier may question what the point is.

Be prepared for more of these. We have many more time bombs waiting to go off.

 

[Jhhnn]

Seems more like a case of a young man recruited to kill, taught to kill, and not taught or given the tools to cope with non war life. Add in the withdrawal from Afghanistan and how utterly useless the last 20 years had felt there and a soldier may question what the point is.

Be prepared for more of these. We have many more time bombs waiting to go off.

I figure the guy suffered from a meth induced psychotic episode. It actually happens fairly often, just not with such violent expression. Shit will make you crazy, make no mistake about that.

 

[feralkid]

He was a former Marine.

Still is.

 

[TheVrolok]

It certainly doesn't help. I don't know of a single person that owns a gun that won't tell you they are fully prepared to kill with it. You'll quickly find most of them are near pants-shitting scared at a level that should alarm you, too.

I own several guns, I'm not remotely prepared to kill a human with them. I think I may certainly be in the minority, as many folks own guns primarily for self defense, but I don't suspect it's an incredibly small minority. I also support drastically more aggressive gun control, so, take my perspective as it is.

 

[MrSquished]

So, what you're saying is that deranged people who don't care about human life are drawn to the most efficient way to kill someone?

So owning a gun in and of itself doesn't inherently cause people to go out and murder other people?

I agree with you, I guess I'm just failing to see why we're upset with pieces of metal rather than the society that created the people who don't care about life and are willing to murder others.

I'm saying guns change people. Now of course I agree there are people that are simply deranged and will find ways to harm and kill others no matter what weapons are available to them. This is just part of the human condition. There are dangerous loons among us. However, a gun empowers people as well.

Let's take this shooting from last night https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-killed-hurt-wichita-club-shooting-79870184

Guy gets kicked out of a club, comes back and shoots and kills one, and injures many others. Do you think it's guaranteed he was going to come back to the club if he didn't have a gun, that gave him the feeling of power to deal death easily? If he only had a knife do you think he was going to get in there and get messy by doing a mass stabbing? Highly doubtful.

 

[woolfe9998]

I don't know that owning the gun changes the person, but it certainly does create situations where someone may kill when they otherwise would have cooled off. Gun availability is especially a problem with crimes which occur in the heat of the moment. Road rage. Shooting your spouse's lover. Arguments with neighbors. Etc.

 

[vi edit]

This is a lot like the drug/homeless issues. You can't pin it on one thing. There's a lot to unpack on the why people turn to them in the first place. I grew up in a hunting household. We had guns leaning against the wall in the pantry. They were just as much a tool for the weekend as my hiking boots. Never pointed them at another human being in my life and hope I never have to.

 

[MrSquished]

I don't know that owning the gun changes the person, but it certainly does create situations where someone may kill when they otherwise would have cooled off. Gun availability is especially a problem with crimes which occur in the heat of the moment. Road rage. Shooting your spouse's lover. Arguments with neighbors. Etc.

Indeed. This is 100%. Guns often make a bad situation worse. It's been proven.

But yes, I am quite certain that guns do change some people's behavior, in that they give them the 'balls', or whatever you want to call it, to act on their worst impulses. I think many of them would just stew in their own thoughts rather than act out on them so egregiously if they didn't have a gun to make them feel so empowered to deal death and injury. I don't think guns change all people for the worse, clearly. Not the majority. But definitely a noticeable chunk of them. And when guns are so easy to get in this country, that's a big noticeable chunk.

 

[woolfe9998]

Indeed. This is 100%. Guns often make a bad situation worse. It's been proven.

But yes, I am quite certain that guns do change some people's behavior, in that they give them the 'balls', or whatever you want to call it, to act on their worst impulses. I think many of them would just stew in their own thoughts rather than act out on them so egregiously if they didn't have a gun to make them feel so empowered to deal death and injury. I don't think guns change all people for the worse, clearly. Not the majority. But definitely a noticeable chunk of them. And when guns are so easy to get in this country, that's a big noticeable chunk.

Yup, one of the most tragic cases illustrating this point is this one.

Texas mother, a vocal gun rights advocate, killed by police after fatally shooting her two daughters during ‘family argument’

The woman killed by police after she fatally shot her two daughters at their Texas home was identified as an outspoken gun advocate. Christy Sheats, 42, shot and killed her two young daughters, Tay…

www.nydailynews.com

Woman who is kind of a gun nut posts online saying something like "how dare the democrats try to take away my ability to protect my family." Months later, on her husband's birthday, a heated family argument ensues. She gets her gun and shoots both of her daughters in the back while they're trying to run away, killing both. After which the police kill her when she refuses to drop the gun.

She obviously had it backwards. It was actually the democrats who were trying to protect her family.

That's the thing about guns in the heat of the moment. No one thinks they're going to be the one to go out of control with the gun, until it happens.

 

[TheVrolok]

That's the thing about guns in the heat of the moment. No one thinks they're going to be the one to go out of control with the gun, until it happens.

I really think the "no true Scotsman" fallacy should be renamed "no responsible gun owner."

When bad things happen with guns, it's always because they were not REALLY a responsible gun owner.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yup, one of the most tragic cases illustrating this point is this one.

Texas mother, a vocal gun rights advocate, killed by police after fatally shooting her two daughters during ‘family argument’

The woman killed by police after she fatally shot her two daughters at their Texas home was identified as an outspoken gun advocate. Christy Sheats, 42, shot and killed her two young daughters, Tay…

www.nydailynews.com

Woman who is kind of a gun nut posts online saying something like "how dare the democrats try to take away my ability to protect my family." Months later, on her husband's birthday, a heated family argument ensues. She gets her gun and shoots both of her daughters in the back while they're trying to run away, killing both. After which the police kill her when she refuses to drop the gun.

She obviously had it backwards. It was actually the democrats who were trying to protect her family.

That's the thing about guns in the heat of the moment. No one thinks they're going to be the one to go out of control with the gun, until it happens.

Wow, that's a tough one to process.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Wow, that's a tough one to process.

Not really. The SOLE purpose of a gun is to kill.