First attack in Pakistan under Obama adminstration

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Missiles kill 7 in NW Pakistan

While I completely support this, there's been rampant posting over the last 8 years about Bush violating the sovereignty of Pakistan and "murdering innocents". Knowing our enemy likes to hide behind the skirts of his wives and toys of his children, there are probably innocents killed in this strike.

So here we are, no change on this policy it appears. What say ye?

I was never against this policy, in fact, I feel like we need to ramp it up.

:thumbsup:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As usual you death loving stupid assholes haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Today you delight in the fact that a 19 year old Nintendo playing high school drop out is Americas best drone pilot, but tomorrow that same technology will be the suicide bomber of every terrorist group in America, the 72 virgin seeking bomb strap-oner, extrordinaire, who seeks nothing but to blow itself up in your sewers, your power stations, your dams, and factories all over your beautiful land. You are the giggling morons who open Pandora's box. Little bots of death are on the way for he who lives by the sword shall die by it forevermore.

I thought you smart assholes have been telling us for years that terrorists don't actually exist, but are a boogyman creation of the imagination of the evil vast right wing conspiracy?????????

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Zebo
Spinning our wheels...Until we confront this fascist religions texts, atmospherics, promptings, that cause Muslims to plot to kill Hindus in Kashmir or Mumbai or Delhi, Buddhist villagers in southern Thailand, or Christians in Nigeria or southern Sudan or southern Philippines, or to kill Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians in Bangladesh or Indonesia, or black Africans in Darfur, kill the Jews all over, and kill those not quite Muslim enough everywhere we are lost. Akin to going after the SS alone while leaving Nazism to reign in post WWII Europe.

Not if your policy is only to roll back Islam , which is goal that can have measureable results. That was Clinton's policy, publicaly stated.

I don't know what roll back means how about bring it to modern age like I described?

 

[Lemon law]

I frankly wonder why Ozoned takes any joy in "I watched several news reports at the turn of the hour on the strikes. It seems the media is no longer reporting civillian casualties, even though they seem to have the exact number of dead militants. It's about time. I approve!"
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When, in fact, when and if the USA, the media, and Nato try to hide the exact number of civilians killed in the collateral damage of such strikes, it may assuage our consciences, but the skeptics and honest are going to lose all faith in the USA, the media, and Nato. And then it makes it far easier for our enemies to tell everyone that all or nearly all those that were killed were innocent civilians.

In other words, Ozoned stands four square for propaganda, a two edge sword that cuts both ways, and in the process, propaganda cannot be relied on in any logical thinking process, making rational evaluations and decisions impossible.

Pardon me, Ozoned, I cannot agree with you or think this is good news.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Spinning our wheels...Until we confront this fascist religions texts, atmospherics, promptings, that cause Muslims to plot to kill Hindus in Kashmir or Mumbai or Delhi, Buddhist villagers in southern Thailand, or Christians in Nigeria or southern Sudan or southern Philippines, or to kill Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians in Bangladesh or Indonesia, or black Africans in Darfur, kill the Jews all over, and kill those not quite Muslim enough everywhere we are lost. Akin to going after the SS alone while leaving Nazism to reign in post WWII Europe.

No more bombs time to speak truth to power and demand reciprocal human rights in those countries. Demand they sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which thus far no Muslim country has signed. Demand they put protections in place for religious and ethnic minorities - or simply cut them off 100% from civilized world.

Way we are going now 3 are generated for every 1 you kill. We cant afford that many bombs.

Gosh, that is exactly the same kind of thinking I was taught about Americans when I was being brainwashed in terrorist school, we have to kill them all down to the last vicious child.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: alchemize
Thanks for all the "duh" replies Who I really want to hear from are the rabid obama supporters who are also berating the millitary and Bush every time it happened. I won't name names just yet

I see; you just came in to troll for a fight?

C'mon, name names. Call them out, I dare you.

OK how abou this?

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They are a sovereign nation. Just because we failed to finish the job in Afghanistan and chased our enemies across their border does not give us the right to conduct military operations without their permission.

