Finally, I take no responsibility for what you do with the information in this guide. Overclock your hardware at your ow

[dclive]

Originally posted by: starams5


Well, well, well if it Ronald McDonald himself. I don't really care how many burgers you flipped or what you bought. "Lets point out all the flaws in everyone else" The truth is, you are nothing but a coward, fess up Ronald.

What in the world does your post have to do with his? His is yet another voice in the chorus that's condemning your actions.

If you break something, man up and fix it - don't try to get everyone else to pay for it.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: starams5

I started LMAO when I seen this. To answer your question, yes I initially feel guilty about RMAing parts when its my fault they failed but not all of us can afford ($$$) to take the high road. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

and then later:

You are a complete idiot if you think I admitted anything, fool!

You admitted exactly that when you wrote the above - you RMAd parts when it was your fault they broke.

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: starams5


Well, well, well if it Ronald McDonald himself. I don't really care how many burgers you flipped or what you bought. "Lets point out all the flaws in everyone else" The truth is, you are nothing but a coward, fess up Ronald.

What in the world does your post have to do with his? His is yet another voice in the chorus that's condemning your actions.

If you break something, man up and fix it - don't try to get everyone else to pay for it.

All I see is a bunch of hypercritical followers.

 

[dclive]

snip

This is pointless. Some people don't have morality.

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: starams5
All I see is a bunch of hypercritical followers.

Why do you steal from others? Or perhaps more to the point, why do you defend that action publicly?

The only fraud going on around here is you claiming to be a saint.

This type of personal attack is not allowed here. Clean up your act, or you will get a vacation

Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: starams5

I started LMAO when I seen this. To answer your question, yes I initially feel guilty about RMAing parts when its my fault they failed but not all of us can afford ($$$) to take the high road. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

and then later:

You are a complete idiot if you think I admitted anything, fool!

You admitted exactly that when you wrote the above - you RMAd parts when it was your fault they broke.

Above clearly demonstrates fraud.

 

[starams5]

And I stand by everything I said, you are the coward for not standing up for any of your wrong doings. You would rather have us all believe otherwise then be a man and tell the truth. Coward!

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: starams5
And I stand by everything I said, you are the coward for not standing up for any of your wrong doings. You would rather have us all believe otherwise then be a man and tell the truth. Coward!

The simple fact that you feel the need to attack of people to justify your action's rather than just take it on the chin gives us a clear indication of your moral standings.

But to be fair, having worked many years in computer retail I know this for a fact, as long as the failed item in question show's no signs of physical damage (broken components, tampering etc) it will always pass RMA no matter what purpose the item has been used for, which is why some many people can get away with RMA'ing item's that they have used incorrectly (Overclocking etc).

If manufacturers were really worried about the misuse of their products and fraudulent RMA claim's then they would have a more stringent inspection process of returned items in place.

But at the end of the day it's always the consumer that ends up paying for others actions.

I should add that a lot of computer stores will still RMA an item even when they clearly know what the cause of the failure was and it normally should have it's warranty voided.

It all comes down to morals I guess.

 

[soccerballtux]

Still pointing fingers.

Starams5-- FYI: If you vote for the right person, they will send you money as long as you shirk responsibility.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: starams5
And I stand by everything I said, you are the coward for not standing up for any of your wrong doings. You would rather have us all believe otherwise then be a man and tell the truth. Coward!

The simple fact that you feel the need to attack of people to justify your action's rather than just take it on the chin gives us a clear indication of your moral standings.

But to be fair, having worked many years in computer retail I know this for a fact, as long as the failed item in question show's no signs of physical damage (broken components, tampering etc) it will always pass RMA no matter what purpose the item has been used for, which is why some many people can get away with RMA'ing item's that they have used incorrectly (Overclocking etc).

If manufacturers were really worried about the misuse of their products and fraudulent RMA claim's then they would have a more stringent inspection process of returned items in place.

But at the end of the day it's always the consumer that ends up paying for others actions.

It's nearly impossible to test for this stuff. You have to be an engineer to figure it out; and if you're an engineer you've got better things to be doing than testing RMA's.

I for one hope Nvidia/ATI/Intel/AMD come up with a chip that will monitor the voltages you've applied to the different components-- simply log them-- to shut down crap like this.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: starams5
And I stand by everything I said, you are the coward for not standing up for any of your wrong doings. You would rather have us all believe otherwise then be a man and tell the truth. Coward!

The simple fact that you feel the need to attack of people to justify your action's rather than just take it on the chin gives us a clear indication of your moral standings.

But to be fair, having worked many years in computer retail I know this for a fact, as long as the failed item in question show's no signs of physical damage (broken components, tampering etc) it will always pass RMA no matter what purpose the item has been used for, which is why some many people can get away with RMA'ing item's that they have used incorrectly (Overclocking etc).

If manufacturers were really worried about the misuse of their products and fraudulent RMA claim's then they would have a more stringent inspection process of returned items in place.

