Florida man kills four

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

It turns out there are far more things guns are used for than killing.

Name ONE.

(And don't say target shooting or skeet, etc., because the only purpose for those is to practice one's aim to use the weapon for the intended purpose, which is to ... kill.)

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Killing is a gun's intended use not matter how hard you try to make it otherwise. Sure they "can" be used for other things - hunting (which is a form of killing),

Hunting is not a form of killing. Hunting IS killing.

 

[VW MAN]

Hunting is not a form of killing. Hunting IS killing.

Correct. I should have said killing animals (for food or sport - yuck) instead of a form of killing.

Cheers!

 

[VW MAN]

Name ONE.

(And don't say target shooting or skeet, etc., because the only purpose for those is to practice one's aim to use the weapon for the intended purpose, which is to ... kill.)

Yes i to am waiting for him to name a use for a gun that does not involve killing, practice killing or deterring killing by threat of killing.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Guns are very good at killing. They are very good at the things they are used for 99.99% of the time as well. It turns out there are far more things guns are used for than killing. If they are indented only for killing, why is that not even 0.01% of what they are used for?

No idea, doesn't matter either. I'm not sure why this is what you're choosing to argue, guns have a very specific purpose.

 

[Moonbeam]

I notice that it wasn’t knives the sheriff’s department brought to arrest the guy. Apparently also there are people out there who without warning might hear a voice that tells them that you should be dead. A gun in my hand at such a moment might give me a chance to dispute that claim. I would imagine also that in an attack by a young marine with a gun on a slightly built elderly woman practiced and also armed, might take place on a much more level playing field.

And all here wishing the cops had shot and killed the perp, I don’t see how you don’t worship gun violence.

 

[Moonbeam]

No idea, doesn't matter either. I'm not sure why this is what you're choosing to argue, guns have a very specific purpose.

I suppose it falls to me the task of mentioning that having the purpose to kill is only negative in certain contexts, maybe like a murder trial is viewed as a good thing by many when it votes the death penalty where guilty, but not so good when it executes an innocent person.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This is turning out to be another pizza place basement thing. Guy says his intent was to rescue a kid or kids being abused and trafficked.



U.S. News // 12 hours ago
Sheriff: Marine vet who killed four shot 11-year-old in search of fictional girl
Sept. 9 (UPI) -- A Marine veteran accused of brutally killing a family of four and shooting an 11-year-old girl multiple times said he did it in search of a girl who was the victim of sex trafficking and was about the commit suicide.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I suppose it falls to me the task of mentioning that having the purpose to kill is only negative in certain contexts, maybe like a murder trial is viewed as a good thing by many when it votes the death penalty where guilty, but not so good when it executes an innocent person.

Sure, there's context involved, either way tho....guns are only made with then intention to end life.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sure, there's context involved, either way tho....guns are only made with then intention to end life.

I would bet that most are made to turn a profit and that many are made with an eye to creating a perfectly functioning work of art. For many I would say the purpose of a gun is to be worthy of collection or accurate enough to eliminate that from being a factor in losing a competition. And the capacity to kill is also the capacity to save lives when it becomes a deterrent, one that normal people will hope is never put to ultimate use.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I would bet that most are made to turn a profit and that many are made with an eye to creating a perfectly functioning work of art. For many I would say the purpose of a gun is to be worthy of collection or accurate enough to eliminate that from being a factor in losing a competition. And the capacity to kill is also the capacity to save lives when it becomes a deterrent, one that normal people will hope is never put to ultimate use.

Ok, but that doesn't really change what guns are made for. They're made to end life, and they're really good at it.

That's their purpose. You don't cut sammich's with it, you don't fix a car with it, you don't preheat the oven with it, the list goes on.

You can sit here and hem and haw about it, but that really doesn't change that fact that they're killing machines.

It also doesn't change the fact that the states with the strictest gun laws have the lowest gun deaths per capita.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ok, but that doesn't really change what guns are made for. They're made to end life, and they're really good at it.

