First democrat debate

[Phokus]

Missed it, is there a recording somewhere?

 

[trenchfoot]

It went as I expected it to. I watched it because my wife was all over it and was constantly making comments and asking for my input while I tried to research some new info on the 'net for a deer hunt I'm going on in the near future.

If anything, I learned about what those other three guys were about. Uhhh, what's their names again?

 

[irishScott]

Finally clinton is manufacturing some passion!

Fixed. It appears she's been taking charisma lessons from Obama.

 

[ivwshane]

Then it looks like I'm all for changing the scope of social security

Yes and that's why Social security was set at 65 back in the day when the average life expectancy was in the upper 50s to low 60s.

The idea is if you live PAST what most people live til, the government will step in so you don't just die. Social security isn't a retirement fund. It doesn't remove the personal responsibility to put money away. The idea is you continue to save and if you happen to live a long life past the average life expectancy, that's not your fault.

To keep that going, it only makes sense to raise the social security retirement age to match the increasing life expectancy. You can't expect people to continue retiring at the same age as life expectancy extends. If people at 65 are healthier than they once were with advanced medical treatment, more awareness of healthy lifestyles, etc, then it really isn't a failing system if people work til a later age. In the 30s, you were screwed if you had hear tissues. There wasn't the awareness regarding smoking or cancer or vaccination that we have today. People at 60 were ready to croak and tons of people didn't even live til those ages.

Lowering the age changes the scope of social security into a retirement plan. That's not what it is.

 

[ivwshane]

Fixed. It appears she's been taking charisma lessons from Obama.

I disagree. Up until that point in the debate or outside of the debate, all her passion, to me, appeared to be manufactured. At that one particular moment it no longer seemed manufactured.

 

[HomerJS]

Holy crap,

No-one came across as a total idiot or clown, I am impressed!

Republicans set that bar pretty low

 

[irishScott]

Why bother, they should have given all the time to Clinton and Sanders, no one gave a rats ass about what any of the others said...what were their names again?...the only two folks CNN is talking about are them.

This. Even the intro video only showed Clinton and Sanders. It's clear CNN had no itention of giving the other candidates any sort of platform.

 

[ivwshane]

This. Even the intro video only showed Clinton and Sanders. It's clear CNN had no itention of giving the other candidates any sort of platform.

I thought the intro was horrible but I feel chafee got plenty of time, the other two? Not so much.

 

[irishScott]

I disagree. Up until that point in the debate or outside of the debate, all her passion, to me, appeared to be manufactured. At that one particular moment it no longer seemed manufactured.

"Seemed" being the operative word. Passion doesn't go from manufactured to real overnight. She's seen the polls saying Americans don't trust her, and I'm sure her political team has been working day and night on training her to appear trustworthy and genuine. She gave an Oscar worthy performance, but I've seen too much of Hillary to consider it anything but a performance.

 

[bozack]

Kind of refreshing watching that after the other two debates. It's like the difference between a bunch of college professors having a debate and a bunch of nimrods.

the whole thing was free stuff, free stuff, republicans suck blah blah...you really feel this was in any way more substantive?....this was just a big rehash of all of their talking points.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Chafee was just horrible.
I liked some of Webb's points but he has no chance.
Malley sucked but had a great closer IMO.
Sanders is a breath of fresh air but I still think he won't be able to win the nom.

 

[irishScott]

I thought the intro was horrible but I feel chafee got plenty of time, the other two? Not so much.

I think O'malley might have gotten more time than Chafee by virtue of his back-and-forth with Clinton, but Webb was blatantly shut-out of some topics, particularly after Cooper snapped at him for requesting more time. A breakdown of camera-time for each candidate would be interesting to see.

 

[sportage]

Well I WAS WRONG.
I predicted boring but this was quite festive as well as hitting DIRECTLY on the issues Americans feel strong about.
Unlike...(cough cough) which none of the republican debates, not a one, addressed.

I see not one dog and pony show here with this debate, by the way.
Sure draws a clear comparison between who the grown-ups in the room are and who and the children are.
Jeb Bush MUST be rethinking his party affiliation, at this point.
Either play the Donald Trump sand box kiddie games, or join the grown-ups and ACT LIKE AN GROWN-UP.

Well, this debate made me feel good.
At least we now know NOT ALL of America has gone insane and lost their mind.
I.e. the republican party of fools, jokesters, and buffoons.

 

[ivwshane]

"Seemed" being the operative word. Passion doesn't go from manufactured to real overnight. She's seen the polls saying Americans don't trust her, and I'm sure her political team has been working day and night on training her to appear trustworthy and genuine. She gave an Oscar worthy performance, but I've seen too much of Hillary to consider it anything but a performance.

We will have to agree to disagree. It's matter of opinion anyway.

 

[LegendKiller]

Well I WAS WRONG.
I predicted boring but this was quite festive as well as hitting DIRECTLY on the issues Americans feel strong about.
Unlike...(cough cough) which none of the republican debates, not a one, addressed.