Pakistan should condemn this quickly and mobilize their own troops to counteract any unilateral US military action within their country.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I frankly wonder why Ozoned takes any joy in "I watched several news reports at the turn of the hour on the strikes. It seems the media is no longer reporting civillian casualties, even though they seem to have the exact number of dead militants. It's about time. I approve!"
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When, in fact, when and if the USA, the media, and Nato try to hide the exact number of civilians killed in the collateral damage of such strikes, it may assuage our consciences, but the skeptics and honest are going to lose all faith in the USA, the media, and Nato. And then it makes it far easier for our enemies to tell everyone that all or nearly all those that were killed were innocent civilians.

In other words, Ozoned stands four square for propaganda, a two edge sword that cuts both ways, and in the process, propaganda cannot be relied on in any logical thinking process, making rational evaluations and decisions impossible.

Pardon me, Ozoned, I cannot agree with you or think this is good news.

The only thing that stands between success and failure in any usa military endeavor is the story presented to the American people. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE. If you're going to do it, get it done.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: NeoV
Also - how can any of you think that Obama did not, at the very least, approve these actions? Do the words 'commander in chief' mean anything to you? Correct me if I'm wrong, but he is the president now, as of this past Tuesday - remember?

Of course Obama approved the attacks, but if he does intend to end our military's policies of attacking with callous disregard for innocent lives, doing as much is going to take well more than a couple of days.

What? It would take a 30 second phone call.

Calling off the attacks would take a simple phone call, changing our military's operational procedures takes a whole lot more than you can apparently even imagine.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As usual you death loving stupid assholes haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Today you delight in the fact that a 19 year old Nintendo playing high school drop out is Americas best drone pilot, but tomorrow that same technology will be the suicide bomber of every terrorist group in America, the 72 virgin seeking bomb strap-oner, extrordinaire, who seeks nothing but to blow itself up in your sewers, your power stations, your dams, and factories all over your beautiful land. You are the giggling morons who open Pandora's box. Little bots of death are on the way for he who lives by the sword shall die by it forevermore.

How is this possible, our beautiful butterfly is letting this happen Moonbeam?

Ah, well, the butterfly thread was locked before I could say in it that it was just facts about the chrysalis and not about whatever silliness was currently on the mind of those who read it, so now I'm stuck with all the projections of those who thought they knew what it meant. May your metamorphosis eventually take place.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Zebo
Spinning our wheels...Until we confront this fascist religions texts, atmospherics, promptings, that cause Muslims to plot to kill Hindus in Kashmir or Mumbai or Delhi, Buddhist villagers in southern Thailand, or Christians in Nigeria or southern Sudan or southern Philippines, or to kill Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians in Bangladesh or Indonesia, or black Africans in Darfur, kill the Jews all over, and kill those not quite Muslim enough everywhere we are lost. Akin to going after the SS alone while leaving Nazism to reign in post WWII Europe.

Not if your policy is only to roll back Islam , which is goal that can have measureable results. That was Clinton's policy, publicaly stated.

Very interesting. Do you have any links on that I can check out? Would be fascinating to see if anyone associated with that policy has been rehired into the BHO Admin.

No links, sorry. I am relying on my memory. Try searching Clinton rollback Islam

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: NeoV
Also - how can any of you think that Obama did not, at the very least, approve these actions? Do the words 'commander in chief' mean anything to you? Correct me if I'm wrong, but he is the president now, as of this past Tuesday - remember?

Of course Obama approved the attacks, but if he does intend to end our military's policies of attacking with callous disregard for innocent lives, doing as much is going to take well more than a couple of days.

What? It would take a 30 second phone call.

Calling off the attacks would take a simple phone call, changing our military's operational procedures takes a whole lot more than you can apparently even imagine.

Wow that doesnt even make sense.

In your eyes, stopping the attacks = stopping "callous disregard for innocent lives"

So if it took a phone call to stop the attacks, then thats all it takes to stop the killing of innocents.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
The only thing that stands between success and failure in any usa military endeavor is the story presented to the American people. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE. If you're going to do it, get it done.

What ultimate goal you are wanting to see get done here?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: alchemize
Missiles kill 7 in NW Pakistan

While I completely support this, there's been rampant posting over the last 8 years about Bush violating the sovereignty of Pakistan and "murdering innocents". Knowing our enemy likes to hide behind the skirts of his wives and toys of his children, there are probably innocents killed in this strike.

So here we are, no change on this policy it appears. What say ye?

Obama stated before getting elected he would go after terrorist in Pakistan. He is keeping his election promise.

