Finding Common Ground

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: GrGr
Compromise and dialogue is the wussy liberal way. Brute force is the resolute Republican way. Now that the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, the House, the Supreme Court, the CIA and the Pentagon they have a golden opportunity to ram through their agenda, don't you think?

Only if they don't like being elected again. Remember, Moderates make up 45% of the voters, and they ALREADY leaned towards the Democrats in this election. All we'd need is Bush ramming conservative views down the rest of our throats to get many more of the Moderates on the liberal side of things.

Of course, but the Republicans could figure that the political price could be worth the long time results of their actions. I don't think the Republicans will do something too stupid, too direct and too obvious right away that will get the dems energized and on the warpath for real, but rather follow the "fuzzy muddled insiduous" strategy they did with medicare, tax cuts etc.

After the masterful job of selling the RNC strategy I think the Reps can get their supporters to eat out of their hands whenever they want to. Reality and facts have no meaning to too many of their supporters.

I think that this election will mark the real beginning of the end of the US as it has been shaped by FDR in the 1930's and WWII. The 2000 election might have been the real start of course but now we will see the agenda reach levels that will take generations to overturn. We will now see a US shaped after the much more austere ideals of the deep south (Texas) with pure capitalism and strong religious beliefs at the core.

As opposed to pure secularism? We at least have a compromise at the current time, some common ground, if you will....

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
You know whats sad is that even if this country were attacked again I don't think it would bring people together.

When we're dealing with a political party that equates bi-partisanship with date rape what else can be expected?

Ain't that the truth. The dems would much rather cut of their nose to save their face.

 

[Engineer]

How about a balanced budget and maybe a Balanced Budget Amendment

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
You know whats sad is that even if this country were attacked again I don't think it would bring people together.

When we're dealing with a political party that equates bi-partisanship with date rape what else can be expected?

Ain't that the truth. The dems would much rather cut of their nose to save their face.

You certainly don't sound like a "I'll meet you half way" kind of guy. In fact you are an excellent example of the problem at hand. But don't get too mad, so am I.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
You know whats sad is that even if this country were attacked again I don't think it would bring people together.

When we're dealing with a political party that equates bi-partisanship with date rape what else can be expected?

You have already admitted failure in another post. Go sh!t in someone elses thread....

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
You know whats sad is that even if this country were attacked again I don't think it would bring people together.

When we're dealing with a political party that equates bi-partisanship with date rape what else can be expected?

Ain't that the truth. The dems would much rather cut of their nose to save their face.

You certainly don't sound like a "I'll meet you half way" kind of guy. In fact you are an excellent example of the problem at hand. But don't get too mad, so am I.

That's the problem. I'm sick and tired of meeting half way. I'm sick and tired of having to monitor everyting I say/do/feel/act. The libs have been pushing this country into utter chaos and the very reason why we are considered weak in the world and dare I say why we were attacked. So afraid to take a stand on any issue whatsoever. So afraid to hurt somebody's "feelings."

And I honestly believe the previous election was confirmation of that.

Just watch the movie "demoltion man". It ain't far from the way I feel. In trying to create a utopian society we have created a dichotomy. (sp?)

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
You know whats sad is that even if this country were attacked again I don't think it would bring people together.

When we're dealing with a political party that equates bi-partisanship with date rape what else can be expected?

Ain't that the truth. The dems would much rather cut of their nose to save their face.

You certainly don't sound like a "I'll meet you half way" kind of guy. In fact you are an excellent example of the problem at hand. But don't get too mad, so am I.

That's the problem. I'm sick and tired of meeting half way. I'm sick and tired of having to monitor everyting I say/do/feel/act. The libs have been pushing this country into utter chaos and the very reason why we are considered weak in the world and dare I say why we were attacked. So afraid to take a stand on any issue whatsoever. So afraid to hurt somebody's "feelings."

And I honestly believe the previous election was confirmation of that.

Just watch the movie "demoltion man". It ain't far from the way I feel. In trying to create a utopian society we have created a dichotomy. (sp?)

I disagree with every fiber of your being with the exception of using "Demolition Man" as a basis and model for the exchange of ideas for here on out. Why hadn't I ever thought of that? <slaps forehead>


:laugh:

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford

the liberal side of things.

Clarity on what exactly this amounts to would be a huge boon to the Democratic party, IMHO. And in fact could define a level of compromise that is realistic.

Is being a Liberal to accept the position of every minor issue, regardless of the view of the majority?

I think it's important for anyone on any side of the issues to not let go of their view if the majority disagrees with thhem. Lest we forget, freeing the slaves, women's rights and even breaking away from England were all things supported by a minority before the majority wanted it. The majority crushing all opposition is not what this country is about. At least for the major issues, I don't think just giving in is a good idea.

Is being a liberal to deny the rights afforded to the majority in our political process?

Nope, and I don't see that happening. What exactly are you talking about here?

Is being a Liberal being above the need to compromise?

Nope, and as I've said many times, I'm perfectly willing to compromise. But it only works if conservatives are willing to do so as well.

Does being a Liberal entitle one to decide at what level compromise is acceptable?

Nope, same point as above.

 

[spidey07]

meh, taco bell will take over the franchise wars eventually.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: spidey07
meh, taco bell will take over the franchise wars eventually.

My money's on Senior Flannigans Chicken Blastorama

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Engineer
How about a balanced budget and maybe a Balanced Budget Amendment

I find in my own personal life that the ability to borrow money actually contributes to my ability to build wealth. I don't know enough about the nuts and bolts of the government budget to find common ground on the issue, but I am fairly sure that someone else could entertain debate with you on this issue, to find common ground, if you will...

