Finding Common Ground

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BBond
"Bipartisanship is another name for date rape" --
Grover Norquist

A good window into the Republican mindset regarding finding common ground.

This post was a good window into the workings of Bobs brain.

Or as an alternate post:

The inner workings of

Bobs brain


Wow Bob, You were right. Linking to Bullshit is good fun.


Don't take off the mask, Bob.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond
"Bipartisanship is another name for date rape" --
Grover Norquist

A good window into the Republican mindset regarding finding common ground.

This post was a good window into the workings of Bobs brain.

Or as an alternate post:

The inner workings of

Bobs brain


Wow Bob, You were right. Linking to Bullshit is good fun.


Don't take off the mask, Bob.

OK, Fred. Don't you take off that tin foil hat.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The issues that Republicans and Democrats are disagreeing with (abortion, gay rights, Iraq, etc.) are not things we can compromise on really. It's either your for them or against them as far as I can see. What we need to do is get our government the hell out of these kind of social issues. Let them be decided at the state level. Then I think we would be able to see more bipartisanship and less hatred from both sides.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: Ozoned
George W. Bush is your elected president, again. Undoubtedly this means the conservative agenda will advance. :thumbsup:

The last time around President Bush reached out to find some common ground and got stung.

If President Bush hasn't lost faith in finding common ground, what issue or issue's would you like to see advanced for compromise?


Obviously, there are the untouchable issue's, the ones that got President Bush re-elected. I don't see how he could compromise on these....


[*] Abortion

[*] Stem cell research

[*] Morality

[*] Winning in Iraq

[*] War on terror

[*] Tax breaks

[*] Homeland security

[*] Faith based initiatives

[*] Gay marriage

[*] Judicial reform

[*] Tort reform


I am sure there are some untouchable's that I missed, but there is a lot of wiggle room in finding common ground on other important issue's like Social Security, the economy, environmental reform, and what I suppose would be a myriad of other important issue's that are close to your heart.

What do you really think?

Can we find common ground, or are we simply to resign ourselves to four more years of vile hate filled rhetoric and hyperbole being exchanged and a deepening divide among party lines? :brokenheart:

He has never attepted to find common ground, do you remember 'you are with us or against us'?

Don't forget the "no child left behind" back-stab.

 

[IronMentality]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

He has never attepted to find common ground, do you remember 'you are with us or against us'?

:thumbsup:

Yeah. If you supress people in tyranny, behead people, sell drugs, and bomb our embassies -- you can either join the freedom loving side or be against us. Unbelievable... you make it seem like the USA is the Soviet Union.

I don't believe we murdered and supressed hundreds of millions of people, I believe we created the highest living standards and most wealth out of any other country in world history -- aka the American Dream.

 

[Zebo]

Winning in Iraq
-------------
We've already lost or won. Now just spinning our wheels and losing rubber.


War on terror
-----------------
You go to wars against nouns not verbs. What's next war on murder?



Homeland security
-------------
Read growing police state. This is the only thing I really dislike about the president. Essentially everytime consitutional rights are done away with we never get them all back. The consitution is meaningless today from 200+ years of presidential/congressional erosion. no more land of the free and all that.. the state can wreck you life in an instant over millions of things IRS to terror suspect. Hell now you might not even get to see a courtroom

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I dont see anything the democratic party wants to find a common ground on.

Do you feel this is due to an opposition of a "warped" ideology, or just opposition for the sake of opposition? :frown:

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Isla
I would think that the environment would be common ground, but I also think too many people are in denial about climate change. It's too big of a big picture for them to see.

Maybe once the next ice age is underway, we will have plenty of common ground...

I don't think that we should base our enviromental policy on bad science. There's no conclusive evidence that green house gases cause global warming. Some scientists even beleive that CO2 may decrease global temperatures.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: piasabird
I dont see anything the democratic party wants to find a common ground on.

Do you feel this is due to an opposition of a "warped" ideology, or just opposition for the sake of opposition? :frown:

Well considering they only want to cling to past policy and not develope forward looking policy for a better future, that only leads them to be a party of opposition.

 

[Steeplerot]

I am cool with common ground. As long as the ground is in his jailcell with his fellow thugs.

