Fired police officer gets last laugh...

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07
Vic,

While I agree with your point of view it doesn't prevent the fact that publically media lynching a police officer is popular these days. We face it here in Louisville, KY.

Black guy gets into altercation with police and tries to kill said police - police are bad guys and its plastered all over the front page. White guy gets killed by black police and its buried in a two paragraph story on page 4 of the metro.

Just recently an officer was cleared of any wrong doing for protecting the lives of citizens and taking out the threat, but he still lost his job and was fired by the black police chief. This reverse discrimination and lynching of white cops has to stop.

Well, I appreciate your point of view, Spidey, and see your point, but IMO it's at-will employment. Personally, I would like to see legislation go through making it illegal for public employees to unionize. If you or I or almost everyone else who reads this makes a major mistake on the job, chances are that we're gonna get fired. Not so with the police. Nowadays, they can't be fired even with cause. How can that be good for law enforcement?
And when it becomes impossible for even the worst, most corrupt police officer to be fired (and we're almost there), then the police will rule the city and the law-abiding citizens, and not the other way around like it is supposed to be. Just my $0.02

Originally posted by: spidey07
But don't you understand? That is NOT what the award was for. The award was for the damages or and wrongful discrimination.

Uhh... if that's the case, then why did his partner, who is black, who filed the falsified report, and who only received a 10-day suspension, also get half of the settlement?

There is no easy answer in my mind unfortunately to this problem. As I said we face similar discourse in Louisville and I speak with officers frequently. They feel like they the media are just hungry to hang them and it interferes with their judgement - and I agree.

Then again there are bad apples in every force, no matter what color. Taking out the bad apples while still saving grace is a very tricky wire to traverse. You and I will probably never know the actions an officer has to take, even with all his training and in that split second to use force or not. They are taught to subdue the arrestee, by escalating means if necessary.

How I feel? Quit fighting the police and trying to kill them and cooperate. Then you won't get beat down or killed.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07
There is no easy answer in my mind unfortunately to this problem. As I said we face similar discourse in Louisville and I speak with officers frequently. They feel like they the media are just hungry to hang them and it interferes with their judgement - and I agree.

Then again there are bad apples in every force, no matter what color. Taking out the bad apples while still saving grace is a very tricky wire to traverse. You and I will probably never know the actions an officer has to take, even with all his training and in that split second to use force or not. They are taught to subdue the arrestee, by escalating means if necessary.

How I feel? Quit fighting the police and trying to kill them and cooperate. Then you won't get beat down or killed.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer here. Also that the suspects in these incidents have invariably used poor judgement. What I disagree with is this "roadside justice" mentality -- the "good guys" and the dehumanized "bad guys". The "Punisher" mentality that the police somehow have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. Say what it you will, but it just strikes me of the lynch mob, and not of civilization, rule of law, or freedom.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07
There is no easy answer in my mind unfortunately to this problem. As I said we face similar discourse in Louisville and I speak with officers frequently. They feel like they the media are just hungry to hang them and it interferes with their judgement - and I agree.

Then again there are bad apples in every force, no matter what color. Taking out the bad apples while still saving grace is a very tricky wire to traverse. You and I will probably never know the actions an officer has to take, even with all his training and in that split second to use force or not. They are taught to subdue the arrestee, by escalating means if necessary.

How I feel? Quit fighting the police and trying to kill them and cooperate. Then you won't get beat down or killed.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer here. Also that the suspects in these incidents have invariably used poor judgement. What I disagree with is this "roadside justice" mentality -- the "good guys" and the dehumanized "bad guys". The "Punisher" mentality that the police somehow have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. Say what it you will, but it just strikes me of the lynch mob, and not of civilization, rule of law, or freedom.

Amen.
The bill of rights states that even the lowliest and stupidest criminal be given a trial rather than a beating.
Cops are the wranglers, not the slaughter house.

 

[razor2025]

That cop shouldn't have gotten that $1.6 mil, PERIOD. I just had help my dad in court to fight a ticket that the police wrote after an accident my dad was involved in. My dad's a bit challenged in English, so he didn't speak very clearly with the cop. Instead of being considerate and taking time to hear my dad's explanation of the situation, the cop wrote the police report based on other people's explanation. My dad was furious after he got the report from the station, and we went to municipal court to fight it. Of course, the cop showed up and "lied" about my dad changing his story when he was interviewing him. The judge really didn't give a damn about it, so he just reduced the fine to $60 from $200... BUT THAT"S NOT THE POINT. The police report still faults my dad for hitting the person in the front, when he was actually hit from behind first. Without the correct report, my dad lost his insurance from AMEX, and had to swap to AllState with extra $200 increase in premiums. That's $400 more per year.... , the judge might as well just charge the full $200. It wouldn't have mattered.

This is why I really put doubt in our legal/justice system. I used to respected and even dreamed about being cop. However, as I grow older and see more of these BS stuff happening, I just loose faith on them. I understand that they have hard times and put their life on the line sometimes, but people have limit on how much BS they can tolerate.