First democrat debate

[ivwshane]

Lol, Bernie sanders to Clinton's rescue on the "benghazi scandal".

One of the biggest differences between republicans and dems (with regards to debates) is that the dem candidates, all of them, are continuously trying to pivot away from media bullshit like Hilary's email to talking about the issues facing your average Americans, that of economics.

This was glaringly absent in both republican debates.

Good answers all around regarding the black lives matter question.

 

[ivwshane]

O'malley is unbearable. Lot's of coaching playing out. Hillay was predictable, nothing to see there.

I don't always agree with sanders but at least he comes off genuine, imo.

I feel the same way about Webb.

 

[Attic]

Finally, real discussion on the economy!

 

[ivwshane]

Maybe I'm biased but damn Bernie is good at getting people fired up.

 

[kage69]

Wall Street regulates Congress, owned...

 

[HTFOff]

90 minutes in, has cnn touched on the topic of money in politics?

 

[OutHouse]

damn anderson just destroyed Chafee

 

[Attic]

90 minutes in, has cnn touched on the topic of money in politics?

Bernie did.

 

[ivwshane]

Could Webb be a bigger baby?

I've never seen a debate where the person who complained about debate time come our looking like a winner.

 

[ivwshane]

damn anderson just destroyed Chafee

With his first vote response?

 

[Indus]

With his first vote response?

Yeah chafee is done as is jim webb.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

On the topic of guns, most candidates are going after sanders.

Sanders' response was poor though. Talking about rural and urban states? Great, we all understand there's differences, but what's his solution? I don't think he talked about a real plan.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Sanders--It's easy to talk about expanding social security. Uncapping the income tax limit pushes solvency to 2061? Isn't that just kicking the can down the road?

How is chained CPI bad? Fixed limits in the face of a changing economy is bad, no? It's why we always talk about raising the minimum wage every few years. If we agreed on a living wage and then pinned it against chained CPI, we wouldn't be having these debates every few years.

Social Security is just broken. You can expand it and put a band-aid on it, but you're not going to fix it until you recognize that it was built as a system to provide funding for those who live past the average life expectancy. In today's terms that would mean pushing the social security retirement age to 75 or so at least.

 

[ivwshane]

Sanders' response was poor though. Talking about rural and urban states? Great, we all understand there's differences, but what's his solution? I don't think he talked about a real plan.

No he didn't but I think his approach is the most reasonable and the most acceptable when actually trying to get things done, especially since it will have to involve the gun advocates.

 

[ivwshane]

Sanders--It's easy to talk about expanding social security. Uncapping the income tax limit pushes solvency to 2061? Isn't that just kicking the can down the road?

How is chained CPI bad? Fixed limits in the face of a changing economy is bad, no? It's why we always talk about raising the minimum wage every few years. If we agreed on a living wage and then pinned it against chained CPI, we wouldn't be having these debates every few years.

Social Security is just broken. You can expand it and put a band-aid on it, but you're not going to fix it until you recognize that it was built as a system to provide funding for those who live past the average life expectancy. In today's terms that would mean pushing the social security retirement age to 75 or so at least.

SS isn't broken. Sure it needs some tweaks but the underlying structure is solid. Raising the age for SS would be disastrous for the economy in my opinion. If anything, SS should be lowered.

Remove caps and lower the age.

 

[ivwshane]

Interesting responses regarding snowden. I thought it might have been a more universal answer but we got quite a few different responses.

 

[nickqt]

Sanders--It's easy to talk about expanding social security. Uncapping the income tax limit pushes solvency to 2061? Isn't that just kicking the can down the road?

How is chained CPI bad? Fixed limits in the face of a changing economy is bad, no? It's why we always talk about raising the minimum wage every few years. If we agreed on a living wage and then pinned it against chained CPI, we wouldn't be having these debates every few years.

Social Security is just broken. You can expand it and put a band-aid on it, but you're not going to fix it until you recognize that it was built as a system to provide funding for those who live past the average life expectancy. In today's terms that would mean pushing the social security retirement age to 75 or so at least.

Uncapping the SS income tax pushes SS solvency to about 32,987.

 

[OutHouse]

my opinion. If anything, SS should be lowered.

I agree with this.

 

[Balt]

Oof, this debate is going a bit long. Starting to get into the stupid stuff.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Uncapping the SS income tax pushes SS solvency to about 32,987.

So Sanders is a liar?

 

[alcoholbob]

An F-35 commercial during intermission. Just perfect.

 

[Indus]

SS isn't broken. Sure it needs some tweaks but the underlying structure is solid. Raising the age for SS would be disastrous for the economy in my opinion. If anything, SS should be lowered.

Remove caps and lower the age.

Quoting for completeness since the above quote got my attention.. like lower the amount what?

Good point though!

 

[dank69]

Every one of these five is light years ahead of every single GOP candidate.

 

[chowderhead]

The Republican are despicable with that stop Hillary pac ad and CNN is beyond the pale for airing the ad where someone puts Republican lies/talking points into the mouths of dead people.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

SS isn't broken. Sure it needs some tweaks but the underlying structure is solid. Raising the age for SS would be disastrous for the economy in my opinion. If anything, SS should be lowered.

Remove caps and lower the age.

But social security was not created with that in mind. If you want to lower the age, then that's more of a welfare system. I think that if you want to talk about keeping it within its original scope of serving as a source of income for those who live past the age at which they intended to live til, the current system has drastically changed.

If you look at the average life expectancy in the 1930s or even the # of years people typically live for after 65 years of age, the number has changed from the 30s til today. It would make sense to raise the age in that sense if you want to keep it today as the program it was intended to be.

Now what you're talking about is to change the scope of social security by lowering the age. Is that really the goal? And if so how does it make sense for rich people to cash out on social security at an earlier age?