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Engineer
How about a balanced budget and maybe a Balanced Budget Amendment

I find in my own personal life that the ability to borrow money actually contributes to my ability to build wealth. I don't know enough about the nuts and bolts of the government budget to find common ground on the issue, but I am fairly sure that someone else could entertain debate with you on this issue, to find common ground, if you will...

Well how about we put a grandfather clause in the Anti-Deficit law?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
You know whats sad is that even if this country were attacked again I don't think it would bring people together.

When we're dealing with a political party that equates bi-partisanship with date rape what else can be expected?

Ain't that the truth. The dems would much rather cut of their nose to save their face.

You certainly don't sound like a "I'll meet you half way" kind of guy. In fact you are an excellent example of the problem at hand. But don't get too mad, so am I.

That's the problem. I'm sick and tired of meeting half way. I'm sick and tired of having to monitor everyting I say/do/feel/act. The libs have been pushing this country into utter chaos and the very reason why we are considered weak in the world and dare I say why we were attacked. So afraid to take a stand on any issue whatsoever. So afraid to hurt somebody's "feelings."

And I honestly believe the previous election was confirmation of that.

Just watch the movie "demoltion man". It ain't far from the way I feel. In trying to create a utopian society we have created a dichotomy. (sp?)

Well 49% of the country might disagree with you. You want to take some position where you take them all on? All or nothing? Better hope you win.

YOU might be confident that 51% of the country in this particular election is enough for "your side" to win, *I* certainly wouldn't gamble on it if I were you. Working together we can get something we can all deal with. Otherwise someone's going to "win", and if it's not you, ranting and raving about the wussification of America on the internet is about all you're going to be able to do...because no one will listen to some uncooprative radical.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Is being a liberal to deny the rights afforded to the majority in our political process?

Nope, and I don't see that happening. What exactly are you talking about here?

I am talking about the judiciary exceeding the scope of its intended authority. A couple of issue's come to mind.

 

[Rainsford]

I'm worried that the conservatives on here don't have a problem with spidey's views. That kind of thing is exactly what the problem with compromise efforts, and even if it's your side doing it, it's hurting the country.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I tried a thread like this the other day, it was a flop...

You just have to know how to work the crowd!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I tried a thread like this the other day, it was a flop...

You just have to know how to work the crowd!

Yeah, plus yours seems more honest than pliablemoose's, who was on an in-your-face-disengenuous-thread-starting campaign...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Is being a liberal to deny the rights afforded to the majority in our political process?

Nope, and I don't see that happening. What exactly are you talking about here?

I am talking about the judiciary exceeding the scope of its intended authority. A couple of issue's come to mind.

I happen to disagree with the judicial branch exceeding it's authority.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I tried a thread like this the other day, it was a flop...

You just have to know how to work the crowd!

Yeah, plus yours seems more honest than pliablemoose's, who was on an in-your-face-disengenuous-thread-starting campaign...

^An example of how not to do it.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Bush is very much against finding "common ground". He is as stubborn and arrogant as you could possibly get, and the same can be said for all the appointees in his administration, so it's pretty much hopeless.

That's why he passed NCLB, along with Swimmer Kennedy?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Is being a liberal to deny the rights afforded to the majority in our political process?

Nope, and I don't see that happening. What exactly are you talking about here?

I am talking about the judiciary exceeding the scope of its intended authority. A couple of issue's come to mind.

I happen to disagree with the judicial branch exceeding it's authority.

The assertion that they have or,,,, that they have?

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: glugglug
Bush is very much against finding "common ground". He is as stubborn and arrogant as you could possibly get, and the same can be said for all the appointees in his administration, so it's pretty much hopeless.

That's why he passed NCLB, along with Swimmer Kennedy?

Yes, what a momentus achievment! But somehwere along the way "teH DVB" got distracted and forgot to fund the program. "Oopsie, my bad!"

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Is being a liberal to deny the rights afforded to the majority in our political process?

Nope, and I don't see that happening. What exactly are you talking about here?

I am talking about the judiciary exceeding the scope of its intended authority. A couple of issue's come to mind.

I happen to disagree with the judicial branch exceeding it's authority.

The assertion that they have or,,,, that they have?

Sorry, that was a little unclear. I meant that the judicial branch SHOULDN'T exceed it's authority. I'm undecided on whether it has, I don't follow case law that much. But ANY branch of the government (or voters, for that matter) exceeding their authority for ANY reason needs to slapped down.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: ciba

Originally posted by: glugglug
Bush is very much against finding "common ground". He is as stubborn and arrogant as you could possibly get, and the same can be said for all the appointees in his administration, so it's pretty much hopeless.

That's why he passed NCLB, along with Swimmer Kennedy?

Yes, what a momentus achievment! But somehwere along the way "teH DVB" got distracted and forgot to fund the program. "Oopsie, my bad!"

The funding mechanism of NCLB is quite complex, but iirc was a part of the act that the Democratic leadership helped to author and was a major selling point. Also, iirc The downturn in the economy was the reason for the funding shortfall.

 

[ciba]

I don't think we'll see much compromise this next legislative session. The democrats haven't shown any willingness too (filibusters) and with the repugs picking up few more senate seats, they are in a position to strongarm democrats into voting for cloture (reminding them of the example they set with Tom Daschle).

What we're going to see is more of the cliche family feud. Both parties will blame the other for starting the conflict when both are at fault.