Finding Common Ground

[Ozoned]

George W. Bush is your elected president, again. Undoubtedly this means the conservative agenda will advance. :thumbsup:

The last time around President Bush reached out to find some common ground and got stung.

If President Bush hasn't lost faith in finding common ground, what issue or issue's would you like to see advanced for compromise?


Obviously, there are the untouchable issue's, the ones that got President Bush re-elected. I don't see how he could compromise on these....


[*] Abortion

[*] Stem cell research

[*] Morality

[*] Winning in Iraq

[*] War on terror

[*] Tax breaks

[*] Homeland security

[*] Faith based initiatives

[*] Gay marriage

[*] Judicial reform

[*] Tort reform


I am sure there are some untouchable's that I missed, but there is a lot of wiggle room in finding common ground on other important issue's like Social Security, the economy, environmental reform, and what I suppose would be a myriad of other important issue's that are close to your heart.

What do you really think?

Can we find common ground, or are we simply to resign ourselves to four more years of vile hate filled rhetoric and hyperbole being exchanged and a deepening divide among party lines? :brokenheart:

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
George W. Bush is your elected president, again. Undoubtedly this means the conservative agenda will advance. :thumbsup:

And you want common ground?

The last time around President Bush reached out to find some common ground and got stung.

No, he didn't.

There will be no compromise or reaching out by Republicans.

 

[Isla]

I would think that the environment would be common ground, but I also think too many people are in denial about climate change. It's too big of a big picture for them to see.

Maybe once the next ice age is underway, we will have plenty of common ground...

 

[jpeyton]

Can we find common ground, or are we simply to resign ourselves to four more years of vile hate filled rhetoric and hyperbole being exchanged and a deepening divide among party lines?

A president that leads his country into war for all the right reasons brings his country together.

A president that leads his country into war for all the wrong reasons will tear his country apart.

The divided fate of this country was decided back in March 2003.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
George W. Bush is your elected president, again. Undoubtedly this means the conservative agenda will advance. :thumbsup:

The last time around President Bush reached out to find some common ground and got stung.

If President Bush hasn't lost faith in finding common ground, what issue or issue's would you like to see advanced for compromise?


Obviously, there are the untouchable issue's, the ones that got President Bush re-elected. I don't see how he could compromise on these....


[*] Abortion

[*] Stem cell research

[*] Morality

[*] Winning in Iraq

[*] War on terror

[*] Tax breaks

[*] Homeland security

[*] Faith based initiatives

[*] Gay marriage

[*] Judicial reform

[*] Tort reform


I am sure there are some untouchable's that I missed, but there is a lot of wiggle room in finding common ground on other important issue's like Social Security, the economy, environmental reform, and what I suppose would be a myriad of other important issue's that are close to your heart.

What do you really think?

Can we find common ground, or are we simply to resign ourselves to four more years of vile hate filled rhetoric and hyperbole being exchanged and a deepening divide among party lines? :brokenheart:

He has never attepted to find common ground, do you remember 'you are with us or against us'?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

He has never attepted to find common ground, do you remember 'you are with us or against us'?

:thumbsup:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Isla
I would think that the environment would be common ground, but I also think too many people are in denial about climate change. It's too big of a big picture for them to see.

Maybe once the next ice age is underway, we will have plenty of common ground...

I think that the environmental lobby in this country is one of the most powerful ones that exist. I also believe that we could work towards common ground in regards to environmental policy and I will work towards that goal. You have my word on it.

 

[alchemize]

Given the complete inflexibility of the left, and their continued extremist views, I doubt we'll have much common ground. It's hard to have common ground with someone that hates you. Depends...maybe this forum is just an indicator of that rabid leftists, but maybe the democrat politicians will start to realize that the rabid leftists will still vote for them even if they ignore the screeches and hollers.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
I also believe that we could work towards common ground in regards to environmental policy and I will work towards that goal. You have my word on it.

So you're in the administration?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Isla
I would think that the environment would be common ground, but I also think too many people are in denial about climate change. It's too big of a big picture for them to see.

Maybe once the next ice age is underway, we will have plenty of common ground...

I think that the environmental lobby in this country is one of the most powerful ones that exist. I also believe that we could work towards common ground in regards to environmental policy and I will work towards that goal. You have my word on it.

I agree. I'm very liberal on the environment. It's time that we realized it is a fixed, fragle asset. I'll gladly find compromise on the environment. Well, I'll find compromise on most issues, except the war on terror and radical islam.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Isla
I would think that the environment would be common ground, but I also think too many people are in denial about climate change. It's too big of a big picture for them to see.

Maybe once the next ice age is underway, we will have plenty of common ground...

I think that the environmental lobby in this country is one of the most powerful ones that exist. I also believe that we could work towards common ground in regards to environmental policy and I will work towards that goal. You have my word on it.

That would mean a lot to someone like me.

I get very offended when the label 'liberal' gets put on me because I'm not a Republican and I never voted for Bush.

I'm very conservative in my personal life. Good grief... I was a stay at home mom for years, because I believe that is what is best for children in general. However, I am a very compassionate person and I don't feel comfortable judging people or trying to impose 'moral values' on them... I see my job as just to be the best I can be--- to have the most integrity possible--- and then to wish the best for others.

