Finally, I take no responsibility for what you do with the information in this guide. Overclock your hardware at your ow

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: taltamir


many are officially against overclocking.

Could you imagine in the future if MS decided to invalidate windows/software etc. if it detected you were running an intentional overclock? :shocked:

For example...

 

[taltamir]

its called trusted computing

 

[Rubycon]

It could be used for that purpose but you can bet it will be used to validate software on a continuous basis as well as providing positive proof of identity on all external transmission, etc.

Anyhow, little OT there.

 

[taltamir]

It could be used for that purpose

What purpose? the only purpose of trusted computing is to control every document, every software piece, every hardware piece. it will be the death of open source and of cheap software and privacy.
Trusted is a CIA term, it means you have compromised that system. The only system you can trust is a system you have gained control of against its user's/owner's wishes.

Although for now they are selling them as "security features for corporations".

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I've never quite understood the reasoning behind providing northbridge/southbridge voltage adjustments that are basically known to kill the chip. Seems pointless to me.

I think this is why they're often color coded. The computer I'm using right now has blue, yellow, and red to indicate the level of craziness you're doing when you change the voltage. One of my other computers is just blue and red.

Trusted is a CIA term, it means you have compromised that system. The only system you can trust is a system you have gained control of

lol. Sort of like when I "neutralize" people in video games.

 

[jaggerwild]

Gigabyte has a back up bios or multi bioses. If you read and learn then google the parts you have it is really hard to kill stuff. I can go to XS forum right now find an over clock on my stuff, and not worry about if it's gonna blow or not. You can not tell me that example "Intel EE chips" go bad on there own. A thousand dollar chip, there are many who get free replacements.
The refused all my requests for a warranty, every other company has replaced stuff for me with out an issue.I do not do it on purpose but have killed a few things..........

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: MikeShunt

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

lol same here, I've RMA'd stuff that I'd blatently screwed up myself and its always been replaced. they dont have th etime to test everything.

My uncle's laptop broke down a couple of weeks ago and it's out of warranty. He called HP and they said it would cost $300.00 just to look at it.....do you think HP feels any guilt?

Stop trying to pass blame, own up and accept the responsibility that regardless of what others do, what you are doing is stealing and increasing the cost to everyone else.

Men don't pass blame like that.
Children do. Have the balls to take responsibility.

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: MikeShunt

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

lol same here, I've RMA'd stuff that I'd blatently screwed up myself and its always been replaced. they dont have th etime to test everything.

My uncle's laptop broke down a couple of weeks ago and it's out of warranty. He called HP and they said it would cost $300.00 just to look at it.....do you think HP feels any guilt?

Stop trying to pass blame, own up and accept the responsibility that regardless of what others do, what you are doing is stealing and increasing the cost to everyone else.

Men don't pass blame like that.
Children do. Have the balls to take responsibility.

You're the one playing with soccerball's not us, we were men and fessed up to what we did if anybody's hiding anything its you......get real and drop the honest John act because that's all it is, an act to impress others.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm still on the fence about RMA'ing my Asus 9600GSO "top" video card that burned out, running F@H. It was getting up to 96C, the factory stock cooler sucks, and the card offers no fan control with RivaTuner.

I never modded it, nor overclocked it (beyond what the factory OC was set to).

But was I abusing it, running F@H 24/7 for two weeks at the unfortunately elevated temps? (Antec 300 case with all fans installed, running on high).

 

[arkcom]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I'm still on the fence about RMA'ing my Asus 9600GSO "top" video card that burned out, running F@H. It was getting up to 96C, the factory stock cooler sucks, and the card offers no fan control with RivaTuner.

I never modded it, nor overclocked it (beyond what the factory OC was set to).

But was I abusing it, running F@H 24/7 for two weeks at the unfortunately elevated temps? (Antec 300 case with all fans installed, running on high).

I wouldn't feel too bad about it. Given enough mountain dew and hot pockets, I'm sure some people could do 2 weeks straight of WOW.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
i've only killed 3 out of all the massive amounts of cpu's i got to play with.

1 was intensional, massive vcore on full load.

1 was on accident, (bad de lidding job).

1 i have no idea why.

So if you really look at it, and your smart in your overclocking, having only lost 1 on accident isnt so bad.

And ive owned A LOT of cpu's, a lot of high end ones expecially.

Give us a realistic figure of "how many" please
-"massive" has no meaning without parameters

i have only fried one Intel CPU - and it was tested at only the mildest OC with no voltage increase- nor ANY temperature rise; in fact i set it back to stock before it just refused to start up.
- that is why there are warranties .. i have lost Mobos also; but never due to OC'ing

Video cards are a different matter with me; they don't last [anyway] so i don't OC - except for the briefest moderate testing

Originally posted by: FalseChristian

Originally posted by: ricleo2


Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

What are you...a Jehovah's Witness?

What's a "Witless"


it is CONSCIENCE ... it is rarely black and white
- how does one know for sure that their overclocking did the damage at all?

Most importantly, who am *i* to judge the conscience and actions of others in these gray areas ?

 

[aigomorla]

oh man apoppin... u want me to list them out dont you?