But at the end of the day it's always the consumer that ends up paying for others actions.

It's nearly impossible to test for this stuff. You have to be an engineer to figure it out; and if you're an engineer you've got better things to be doing than testing RMA's.

I for one hope Nvidia/ATI/Intel/AMD come up with a chip that will monitor the voltages you've applied to the different components-- simply log them-- to shut down crap like this.

A "black box" would be a fantastic idea for computer hardware but it's probably just cheaper for manufacturers to replace failed items rather than implement such a feature.

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: starams5
And I stand by everything I said, you are the coward for not standing up for any of your wrong doings. You would rather have us all believe otherwise then be a man and tell the truth. Coward!

The simple fact that you feel the need to attack of people to justify your action's rather than just take it on the chin gives us a clear indication of your moral standings.

But to be fair, having worked many years in computer retail I know this for a fact, as long as the failed item in question show's no signs of physical damage (broken components, tampering etc) it will always pass RMA no matter what purpose the item has been used for, which is why some many people can get away with RMA'ing item's that they have used incorrectly (Overclocking etc).

If manufacturers were really worried about the misuse of their products and fraudulent RMA claim's then they would have a more stringent inspection process of returned items in place.

But at the end of the day it's always the consumer that ends up paying for others actions.

It's nearly impossible to test for this stuff. You have to be an engineer to figure it out; and if you're an engineer you've got better things to be doing than testing RMA's.

I for one hope Nvidia/ATI/Intel/AMD come up with a chip that will monitor the voltages you've applied to the different components-- simply log them-- to shut down crap like this.

So now you want to be a hardware snitch's, what a sad bunch. One jumps off the cliff and they all jump......you're nothing but weak followers and that's all you'll ever be.

This type of personal attack is not allowed here. Clean up your act, or you will get a vacation

Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: starams5
And I stand by everything I said, you are the coward for not standing up for any of your wrong doings. You would rather have us all believe otherwise then be a man and tell the truth. Coward!

The simple fact that you feel the need to attack of people to justify your action's rather than just take it on the chin gives us a clear indication of your moral standings.

But to be fair, having worked many years in computer retail I know this for a fact, as long as the failed item in question show's no signs of physical damage (broken components, tampering etc) it will always pass RMA no matter what purpose the item has been used for, which is why some many people can get away with RMA'ing item's that they have used incorrectly (Overclocking etc).

If manufacturers were really worried about the misuse of their products and fraudulent RMA claim's then they would have a more stringent inspection process of returned items in place.

But at the end of the day it's always the consumer that ends up paying for others actions.

It's nearly impossible to test for this stuff. You have to be an engineer to figure it out; and if you're an engineer you've got better things to be doing than testing RMA's.

I for one hope Nvidia/ATI/Intel/AMD come up with a chip that will monitor the voltages you've applied to the different components-- simply log them-- to shut down crap like this.

So now you want to be a hardware snitch's, what a sad bunch. One jumps off the cliff and they all jump......you're nothing but weak followers and that's all you'll ever be.

Hold on a minute 😛

Weak?
😕

You are the weak one pretending to be something you are not. You take the easy way out every time and then brag about "getting away" with it. You then get all "self righteous" when you get called on it.

You are costing all of his here money by ripping off vendors and now all of a sudden you don't like us pointing out that you have no morals and no personal responsibility?
😕

You are taking the hypocrite route and blaming others are for rightly saying "no" to your elitist, entitled, lack of morals and rude attitude that steals from us all; --you are no one to trade with either, in my book
:roll:

 

[soccerballtux]

ban ban ban!!!

 

[TuxDave]

lol I wish people who commit fraud would at least admit it. The denial/rationalization cracks me up. And yes I have a very high moral standard when it comes to retail purchases so don't use me as an excuse for the crap you do.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
lol I wish people who commit fraud would at least admit it. The denial/rationalization cracks me up. And yes I have a very high moral standard when it comes to retail purchases so don't use me as an excuse for the crap you do.

i wish they wouldn't mention it at all. 😛
- they should be embarrassed instead; this "bragging" just shows their extreme lack of moral fiber
[well, i guess it is a good warning against trading with them 😉 ]

it is just damn irritating when they try to *justify* it by calling the rest of us hypocrites at the same time they are ripping us off by their fraudulent RMAs - and then bragging about it as though it is something desirable for the rest of us to do. :|

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Stumps
A "black box" would be a fantastic idea for computer hardware but it's probably just cheaper for manufacturers to replace failed items rather than implement such a feature.

True, which is why we haven't seen these sorts of features yet in mainstream products. It's certainly technically possible to engineer them.

 

[OCGuy]

Overclocking is extremely easy. If you ruin hardware doing it, you deserve it.

 

[aigomorla]

okey someone once asked me this question... when do you think a RMA is valid.

Here is when and where i think they are valid.