That's their purpose. You don't cut sammich's with it, you don't fix a car with it, you don't preheat the oven with it, the list goes on.

You can sit here and hem and haw about it, but that really doesn't change that fact that they're killing machines.

It also doesn't change the fact that the states with the strictest gun laws have the lowest gun deaths per capita.

Right, the states easiest to knock off in a fascist takeover. We are back to the fact that the capacity of a machine to kill can be a good thing. One big feature of the 2nd amendment is to be equal in ability to kill somebody who wants to kill you.

Unfortunately, in California that isn't easy to do which makes it only criminals who can come up to par.

But it is a whole lot cheaper assuaging one's conscious via gun control than it is to deal with the conditions that create lethal rage is those who go on killing sprees.

A liberal is one who trusts people but liberal fear of guns turns then into craven conservatives. Gun owners are to liberals what socialists are to conservatives.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

We gonna get back to the case at hand any time soon?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Right, the states easiest to knock off in a fascist takeover. We are back to the fact that the capacity of a machine to kill can be a good thing. One big feature of the 2nd amendment is to be equal in ability to kill somebody who wants to kill you.

Unfortunately, in California that isn't easy to do which makes it only criminals who can come up to par.

But it is a whole lot cheaper assuaging one's conscious via gun control than it is to deal with the conditions that create lethal rage is those who go on killing sprees.

A liberal is one who trusts people but liberal fear of guns turns then into craven conservatives. Gun owners are to liberals what socialists are to conservatives.

You're back to that. I'm still on the original point, guns are a machine designed with a purpose, that purpose is to end life.

However, if you read the 2A, the intent is clear. A states defense from an overreaching central government. We're way past that.

 

[woolfe9998]

And speaking of heat of the moment situations where it would have been better for everyone involved had there been no gun on the premises.

Family Argument Leads to Shooting at Pa. Baby Shower

A suspect is in custody following a shooting at a baby shower at a western Pennsylvania fire hall that wounded three people, authorities said.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

Seriously, an argument over a gift at a baby shower leads one person to draw a gun, who shoots three family members. All are wounded but thankfully alive.

Also: people become homicidally angry over the stupidest damn things.

 

[MrSquished]

Right, the states easiest to knock off in a fascist takeover. We are back to the fact that the capacity of a machine to kill can be a good thing. One big feature of the 2nd amendment is to be equal in ability to kill somebody who wants to kill you.

Unfortunately, in California that isn't easy to do which makes it only criminals who can come up to par.

Here's the thing. I do think liberals should start to arm themselves in much higher numbers.

But on a practical level, I don't see gun owners overthrowing a fascist government either. A huge part of the gun owning population thought Obama was a communist terrorist, and they didn't overthrow the government then. Now they are even more insane, and even more think Biden stole the election, is an illegitimate president and a communist, and they still aren't overthrowing the government. Meanwhile I'd say at least half of law enforcement and the grunts in the military also feel that way, and they still aren't overthrowing the government.

Instead it's happening in state legislatures and electing secretaries of state where they are dismantling voting rights and starting a 'how to turn over' election results you don't like.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's the thing. I do think liberals should start to arm themselves in much higher numbers.

But on a practical level, I don't see gun owners overthrowing a fascist government either. A huge part of the gun owning population thought Obama was a communist terrorist, and they didn't overthrow the government then. Now they are even more insane, and even more think Biden stole the election, is an illegitimate president and a communist, and they still aren't overthrowing the government. Meanwhile I'd say at least half of law enforcement and the grunts in the military also feel that way, and they still aren't overthrowing the government.

Instead it's happening in state legislatures and electing secretaries of state where they are dismantling voting rights and starting a 'how to turn over' election results you don't like.