I see not one dog and pony show here with this debate, by the way.
Sure draws a clear comparison between who the grown-ups in the room are and who and the children are.
Jeb Bush MUST be rethinking his party affiliation, at this point.
Either play the Donald Trump sand box kiddie games, or join the grown-ups and ACT LIKE AN GROWN-UP.

Well, this debate made me feel good.
At least we now know NOT ALL of America has gone insane and lost their mind.
I.e. the republican party of fools, jokesters, and buffoons.

So you enjoyed what you saw?

Every single candidate promising a bucketfull of sand to everybody outside the sandbox but nobody willing to put sand into the sandbox.

Soon there is no sandbox to play in.

 

[Blackjack200]

Thought Hillary did okay, but was mostly unimpressive. Thought Sanders did really well. The other three don't matter.

 

[trenchfoot]

Clinton has the exact same problem that every Repub candidate has besides Trump. She has to appear to be concerned and compassionate toward the multitude of voters who hail from the middle and poor classes to get their votes but cleverly ignore their concerns after they get elected. They need to do this in order to appease their benefactors' demands for clearing impediments that get in their way of enriching themselves in order to buy more influence than all the other big wheelers in the game.

Bernie Sanders doesn't have to be bothered with that. He's already declared war on big money, which, if elected, will give him more leverage to deal with that threat, and I do mean threat in it's simplest definitive form.

 

[Blackjack200]

Well I WAS WRONG.
I predicted boring but this was quite festive as well as hitting DIRECTLY on the issues Americans feel strong about.

Yep, hit income inequality, immigration, climate change, gun control, foreign policy, health care. I was pretty skeptical given CNN reputation, but I thought they did a tremendous job.

Compare what we saw tonight with Fox kicking off the first Republican debate with a blood oath to the Republican Party.

 

[bozack]

man where do they find these tools in the post debate interview panel, and you'd think CNN could fix their mic issues.

 

[Franz316]

the whole thing was free stuff, free stuff, republicans suck blah blah...you really feel this was in any way more substantive?....this was just a big rehash of all of their talking points.

They actually addressed the biggest issues facing the country like inequality, climate change, immigration, education, medical care and provided actual solutions. It was just a more positive vibe to the whole thing. More of a "can do" attitude and willingness to adapt in the face of changing reality instead of clinging to things that worked 20 years ago.

 

[trenchfoot]

Yep, hit income inequality, immigration, climate change, gun control, foreign policy, health care. I was pretty skeptical given CNN reputation, but I thought they did a tremendous job.

Compare what we saw tonight with Fox kicking off the first Republican debate with a blood oath to the Republican Party.

Agreed that the contrast between the first Repub and Dem debate is stark and quite telling of the condition that each finds itself in.

The topics of debate that each dealt with made quite clear the agendas each party is pursuing. The differences there is even more defined than night and day, it's more like comparing pitch black with blinding light.

 

[irishScott]

New York Times did a breakdown of candidate speaking time:

http://www.nytimes.com/live/first-d...-2016/final-count-of-candidate-speaking-time/

Clinton: 31:05
Sanders: 28:05
O'Malley: 17:56
Webb: 15:35
Chafee: 9:11

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

As a conservative that has only watched 1 debate so far.... That being this democrat debate, I'll give an outsider view of what I thought of the debate:

Bernie Sanders CLEARLY stands out.
He is very clear in his message and agenda - and he doesn't mind saying how or why on a given issue.
He was the only one that didn't vote for the Patriot Act (among other things where he was the lone-bystander)
He was the only one that didn't flip-flop on issues (e.g. Gay Marriage, among others) based on what the public wanted to hear, but rather what his clear agenda is.
He isn't a pussy about making a decision. He gave his opinion on legalizing weed right then and there - whereas Hilary is a total pussy that says every word out of her mouth with reluctance.
He is the only one that clearly isn't in the banks pockets.
How anyone can support Hillary is beyond me, but Bernie punched himself in the dick for saying things such as defending the Hillary email case. Anyone that doesn't think national security is a serious issue has some very flawed viewpoints.

Also, the other 2 Democrats were freaking hilariously stupid. I didn't know it was more possible to be more stupid than the republican candidates, but holy shit they proved me wrong.

That said, ultimately what came out of EVERY mouth there is "I'm going to put more money in your pockets! I don't know how, but somehow I will... magically... POOF I MADE MONEY!"

 

[ivwshane]

New York Times did a breakdown of candidate speaking time:

http://www.nytimes.com/live/first-d...-2016/final-count-of-candidate-speaking-time/

Clinton: 31:05
Sanders: 28:05
O'Malley: 17:56
Webb: 15:35
Chafee: 9:11

Interesting. Thanks.

I guess O'Malley really was forgettable. I seriously don't remember a single answer he gave.

 

[irishScott]

Interesting. Thanks.

I guess O'Malley really was forgettable. I seriously don't remember a single answer he gave.

Yeah, all I remember was that he plugged his energy plan every chance he got and got into a couple of slap-fights with Clinton. Oh and apparently arrests went down during his tenure as mayor of Baltimore, which in his mind means he loves black people.