1. when its not a result of a oh shit.. or a oh crap, or a 4 letter word which starts with f.
2. when you cant see anything visably wrong with your card. Ive had video cards die with no apparent reason, and no matter how hard u look they looked brand new.
3. When a capacitor or a mosfet blows out from non tampering. You would be amazed at how many bad caps one can run into.

When i asked a video card vendor when do they usually start denying RMA's.
The typical answer i get is, as long as u didnt run over it with your car, we dont see that you drilled holes into it, and there isnt any signs of you doing something bad to the card.

So basically it all falls down to my #1. If it wasnt a result of a 4 letter word f word, i think your in your all grounds to RMA.


To be honest, a moderate overclock, using an aftermarket sink would = out to the life span of a stock setting + stock sink.

So if you overclock smart, you made an equivalent exchange. Where as i am doing extreme overclocking at the cost of extreme cooling. So my cpu's will probably outlast all yours because it runs that much cooler. 😛

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
okey someone once asked me this question... when do you think a RMA is valid.

Here is when and where i think they are valid.

1. when its not a result of a oh shit.. or a oh crap, or a 4 letter word which starts with f.
2. when you cant see anything visably wrong with your card. Ive had video cards die with no apparent reason, and no matter how hard u look they looked brand new.
3. When a capacitor or a mosfet blows out from non tampering. You would be amazed at how many bad caps one can run into.

When i asked a video card vendor when do they usually start denying RMA's.
The typical answer i get is, as long as u didnt run over it with your car, we dont see that you drilled holes into it, and there isnt any signs of you doing something bad to the card.

So basically it all falls down to my #1. If it wasnt a result of a 4 letter word f word, i think your in your all grounds to RMA.


To be honest, a moderate overclock, using an aftermarket sink would = out to the life span of a stock setting + stock sink.

So if you overclock smart, you made an equivalent exchange. Where as i am doing extreme overclocking at the cost of extreme cooling. So my cpu's will probably outlast all yours because it runs that much cooler. 😛

you guys might enjoy reading this if you haven't seen it yet. i believe the OP works for BFGTech in RMA
[i think 😱] .. but anyway, some great stories and pics of what some people try to RMA [& what happens]

RMA for fun and profit!

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Stumps
A "black box" would be a fantastic idea for computer hardware but it's probably just cheaper for manufacturers to replace failed items rather than implement such a feature.

True, which is why we haven't seen these sorts of features yet in mainstream products. It's certainly technically possible to engineer them.

Would hardly cost much at all; $0.50 for a component and maybe $0.10 for the extra traces.
Once the programming of the MCU is done, it'll be cake to monitor it.
:thumbsup:

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: starams5


"This is about people costing me extra money when I buy parts." If it bothers you then stop buying parts, and stop whining.

No, and no. Please stop trolling. Though you seem to have done so already, so good show!

Leave a thread for a day and look what happens. Good grief.

Originally posted by: apoppin

You have to realize that there is something called "morals"
- the financial crash was related directly to lack of them

what one does affects others .. actually everyone; in higher prices overall

My point exactly. Doesn't take a Moral Orel to figure that out.

Besides, we routinely warn people, edit posts, lock threads, and ban here for even talking about software piracy, so I don't see why we would encourage or tolerate RMA fraud.

 

[Itchrelief]

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: starams5
All I see is a bunch of hypercritical followers.

Why do you steal from others? Or perhaps more to the point, why do you defend that action publicly?

The only fraud going on around here is you claiming to be a saint.

I love how "everyone does it" gives carte blanche to do anything these days.

There is a line between forgiving people for minor past transgressions and rationalizing current and future sins.

In the former, the transgressors attempt to halt the practice. In the latter, there is no attempt to alter behavior at all. It's just empty words "oh I know what I'm doing is wrong" while continuing to do it. In essence, it's just lip service.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Stumps
A "black box" would be a fantastic idea for computer hardware but it's probably just cheaper for manufacturers to replace failed items rather than implement such a feature.

True, which is why we haven't seen these sorts of features yet in mainstream products. It's certainly technically possible to engineer them.

Would hardly cost much at all; $0.50 for a component and maybe $0.10 for the extra traces.
Once the programming of the MCU is done, it'll be cake to monitor it.
:thumbsup:

$0.60 x millions of units is a lot of money, though. Like Stumps pointed out, if it was more cost effective to do this companies already would be.

 

[Modelworks]

I have killed processors before by overclocking / modifying . Two I ruined with a drill bit, depth was set too deep. Another I ruined with painting on conductive paint. That was in the early days when overclocking was a lot harder and usually involved soldering irons, wire and sometimes the occasional pencil.

As for the onboard bios chips. Yes you can screw them up and on the newer boards you can't just swap them out. Usually they are soldered on and they are no longer programmed like the old eprom chips. The new ones are SPI chips that require a programmer designed for the task and different software.