 

[Cerb]

I think this sort of thread is trollbait.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: alchemize
Given the complete inflexibility of the left, and their continued extremist views, I doubt we'll have much common ground. It's hard to have common ground with someone that hates you. Depends...maybe this forum is just an indicator of that rabid leftists, but maybe the democrat politicians will start to realize that the rabid leftists will still vote for them even if they ignore the screeches and hollers.

I am having a little trouble understanding how we can not find some common ground. Aside from Abortion and Gay marriage, I don't recall a lot of the goals of Republicans and Democrats being that different. I do recall questioning about the person best qualified to lead us towards our common goals. Most of Senator Kerry's claims were only to do what President Bush was doing, but to do it better.

Perhaps there may be a hidden Democratic Agenda that I am not aware of?

Again, look at the posts in this thread. And other threads. Nope, I think we are entering a culture war. Funny thing is, the bigotry and hate is all coming from the left, targeted at a specific religion and set of beliefs. Kinda reminds you of a time long ago. Republicans are communists, and Christians are Jews. They are even starting to hate Hispanics now, as evidenced by some threads popping up. They openly advocate violence and political assassination. They partner with filmmakers to distrubute propaganda. We had a thread about all the violence and intimidation against the GOP. All the civil war threads, the secession threads are coming from leftists. All the conspiracy threads are coming from leftists. They are more depressed about losing an election than losing 3,000 lives. Nope, unless they regain some common sense, I'm afraid there will be no compromise. Until they stop pandering to the minority, and start working with the moderate majority of democrats, there won't be any compromise. 20% of the people (or less) can't dictate what happens in this country. Just think, if WMD's had been found, this would have been a HUGE landslide. But even with that they couldn't win. Now they are bitter and full of hate.

Here it is 5 months after alchemize summarized his thoughts about finding common ground, and nothing seems to be changing. The threads are already starting about the 06 election cycle and what it may look like. The same old lines are being trotted out about the economy and the budget deficit. The bitterness and hatred is as clear and as evident as always. I do enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory thread, though.

I have come to a point in my life where I feel that finding common ground no longer serves any sort of purpose. I even feel that it stagnates what is in the best interest of our society, as it exists today. Simple logic tells me that I should focus 100% of my energy towards making as much money as I can. That is after-all, what benefits me and my family the most. Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay.

It is simply an exercise in futility to compromise your principles to try something that has already been tried and has a history of failure.

If you want to find common ground, you know where to find me, but don't expect it to be easy...

In the interim, b!tch about the current administration all you want along with the current political lanscape of this country, and the party that I support but realize this:

It has and Is accomplishing,,,,, absolutely,,,,, nothing.

[/rant]

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

I have come to a point in my life where I feel that finding common ground no longer serves any sort of purpose.

I even feel that it stagnates what is in the best interest of our society, as it exists today.

Simple logic tells me that I should focus 100% of my energy towards making as much money as I can.

That is after-all, what benefits me and my family the most.

Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay.

In the interim, b!tch about the current administration all you want along with the current political lanscape of this country, and the party that I support but realize this:

It has and Is accomplishing,,,,, absolutely,,,,, nothing.

[/rant]

"Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay."

Congratulations for posting exactly the attitude and what is wrong with the majority of Republicans that think the way you.

The attitude that is destroying the "Society" as it existed.

I can't even come up with or express words that convey the utter disappointment and sadness of seeing American Citizens with such a pathetic disregard, lack of pride and disgust for what was once an incredible United States, land of pursuit of happiness and opportunity for all now lost.

Thank you very fvking much for nothing :thumbsdown: :|

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

I have come to a point in my life where I feel that finding common ground no longer serves any sort of purpose.

I even feel that it stagnates what is in the best interest of our society, as it exists today.

Simple logic tells me that I should focus 100% of my energy towards making as much money as I can.

That is after-all, what benefits me and my family the most.

Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay.

In the interim, b!tch about the current administration all you want along with the current political lanscape of this country, and the party that I support but realize this:

It has and Is accomplishing,,,,, absolutely,,,,, nothing.

[/rant]

"Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay."