I have always felt that the bottom line is the environment. If we weren't so dependent on oil... 'black gold'... we'd have a hell of a lot less war and a much better environment.

It would be really, really nice if the President's mandate was to find alternative, healthier forms of energy.

 

[digitalsm]

No.

Its time for the GOP to ram through Tax Code Reform and Social Security reform. Screw mucking around with social issues. Its time for the GOP to set its site on a hand full of things and get them done.

However more than likely certain GOP members will pressure Bush to relax the ban on funding of embryonic stem cell research. Gay marriage wont be touched at the federal level in all likelyhood, and abortion rests in the lap of the Supreme Court and it could take years for Roe V Wade to be redirected.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
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What do you really think?

Can we find common ground, or are we simply to resign ourselves to four more years of vile hate filled rhetoric and hyperbole being exchanged and a deepening divide among party lines? :brokenheart:

He has never attepted to find common ground, do you remember 'you are with us or against us'?

[/quote]

I sure do, and I also remember what it was in reference to. Can you point to something that would somehow show me a change in that reference?

 

[DealMonkey]

There is no common ground, because with the exception of tax cuts, I'm on the polar opposite of every single issue there is. Tell me where Bush is and I'm 180-degrees of that. Furthermore, the only conservative agenda that will be advanced is the conservative social agenda. The conservative fiscal agenda will be back-burnered just like the first term and the R's will continue to spend like drunken sluts with their mom's credit card.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Ozoned
I also believe that we could work towards common ground in regards to environmental policy and I will work towards that goal. You have my word on it.

So you're in the administration?

In a way, yes. I have the power, as you do, to effect change.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your list covers almost everything significant. Since they cannot be discussed, there is nothing really to be talked about. The right and left will be united in one thing, and that is they will be at each others throats even more than the last four years. We are hoplessly divided.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
There is no common ground, because with the exception of tax cuts, I'm on the polar opposite of every single issue there is. Tell me where Bush is and I'm 180-degrees of that. Furthermore, the only conservative agenda that will be advanced is the conservative social agenda. The conservative fiscal agenda will be back-burnered just like the first term and the R's will continue to spend like drunken sluts with their mom's credit card.

No it wont. You can expect both tax code reform and social security reform to be pushed in the first year.

 

[Gaard]

Perhaps we can find common ground on steroid usage.

 

[glugglug]

Bush is very much against finding "common ground". He is as stubborn and arrogant as you could possibly get, and the same can be said for all the appointees in his administration, so it's pretty much hopeless.

 

[cwjerome]

There will have to be common ground... there is always compromise. That is, unless the Dems continue to embrace the arrogant elites and render themselves irrelevant.

Now excuse me, I have to go eat dinner... made possible by the kindness of low-IQ, racist, bible-thumping, redneck farmers and ranchers

 

[Steeplerot]

Until bush is in prison, never.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: steeplerot
Until bush is in prison, never.

If Clinton got impeached for getting a bj it seems fair Bush would be imprisoned for starting a war based on lies and deception.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I tried a thread like this the other day, it was a flop...

The people that really count are those in Democratic leadership positions, they need to decide if they'll redefine who they represent & go from there, if they want to go anywhere.

From what I can tell there are 2 schools of thought, hold the ground, not necessarily illogical, they almost won with one of the most liberal senators, & the second is to change some positions & find some common ground.

Many of the posters here seem to be of the first school of thought.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Given the complete inflexibility of the left, and their continued extremist views, I doubt we'll have much common ground. It's hard to have common ground with someone that hates you. Depends...maybe this forum is just an indicator of that rabid leftists, but maybe the democrat politicians will start to realize that the rabid leftists will still vote for them even if they ignore the screeches and hollers.

I am having a little trouble understanding how we can not find some common ground. Aside from Abortion and Gay marriage, I don't recall a lot of the goals of Republicans and Democrats being that different. I do recall questioning about the person best qualified to lead us towards our common goals. Most of Senator Kerry's claims were only to do what President Bush was doing, but to do it better.

Perhaps there may be a hidden Democratic Agenda that I am not aware of?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: alchemize
Given the complete inflexibility of the left, and their continued extremist views, I doubt we'll have much common ground. It's hard to have common ground with someone that hates you. Depends...maybe this forum is just an indicator of that rabid leftists, but maybe the democrat politicians will start to realize that the rabid leftists will still vote for them even if they ignore the screeches and hollers.

I am having a little trouble understanding how we can not find some common ground. Aside from Abortion and Gay marriage, I don't recall a lot of the goals of Republicans and Democrats being that different. I do recall questioning about the person best qualified to lead us towards our common goals. Most of Senator Kerry's claims were only to do what President Bush was doing, but to do it better.

Perhaps there may be a hidden Democratic Agenda that I am not aware of?

Not being a Democrat, I cannot answer to agendas, but the last four years has suggested that Bush believes that compromise is a one way street. That is what many here liked about him, that he is "uncompromising". Well, I agree. He doesn't budge, however he welcomes anyone who adopts his POV. Sorry, but meaningful compromise is impossible except on trivial issues.

Here is a compromise. All records involving decision making and evidence leading to the invasion of Iraq get unfettered access by a special commission. Let's have an investigation and get on with things. In return, people get to know what happened and base sentiments on fact rather than conjecture. We get to know, and Bush gets off the hook if he acted properly.