In one of these threads here, somewhere, I predicted that the Sept 18 DC Jan 6 rally would be a big bust because even the insane have a survival instinct, so I don't really disagree with what you say here. But I would suggest that unilateral disarmament of the kind practiced by liberal state liberals is indicative of people who have no emotional intelligence or understanding of how conservatives think. That hoped for rally to overthrow Biden and reinstall Trump and turn the Jan 6 people into heroes didn't materialize, in my opinion, because of all the government guns put on the street to insure it didn't happen.

What happens when the government is controlled say in 2024 by conservatives and they decide that liberals are not allowed to win elections?

 

[MrSquished]

In one of these threads here, somewhere, I predicted that the Sept 18 DC Jan 6 rally would be a big bust because even the insane have a survival instinct, so I don't really disagree with what you say here. But I would suggest that unilateral disarmament of the kind practiced by liberal state liberals is indicative of people who have no emotional intelligence or understanding of how conservatives think. That hoped for rally to overthrow Biden and reinstall Trump and turn the Jan 6 people into heroes didn't materialize, in my opinion, because of all the government guns put on the street to insure it didn't happen.

What happens when the government is controlled say in 2024 by conservatives and they decide that liberals are not allowed to win elections?

I do agree. I think overall liberals should arm themselves far more than they are now, so if we can figure out how to overthrow our incoming GQP federal fascist government one day, at least we have them.

I have wanted a gun for this very reason the last year. I suffer from bipolar disorder, and while I take a mood stabilizer and my depressive episodes are much more controlled, it's just not a good idea for me to have a gun purely from the position of self harm. If it wasn't for that I'd have my permit and would have had a gun safe and had weapons.

 

[Moonbeam]

I do agree. I think overall liberals should arm themselves far more than they are now, so if we can figure out how to overthrow our incoming GQP federal fascist government one day, at least we have them.

I have wanted a gun for this very reason the last year. I suffer from bipolar disorder, and while I take a mood stabilizer and my depressive episodes are much more controlled, it's just not a good idea for me to have a gun purely from the position of self harm. If it wasn't for that I'd have my permit and would have had a gun safe and had weapons.

Sounds like excellent judgment based on your own self awareness. My interests span a crazy guilt spectrum of subjects, guns being just one of them. To me they are works of art that, were I less grounded in reality, I would love to collect. But to do so seriously I couldn’t for lack of resources and time. So I have limited my current collecting efforts to just one.

I do find it annoying and stimulating of a rebellious response when liberal lawmakers try to limit what I can own when those things are perfectly legal in other states. I am quite convinced that I am morally responsible and ethical and more so than any of them. I have problems adjusting my life to accommodate others psychopathic fears. The problem consists of resentment. I don’t have a problem living with it but I would prefer not to have to. You don’t have to be afraid yourself to suffer from fear.

 

[cytg111]

Guns are very good at killing. They are very good at the things they are used for 99.99% of the time as well. It turns out there are far more things guns are used for than killing. If they are indented only for killing, why is that not even 0.01% of what they are used for?

Oh common man. You are rationalizing. Big time.

 

[DaaQ]

Liberals ARE arming themselves. I can assure you that.

 

[MrSquished]

Liberals ARE arming themselves. I can assure you that.

I have read articles that support that, such as African Americans arming themselves at rates unseen before in the later years of Trump's horrific tenure as president. They realized they may have to shoot some of these fascist racist motherfuckers if needed. Heard a piece on that on NPR, and read it.

I just think it needs to be a bigger more concerted effort, and making it easier to buy guns in blue states.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Killing is a gun's intended use not matter how hard you try to make it otherwise. Sure they "can" be used for other things - hunting (which is a form of killing), target practice (practice at killing) etc. A gun is and was always a weapon of war, a weapon of killing. War or killing between 2 individuals or multiple countries across the globe. Sure guns are also a deterrent to killing, but only by the threat of killing.

You're wrong, guns also serve for all the impotent, premature ejaculating, small dicked, no dicked, or otherwise immasculated to feel a penis in their hand that they can control.