Congratulations for posting exactly the attitude and what is wrong with the majority of Republicans that think the way you.

The attitude that is destroying the "Society" as it existed.

I can't even come up with or express words that convey the utter disappointment and sadness of seeing American Citizens with such a pathetic disregard, lack of pride and disgust for what was once an incredible United States, land of pursuit of happiness and opportunity for all now lost.

Thank you very fvking much for nothing :thumbsdown: :|

68% of the US outlay is SS, medicare, and other retirement, Social programs, along with physical, human, and community developement programs.

Somebody has to PAY THE FVCKING BILLS. I am proud to be among them, Dave.

How about you?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

I have come to a point in my life where I feel that finding common ground no longer serves any sort of purpose.

I even feel that it stagnates what is in the best interest of our society, as it exists today.

Simple logic tells me that I should focus 100% of my energy towards making as much money as I can.

That is after-all, what benefits me and my family the most.

Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay.

In the interim, b!tch about the current administration all you want along with the current political lanscape of this country, and the party that I support but realize this:

It has and Is accomplishing,,,,, absolutely,,,,, nothing.

[/rant]

"Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay."

Congratulations for posting exactly the attitude and what is wrong with the majority of Republicans that think the way you.

The attitude that is destroying the "Society" as it existed.

I can't even come up with or express words that convey the utter disappointment and sadness of seeing American Citizens with such a pathetic disregard, lack of pride and disgust for what was once an incredible United States, land of pursuit of happiness and opportunity for all now lost.

Thank you very fvking much for nothing :thumbsdown: :|

68% of the US outlay is SS, medicare, and other retirement, Social programs, along with physical, human, and community developement programs.

Somebody has to PAY THE FVCKING BILLS. I am proud to be among them, Dave.

How about you?

Not bad, a little better dialogue.

You're close but still skirting the core of the problem and issue which is typical of the Republican mindset these days because it is indisputable they have had their minds stripped by powerful forces not seen since early last Century.

Anyway, it's pretty simple really.

Either get rid of all the Illegal Aliens sapping the U.S. dry or make them honest by making them Officially the Southern Citizens that they already are but they are not paying into the system. Hell they ship most of their Tax free money to Mexico.

Get them paying into the system and SS will have a fvking surplus, hell the Country will have a surplus. We'd have so much money we could go and invade every Country we want to simultaneously.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ozoned

I have come to a point in my life where I feel that finding common ground no longer serves any sort of purpose.

I even feel that it stagnates what is in the best interest of our society, as it exists today.

Simple logic tells me that I should focus 100% of my energy towards making as much money as I can.

That is after-all, what benefits me and my family the most.

Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay.

In the interim, b!tch about the current administration all you want along with the current political lanscape of this country, and the party that I support but realize this:

It has and Is accomplishing,,,,, absolutely,,,,, nothing.

[/rant]

"Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay."

Congratulations for posting exactly the attitude and what is wrong with the majority of Republicans that think the way you.

The attitude that is destroying the "Society" as it existed.

I can't even come up with or express words that convey the utter disappointment and sadness of seeing American Citizens with such a pathetic disregard, lack of pride and disgust for what was once an incredible United States, land of pursuit of happiness and opportunity for all now lost.

Thank you very fvking much for nothing :thumbsdown: :|

68% of the US outlay is SS, medicare, and other retirement, Social programs, along with physical, human, and community developement programs.

Somebody has to PAY THE FVCKING BILLS. I am proud to be among them, Dave.

How about you?

Not bad, a little better dialogue.

You're close but still skirting the core of the problem and issue which is typical of the Republican mindset these days because it is indisputable they have had their minds stripped by powerful forces not seen since early last Century.

I think you may have bofofus syndrome, Dave... Heh heh.

 

[impeachbush]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: alchemize
Given the complete inflexibility of the left, and their continued extremist views, I doubt we'll have much common ground. It's hard to have common ground with someone that hates you. Depends...maybe this forum is just an indicator of that rabid leftists, but maybe the democrat politicians will start to realize that the rabid leftists will still vote for them even if they ignore the screeches and hollers.