I remember this as well which is why I'm surprised anyone would be, well, surprised.

I think everyone forgot


The people who actually paid attention to the election and not just jumped on the Obama bandwagon realize Obama is going to be a tough war president. The point is he will be more efficient and do it in an open manner. War is not condoned around the world if you are open about it and why you are doing it, it is the backhanded way the Bush admin did it that brought down the worlds scorn.

Nobody condoned the Afghan operation for the most part because it had a distinct reason, even now people still support it. The Iraq war was based on lies and misleading information which means people didn't die for a reason, they died for a ambition of the administration.

Obama will make sure he has a reason to go to war, and the world will love him for it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: NeoV
Also - how can any of you think that Obama did not, at the very least, approve these actions? Do the words 'commander in chief' mean anything to you? Correct me if I'm wrong, but he is the president now, as of this past Tuesday - remember?

Of course Obama approved the attacks, but if he does intend to end our military's policies of attacking with callous disregard for innocent lives, doing as much is going to take well more than a couple of days.

What? It would take a 30 second phone call.

Calling off the attacks would take a simple phone call, changing our military's operational procedures takes a whole lot more than you can apparently even imagine.

So you tell the military to stand down on ALL attacks until procedures/policy changes are in effect.

That was not done. Because the procedures attempt to minimize civilian casualties. IT is know that the job can not be done (at times) with some loss.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Wow that doesnt even make sense.

In your eyes, stopping the attacks = stopping "callous disregard for innocent lives"

You are obviously not telepathic, and you are never going to understand what I say until you come to terms with that.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Zebo
Spinning our wheels...Until we confront this fascist religions texts, atmospherics, promptings, that cause Muslims to plot to kill Hindus in Kashmir or Mumbai or Delhi, Buddhist villagers in southern Thailand, or Christians in Nigeria or southern Sudan or southern Philippines, or to kill Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians in Bangladesh or Indonesia, or black Africans in Darfur, kill the Jews all over, and kill those not quite Muslim enough everywhere we are lost. Akin to going after the SS alone while leaving Nazism to reign in post WWII Europe.

Not if your policy is only to roll back Islam , which is goal that can have measureable results. That was Clinton's policy, publicaly stated.

Very interesting. Do you have any links on that I can check out? Would be fascinating to see if anyone associated with that policy has been rehired into the BHO Admin.

No links, sorry. I am relying on my memory. Try searching Clinton rollback Islam

Except he never did take the shot at Obama he had more than a few opportunities to do. Would have saved the world alot of trouble.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As usual you death loving stupid assholes haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Today you delight in the fact that a 19 year old Nintendo playing high school drop out is Americas best drone pilot, but tomorrow that same technology will be the suicide bomber of every terrorist group in America, the 72 virgin seeking bomb strap-oner, extrordinaire, who seeks nothing but to blow itself up in your sewers, your power stations, your dams, and factories all over your beautiful land. You are the giggling morons who open Pandora's box. Little bots of death are on the way for he who lives by the sword shall die by it forevermore.

I thought you smart assholes have been telling us for years that terrorists don't actually exist, but are a boogyman creation of the imagination of the evil vast right wing conspiracy?????????

I wouldn't know what smart assholes think as I consider myself to be a rather dumb one. As such, what I would say is that you've gotten everything wrong. The way I see it is that the world is perfect as it is and that only by thinking there is evil do I bring evil into existence. So those who practice terrorism, a form of war against evil, create the evil they see, and such people exist in huge numbers, including yourself.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Ozoned
The only thing that stands between success and failure in any usa military endeavor is the story presented to the American people. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE. If you're going to do it, get it done.

What ultimate goal you are wanting to see get done here?

I don't set the goals, but I would imagine that the immediate goals here are to cause the forces supporting, or conducting the attacks on our troops in Afghanistan, or our interests in Afghanistan a great amount of harm.

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Very interesting. Do you have any links on that I can check out? Would be fascinating to see if anyone associated with that policy has been rehired into the BHO Admin.

No links, sorry. I am relying on my memory. Try searching Clinton rollback Islam

Except he never did take the shot at Obama he had more than a few opportunities to do. Would have saved the world alot of trouble.