Okey so i'll start from C2D days since thats where i offically started going crazy with CPU's.

I lost an Opty from a bad delidding job.

The 2 cpu's i broke are C2D's.

The one i killed was an E8400 intensional @ 1.55vcore under full load.
The ony i lost for unknown reasons was a QX6700.

How many processors have i had?

Lets see...

E6600
E6850
E7200
E7300
E8400
E8500
E8600


Those are my dualcore funs i had.. Oh i didnt including the Xeon side names tho..

Then lets goto quadcores...
QX6700 <sigh i cried on this one with the an ASUS Striker>
Q6600 x 3 B3 editions
Q6600 x 2 G0 editions

Then i graduated from kentsfield and went to yorkfied.
Qx9650
Q9550 E0
Q9650 x2 E0
X3370 x 2 E0

Now to i7, i havent killd one yet...
X5580 x 2 My gainestown
i7 965 C0/C1
i7 975 D0/D1
i7 W3580
i7 W3570

<gulftown to arrive in a few more months>


So i think that should fill in a value under your "what is massive amount."

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
oh man apoppin... u want me to list them out dont you?

Okey so i'll start from C2D days since thats where i offically started going crazy with CPU's.

I lost an Opty from a bad delidding job.

The 2 cpu's i broke are C2D's.

The one i killed was an E8400 intensional @ 1.55vcore under full load.
The ony i lost for unknown reasons was a QX6700.

How many processors have i had?

Lets see...

E6600
E6850
E7200
E7300
E8400
E8500
E8600


Those are my dualcore funs i had.. Oh i didnt including the Xeon side names tho..

Then lets goto quadcores...
QX6700 <sigh i cried on this one with the an ASUS Striker>
Q6600 x 3 B3 editions
Q6600 x 2 G0 editions

Then i graduated from kentsfield and went to yorkfied.
Qx9650
Q9550 E0
Q9650 x2 E0
X3370 x 2 E0

Now to i7, i havent killd one yet...
X5580 x 2 My gainestown
i7 965 C0/C1
i7 975 D0/D1
i7 W3580
i7 W3570

<gulftown to arrive in a few more months>


So i think that should fill in a value under your "what is massive amount."

well ,,, actually .... no .. i was asking for an "approximation" of what "A LOT" and "Massive Amount" meant .. i count 19 now

You went way above and beyond the CoD

. . . so roughly 1 outta ten failed

mahalo

 

[aigomorla]

well the 1 quadcore i lost was a kentsfield.. a BUGGED kentsfield.

if u remember they EOL'd it pretty dayam fast to the QX6800.

I sold the entire system to someone else who wanted it tho.

But im willing to say, its gonna be hard to kill a B3 or a G0 kentsfield, unless ur doing something really stupid.

 

[apoppin]

well, then now it makes a little more sense

You stress test them and you really have only one out of 18 that can be attributed to O/C'ing

i *guess* that is what vendors figure .. a 5% RMA rate is not bad for the oc'ers - who are a small percentage of the overall sold anyway

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I'm still on the fence about RMA'ing my Asus 9600GSO "top" video card that burned out, running F@H. It was getting up to 96C, the factory stock cooler sucks, and the card offers no fan control with RivaTuner.

I never modded it, nor overclocked it (beyond what the factory OC was set to).

But was I abusing it, running F@H 24/7 for two weeks at the unfortunately elevated temps? (Antec 300 case with all fans installed, running on high).

if you did NOT overclock it YOURSELF... then you are fully entitled to a warranty replacement!
Warranty: a guarantee that if the item fails during use then it shall be replaced. And according to nvidia, using CUDA as a computation system is "normal intended use".

if asus chose to overclock it in the factory while skimping on the cooler, they are why it failed. If it was getting 96 degrees it probably had a misapplied thermal paste... and according to asus you are NOT allowed to fix that yourself (doing so voids your warranty)... so they break it and forbid you from fixing it.. RMA that sucker!

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i *guess* that is what vendors figure .. a 5% RMA rate is not bad for the oc'ers - who are a small percentage of the overall sold anyway

5% for me would be like 1% to you guys to be honest.

I really stress the shit out of my chips, and ive done 2 attempts at killing cpu's.

Wolfdale, and 45nm = you can kill them with 1.5Vcore period. That includes yorkfield.

Kentsfield... meh... as i said unless your doing something stupid... like 1.6vcore+ good luck killing that tank.

:T

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: apoppin

i *guess* that is what vendors figure .. a 5% RMA rate is not bad for the oc'ers - who are a small percentage of the overall sold anyway

5% for me would be like 1% to you guys to be honest.

I really stress the shit out of my chips, and ive done 2 attempts at killing cpu's.

Wolfdale, and 45nm = you can kill them with 1.5Vcore period. That includes yorkfield.

Kentsfield... meh... as i said unless your doing something stupid... like 1.6vcore+ good luck killing that tank.

:T

i can't agree

you know what you are doing

there are 10x [at least] more stupid OC'ers - haven't you seen Video?