I am having a little trouble understanding how we can not find some common ground. Aside from Abortion and Gay marriage, I don't recall a lot of the goals of Republicans and Democrats being that different. I do recall questioning about the person best qualified to lead us towards our common goals. Most of Senator Kerry's claims were only to do what President Bush was doing, but to do it better.
Perhaps there may be a hidden Democratic Agenda that I am not aware of

Again, look at the posts in this thread. And other threads. Nope, I think we are entering a culture war. Funny thing is, the bigotry and hate is all coming from the left, targeted at a specific religion and set of beliefs. Kinda reminds you of a time long ago. Republicans are communists, and Christians are Jews. They are even starting to hate Hispanics now, as evidenced by some threads popping up. They openly advocate violence and political assassination. They partner with filmmakers to distrubute propaganda. We had a thread about all the violence and intimidation against the GOP. All the civil war threads, the secession threads are coming from leftists. All the conspiracy threads are coming from leftists. They are more depressed about losing an election than losing 3,000 lives. Nope, unless they regain some common sense, I'm afraid there will be no compromise. Until they stop pandering to the minority, and start working with the moderate majority of democrats, there won't be any compromise. 20% of the people (or less) can't dictate what happens in this country. Just think, if WMD's had been found, this would have been a HUGE landslide. But even with that they couldn't win. Now they are bitter and full of hate.

Here it is 5 months after alchemize summarized his thoughts about finding common ground, and nothing seems to be changing. The threads are already starting about the 06 election cycle and what it may look like. The same old lines are being trotted out about the economy and the budget deficit. The bitterness and hatred is as clear and as evident as always. I do enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory thread, though
I have come to a point in my life where I feel that finding common ground no longer serves any sort of purpose. I even feel that it stagnates what is in the best interest of our society, as it exists today. Simple logic tells me that I should focus 100% of my energy towards making as much money as I can. That is after-all, what benefits me and my family the most. Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay.
It is simply an exercise in futility to compromise your principles to try something that has already been tried and has a history of failure.
If you want to find common ground, you know where to find me, but don't expect it to be easy...
In the interim, b!tch about the current administration all you want along with the current political lanscape of this country, and the party that I support but realize this:
It has and Is accomplishing,,,,, absolutely,,,,, nothing.
[/rant]

Until God humbles your sorry ass, don't come to the bargaining table. This is the most unamerican attitude I've heard from anyone here. My common ground revolves around the constitution, laws, ethics, morality, and compassion, something which the real republicans also used to follow. Until then, use some of this to cover up your horrible stench of corruption... http://www.jossip.com/dailyj/2005_03_gannon_repressionad.jpg

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: impeachbush

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: alchemize
Given the complete inflexibility of the left, and their continued extremist views, I doubt we'll have much common ground. It's hard to have common ground with someone that hates you. Depends...maybe this forum is just an indicator of that rabid leftists, but maybe the democrat politicians will start to realize that the rabid leftists will still vote for them even if they ignore the screeches and hollers.

I am having a little trouble understanding how we can not find some common ground. Aside from Abortion and Gay marriage, I don't recall a lot of the goals of Republicans and Democrats being that different. I do recall questioning about the person best qualified to lead us towards our common goals. Most of Senator Kerry's claims were only to do what President Bush was doing, but to do it better.
Perhaps there may be a hidden Democratic Agenda that I am not aware of

Again, look at the posts in this thread. And other threads. Nope, I think we are entering a culture war. Funny thing is, the bigotry and hate is all coming from the left, targeted at a specific religion and set of beliefs. Kinda reminds you of a time long ago. Republicans are communists, and Christians are Jews. They are even starting to hate Hispanics now, as evidenced by some threads popping up. They openly advocate violence and political assassination. They partner with filmmakers to distrubute propaganda. We had a thread about all the violence and intimidation against the GOP. All the civil war threads, the secession threads are coming from leftists. All the conspiracy threads are coming from leftists. They are more depressed about losing an election than losing 3,000 lives. Nope, unless they regain some common sense, I'm afraid there will be no compromise. Until they stop pandering to the minority, and start working with the moderate majority of democrats, there won't be any compromise. 20% of the people (or less) can't dictate what happens in this country. Just think, if WMD's had been found, this would have been a HUGE landslide. But even with that they couldn't win. Now they are bitter and full of hate.