Did you mean Osama?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Zebo
Spinning our wheels...Until we confront this fascist religions texts, atmospherics, promptings, that cause Muslims to plot to kill Hindus in Kashmir or Mumbai or Delhi, Buddhist villagers in southern Thailand, or Christians in Nigeria or southern Sudan or southern Philippines, or to kill Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians in Bangladesh or Indonesia, or black Africans in Darfur, kill the Jews all over, and kill those not quite Muslim enough everywhere we are lost. Akin to going after the SS alone while leaving Nazism to reign in post WWII Europe.

Not if your policy is only to roll back Islam , which is goal that can have measureable results. That was Clinton's policy, publicaly stated.

Very interesting. Do you have any links on that I can check out? Would be fascinating to see if anyone associated with that policy has been rehired into the BHO Admin.

No links, sorry. I am relying on my memory. Try searching Clinton rollback Islam

Can't find anything relevant to that in google search But I remain interested. PM me if you ever find anything that relates.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: RKDaley

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Very interesting. Do you have any links on that I can check out? Would be fascinating to see if anyone associated with that policy has been rehired into the BHO Admin.

No links, sorry. I am relying on my memory. Try searching Clinton rollback Islam

Except he never did take the shot at Obama he had more than a few opportunities to do. Would have saved the world alot of trouble.

Did you mean Osama?

HAH! Freudian slip, looking at the poster

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As usual you death loving stupid assholes haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Today you delight in the fact that a 19 year old Nintendo playing high school drop out is Americas best drone pilot, but tomorrow that same technology will be the suicide bomber of every terrorist group in America, the 72 virgin seeking bomb strap-oner, extrordinaire, who seeks nothing but to blow itself up in your sewers, your power stations, your dams, and factories all over your beautiful land. You are the giggling morons who open Pandora's box. Little bots of death are on the way for he who lives by the sword shall die by it forevermore.

I thought you smart assholes have been telling us for years that terrorists don't actually exist, but are a boogyman creation of the imagination of the evil vast right wing conspiracy?????????

I wouldn't know what smart assholes think as I consider myself to be a rather dumb one. As such, what I would say is that you've gotten everything wrong. The way I see it is that the world is perfect as it is and that only by thinking there is evil do I bring evil into existence. So those who practice terrorism, a form of war against evil, create the evil they see, and such people exist in huge numbers, including yourself.

Don't worry, I am willing to bear your cross.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
War is not condoned around the world if you are open....

Nobody condoned the Afghan operation for the most part...

For the love of God, would you please come to grips with the defienftion of "condone"?:

con·done /k?n'do?n/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-dohn] Show IPA Pronunciation

?verb (used with object), -doned, -don·ing. 1. to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like).
2. to give tacit approval to: By his silence, he seemed to condone their behavior.
3. to pardon or forgive (an offense); excuse.
4. to cause the condonation of.
5. Law. to forgive or act so as to imply forgiveness of (a violation of the marriage vow).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/condoned

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: RKDaley

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Very interesting. Do you have any links on that I can check out? Would be fascinating to see if anyone associated with that policy has been rehired into the BHO Admin.

No links, sorry. I am relying on my memory. Try searching Clinton rollback Islam

Except he never did take the shot at Obama he had more than a few opportunities to do. Would have saved the world alot of trouble.

Did you mean Osama?

HAH! Freudian slip, looking at the poster

Yes I did

And I support Obama, he will still take the war to the enemy when taking care of domestic problems, and will not be as easily swayed as McCain. I think you will a lot of right leaning people will support Obama as time goes on. (I also supported him multiple times in the debates on this forum and on other poli forums.)

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
War is not condoned around the world if you are open....

Nobody condoned the Afghan operation for the most part...

For the love of God, would you please come to grips with the defienftion of "condone"?:

con·done /k?n'do?n/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-dohn] Show IPA Pronunciation

?verb (used with object), -doned, -don·ing. 1. to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectionable, or the like).
2. to give tacit approval to: By his silence, he seemed to condone their behavior.
3. to pardon or forgive (an offense); excuse.
4. to cause the condonation of.
5. Law. to forgive or act so as to imply forgiveness of (a violation of the marriage vow).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/condoned

I wish I could put you on ignore terrorist sympathizer.

I'll try to proofread my posts first, though I do type them mostly from my BB, which autoformats many words.