.. i think 5% is low

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: starams5

You're the one playing with soccerball's not us, we were men and fessed up to what we did if anybody's hiding anything its you......get real and drop the honest John act because that's all it is, an act to impress others.

RMAing chips, board, and other parts that you have knowingly (or unknowingly, in the case of ignorance) damaged to the point of uselessness is not only fraudulent but also harmful to anyone else purchasing equipment from the vendor or manufacturer responsible for handling RMAs. When the company accepting the return has to eat the cost of wasted parts, they just pass the cost on to the rest of us.

Jackballs who RMA stuff they fried by overvolting too much or what have you cost everyone money.

The "gray area" here is when you RMA something because it does not perform as expected when pushed out of spec; the company can easily box the product back up and sell it off to another customer who could happily use the product within spec without difficulty. It just wastes some time and money on shipping, though those costs are often shouldered by the buyer seeking an RMA so no harm, no foul. It's not entirely honest but it doesn't cost me anything, unless I'm enough of a sucker to buy an open-box product expecting an uber-overclocker only to find that I have someone's used chip with a high vid and a low OC ceiling.

 

[apoppin]

sometimes what you get is marginal

pushing it a bit out of spec may give you an immediate idea of future reliability

if i may bore you with an example

i recently bought a HIS 4890 from NewEgg with the intention of keeping it; it performed up to spec - BUT would not work at Diamond's relatively mildly OC UNLESS you cranked the VGA cooling fan way the heck up to annoying

Still, i was going to keep it .. however, it ran too hot as a 2nd card in CF even at stock speeds [as it is supposed to do] - in either slot and i was concerned about future RMA; so i sent it back - and told NewEgg this story so they could make the decision

Well, i got all my money back, a UPS return label for free shipping
. . . . and i immediately got more HW from them

and someone has a cheap open box HiS 4890 that is decent but should not be in CF nor overclocked


OK with that ? ... that is as gray as i get on RMAs
[not counting my hair]

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
But was I abusing it, running F@H 24/7 for two weeks at the unfortunately elevated temps? (Antec 300 case with all fans installed, running on high).

I like to follow Silent Rob's approach to this one. When he said he went through 8 Xbox 360s, some people posted that they broke because he played them too much. His response was that a piece of electronic equipment should last no less than 5 years of constant playing and if not it should say on the box how long you can play it. That's a fairly standard thing, really. Putting a time limit on how long something can be used is called a "duty cycle"; the manufacturer should state the duty cycle of the video card if they don't want you using it 24/7.

Video cards are a different matter with me; they don't last [anyway] so i don't OC

It sounds like your house might have really bad power. My house has pretty good power, but the UPS systems in my computer room both switch on for a second any time someone uses the vacuum cleaner. If a house has bad power, UPS systems could be switching on every time someone uses a blender, vacuum cleaner, washing machine, or any other inductive load (anything with a motor). Without a UPS, bad power can destroy electronic equipment.

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: starams5

You're the one playing with soccerball's not us, we were men and fessed up to what we did if anybody's hiding anything its you......get real and drop the honest John act because that's all it is, an act to impress others.

RMAing chips, board, and other parts that you have knowingly (or unknowingly, in the case of ignorance) damaged to the point of uselessness is not only fraudulent but also harmful to anyone else purchasing equipment from the vendor or manufacturer responsible for handling RMAs. When the company accepting the return has to eat the cost of wasted parts, they just pass the cost on to the rest of us.

Jackballs who RMA stuff they fried by overvolting too much or what have you cost everyone money.

The "gray area" here is when you RMA something because it does not perform as expected when pushed out of spec; the company can easily box the product back up and sell it off to another customer who could happily use the product within spec without difficulty. It just wastes some time and money on shipping, though those costs are often shouldered by the buyer seeking an RMA so no harm, no foul. It's not entirely honest but it doesn't cost me anything, unless I'm enough of a sucker to buy an open-box product expecting an uber-overclocker only to find that I have someone's used chip with a high vid and a low OC ceiling.

I guess this is what makes us all different D, because the way I see it you would have to be a total jackass, king nerd, to run out and buy a replacement part without at least trying the RMA. I don't buy the righteous routine, everyone has a bone or two in their closet.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Video cards are a different matter with me; they don't last [anyway] so i don't OC

It sounds like your house might have really bad power. My house has pretty good power, but the UPS systems in my computer room both switch on for a second any time someone uses the vacuum cleaner. If a house has bad power, UPS systems could be switching on every time someone uses a blender, vacuum cleaner, washing machine, or any other inductive load (anything with a motor). Without a UPS, bad power can destroy electronic equipment.

not really - it never happens to CPUs; and i have a really decent UPS [850w1750 va]
- i think it has more to do with my relatively high ambient temps - mine are in the low 80s for most of the Summer - which is when i tend to fry video cards.

 

[ShawnD1]

80s isn't too bad. A GeForce 7950GT does that at no load and it never seems to break.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
80s isn't too bad. A GeForce 7950GT does that at no load and it never seems to break.

80F - ambient temperatures

everything runs much hotter than in Winter when it is low 70s F
- of course i just got a new case - Cooler Master Gladiator 600 and its airflow is also way better than my ancient Aspire