Here it is 5 months after alchemize summarized his thoughts about finding common ground, and nothing seems to be changing. The threads are already starting about the 06 election cycle and what it may look like. The same old lines are being trotted out about the economy and the budget deficit. The bitterness and hatred is as clear and as evident as always. I do enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory thread, though
I have come to a point in my life where I feel that finding common ground no longer serves any sort of purpose. I even feel that it stagnates what is in the best interest of our society, as it exists today. Simple logic tells me that I should focus 100% of my energy towards making as much money as I can. That is after-all, what benefits me and my family the most. Along with all of the people that benefit from the redistribution of the tax that I pay.
It is simply an exercise in futility to compromise your principles to try something that has already been tried and has a history of failure.
If you want to find common ground, you know where to find me, but don't expect it to be easy...
In the interim, b!tch about the current administration all you want along with the current political lanscape of this country, and the party that I support but realize this:
It has and Is accomplishing,,,,, absolutely,,,,, nothing.
[/rant]

Until God humbles your sorry ass, don't come to the bargaining table. This is the most unamerican attitude I've heard from anyone here. My common ground revolves around the constitution, laws, ethics, morality, and compassion, something which the real republicans also used to follow. Until then, use some of this to cover up your horrible stench of corruption... http://www.jossip.com/dailyj/2005_03_gannon_repressionad.jpg

You're talking to yourself. Their idea of "compromise" is "you agree with us then STFU, otherwise forget about it". More and more everyday these "republicans" show that they really do despise America and everything it stands for.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Several months ago this thread was set up with the basic premise that all of what GWB wanted was untouchable. Oh perhaps what color to redecorate federals buildings were on the table, but nothing important. That means that compromise would be for the opposition to accept what was placed before them.

When you effectively say "Work with us to give us what we want and fsck what you care about", that isn't common ground. It's surrender without terms.

 

[maluckey]

Apparently the issue is with both the left and the right. Neither can see the forest for the trees.......

I have always felt that until a good intelligent discussion occurs between open minded people, no progress will happen. Even if the two sides still cannot agree, they at least had an intelligent discussion, and are likely (sub-consciously at least) processing what they heard. It will make a difference, even if it is not immediately apparent. Persistence, and understanding of that which is discussed is VERY important. Mindless drivel only cements the others viewpoint against you.

In short,

If you do not know of which you speak, and you scream shrilly, then your oppponent will likely not care what you have to say, no matter how many links and references that you use.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm afraid Winston Smith has defined the situation all too well. Trying to compromise with the current Republican leadership is like feeding the bears to get them to go away...

 

[BBond]

I appreciate the sentiment this thread represents. IMO, compromise is the best way to achieve sound policy.

Unfortunately, the following quote is indicative of the attitude of the Republican elite toward finding common ground with the Democratic Party.

Here's an article in Washington Monthly from the man who said, "Bipartisanship is another name for date rape."

IMO, there is no compromise with a party whose ultimate goal is one party rule rather than government by and for all the people.

 

[Moonbeam]

All opposites are resolved in higher understanding

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: BBond
I appreciate the sentiment this thread represents. IMO, compromise is the best way to achieve sound policy.

Unfortunately, the following quote is indicative of the attitude of the Republican elite toward finding common ground with the Democratic Party.

Here's an article in Washington Monthly from the man who said, "Bipartisanship is another name for date rape."

IMO, there is no compromise with a party whose ultimate goal is one party rule rather than government by and for all the people.

Hey, you trying to labeled as a partisian? This is a majority wins country. When elected, the people who lose have no right to representation. The only thing they can expect is to pay more taxes. That''s only fair. The Dem's are the "do nothing" party with no ideas anyway.

Yes that is meant as sarcasm.

 

[arsbanned]

No.
The Democrats should fight the right wing fundies tooth and nail until we can send them back to Tejas. Surprisingly -given the amount of conservative masturbation following the election- the Dems have been quite effective at stymieing the right wing agenda so far. Bush is already a lame duck, only weeks into his term. hahahaha! :thumbsup: