Finally, I take no responsibility for what you do with the information in this guide. Overclock your hardware at your ow

[ricleo2]

"Finally, I take no responsibility for what you do with the information in this guide. Overclock your hardware at your own risk. "

If overclocking voids the warranty why do hardware manufacturers make it so easy to do so? I would like to overclock my E8500 but the warranty forbids me so. I understand some manufactures can't tell you overclocked, so if you return something because you broke it what does that make you? Tell me, do you realize you did something wrong but returned it anyway? I would like to understand your rationale.

 

[starams5]

An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

 

[Sylvanas]

I've never damaged a board or CPU/GPU as a result of overclocking- maybe if I had the same components running for 10years some might die early but thats not the case so I don't mind.

 

[aigomorla]

i've only killed 3 out of all the massive amounts of cpu's i got to play with.

1 was intensional, massive vcore on full load.

1 was on accident, (bad de lidding job).

1 i have no idea why.

So if you really look at it, and your smart in your overclocking, having only lost 1 on accident isnt so bad.

And ive owned A LOT of cpu's, a lot of high end ones expecially.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: ricleo2
"Finally, I take no responsibility for what you do with the information in this guide. Overclock your hardware at your own risk. "

If overclocking voids the warranty why do hardware manufacturers make it so easy to do so? I would like to overclock my E8500 but the warranty forbids me so. I understand some manufactures can't tell you overclocked, so if you return something because you broke it what does that make you? Tell me, do you realize you did something wrong but returned it anyway? I would like to understand your rationale.

It's easy to do because it's almost impossible to damage the chip by overclocking it. If you overclock it too high, all that happens is the computer will either refuse to boot or it will crash when attempting to run certain programs (mostly games). To actually damage the chip, you would need to do something silly like increase the voltage, maybe lower the clock speed so it doesn't overheat (???), and disable Intel or AMD's built in protection systems.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: ricleo2
"Finally, I take no responsibility for what you do with the information in this guide. Overclock your hardware at your own risk. "

If overclocking voids the warranty why do hardware manufacturers make it so easy to do so? I would like to overclock my E8500 but the warranty forbids me so. I understand some manufactures can't tell you overclocked, so if you return something because you broke it what does that make you? Tell me, do you realize you did something wrong but returned it anyway? I would like to understand your rationale.

Well... intel and AMD put a lot of anti overclocking systems in place. motherboards specialize in bypassing those systems.

As shawnD1 said, its really hard to damage without voltage increase... but that is not the reason...

the reason is the same reason they sell tabacco and alcohol, there is a MARKET for it. If people will pay money to do something even though its "bad for them" because they enjoy it and accept the risks (and in this case, maybe save money depending on their budgeting and OC level)... then why shouldn't intel or AMD sell them processors allowing OC without accepting liability?
This is similar to a modern cigarette company selling you a chub and saying "hey, this stuff here? it causes cancer! smoke at your own risk" well... obviously OCing is not cancer causing, i mean it is similar in the companies policy, not in the "damaging effects"... the only damage is that you MIGHT fry your chip if you mess it up.

 

[ricleo2]

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

 

[FalseChristian]

Originally posted by: ricleo2


Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

What are you...a Jehovah's Witness?

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: ricleo2

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

I started LMAO when I seen this. To answer your question, yes I initially feel guilty about RMAing parts when its my fault they failed but not all of us can afford ($$$) to take the high road. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: ricleo2

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

I started LMAO when I seen this. To answer your question, yes I initially feel guilty about RMAing parts when its my fault they failed but not all of us can't afford ($$$) to take the high road. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

I know how you can kill a CPU by overclocking (too much heat or voltage), but motherboards just have settings. How can you kill them by overclocking ? Its the cpu thats being overclocked, not the motherboard....

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: ricleo2

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

I started LMAO when I seen this. To answer your question, yes I initially feel guilty about RMAing parts when its my fault they failed but not all of us can't afford ($$$) to take the high road. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

I know how you can kill a CPU by overclocking (too much heat or voltage), but motherboards just have settings. How can you kill them by overclocking ? Its the cpu thats being overclocked, not the motherboard....

well, some let you overvolt the northbridge, but generally speaking, the mobo is a tool for overclocking the CPU and maybe ram and video... it should not break because it was designed for it. overclocking boards have features that overclock a CPU despite the cpus built in anti overclocking. non OC mobos do not have the OPTION to overclock.

Basically, you use a mobo to overclock a cpu, you do not actually overclock the motherboard itself. just like how opening an xbox or PS3 will void their warranty, but not the SCREWDRIVER's warranty

 

[VirtualLarry]

I've never quite understood the reasoning behind providing northbridge/southbridge voltage adjustments that are basically known to kill the chip. Seems pointless to me.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I've never quite understood the reasoning behind providing northbridge/southbridge voltage adjustments that are basically known to kill the chip. Seems pointless to me.

...

larry u being serious or this a joke?

NB voltage is important on both the C2Q's and i7.

Your not gonna pull high overclocks unless your board has voltage going though it to handle the faster lanes of traffic.

 

[ricleo2]

Originally posted by: FalseChristian

Originally posted by: ricleo2


Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

What are you...a Jehovah's Witness?

No, but apparently I am very naive and a dinosaur.

 

[ricleo2]

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: ricleo2

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

I started LMAO when I seen this. To answer your question, yes I initially feel guilty about RMAing parts when its my fault they failed but not all of us can't afford ($$$) to take the high road. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

Interesting rationalization. My guess this is a common one.

 

[ricleo2]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: starams5

Originally posted by: ricleo2

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

Did you hesitate before you RMA'd thoses boards knowing you damaged them? Did you feel the slightest regrets knowing what you are doing was wrong according to the warranty? How did you rationalize your actions?

I started LMAO when I seen this. To answer your question, yes I initially feel guilty about RMAing parts when its my fault they failed but not all of us can't afford ($$$) to take the high road. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

I know how you can kill a CPU by overclocking (too much heat or voltage), but motherboards just have settings. How can you kill them by overclocking ? Its the cpu thats being overclocked, not the motherboard....

As I novice, I think when my warranty is up, I will overclock as much as I can without voltage adjustments. It seems like overclocking would be a little fun.

 

[starams5]

I have never lost a CPU due to overclocking but loosing a board due to corrupting the bios is not a stretch. At a certain frequency (ASUS) the bios will update the CPU profile, can't remember the the exact message and I'm not about to duplicate it either. Although I have never touched anything during this process, you are clearly warned not to and on rare occasions this CPU profile update goes south resulting in a corrupt bios.

 

[frostedflakes]

It's pretty hard to damage stuff by overclocking. Unless you really push the voltage or something stupid like that.

Manufacturers understand the risks of overclocking, if RMAs due to damaged hardware were a big enough problem they would find ways to prevent overclocking via hardware/software instead of just telling people not to do it. Many are "officially" against overclocking, but it's pretty obvious they don't actually care. The overclocking/enthusiast market is pretty big, manufacturers probably make a lot more money from enthusiast hardware than they lose from RMAs due to users pushing things too far. They realize this and aren't about to bite the hand that feeds them. Some manufacturers are even OK with overclocking. For example I think EVGA's warranty states that they will accept overclocked hardware, they just don't accept stuff that has been physically modified (beyond replacing the cooling).

 

[ricleo2]

Originally posted by: starams5
I have never lost a CPU due to overclocking but loosing a board due to corrupting the bios is not a stretch. At a certain frequency (ASUS) the bios will update the CPU profile, can't remember the the exact message and I'm not about to duplicate it either. Although I have never touched anything during this process, you are clearly warned not to and on rare occasions this CPU profile update goes south resulting in a corrupt bios.

Can a corrupt bios be repaired by flashing it?

 

[frostedflakes]

Yes. Some higher end boards come with a backup BIOS chip to make this process easy. Otherwise you'll have to use an EEPROM programmer.

 

[MikeShunt]

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

lol same here, I've RMA'd stuff that I'd blatently screwed up myself and its always been replaced. they dont have th etime to test everything.

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: ricleo2

Originally posted by: starams5
I have never lost a CPU due to overclocking but loosing a board due to corrupting the bios is not a stretch. At a certain frequency (ASUS) the bios will update the CPU profile, can't remember the the exact message and I'm not about to duplicate it either. Although I have never touched anything during this process, you are clearly warned not to and on rare occasions this CPU profile update goes south resulting in a corrupt bios.

Can a corrupt bios be repaired by flashing it?

I think frostedflakes answered your question "Otherwise you'll have to use an EEPROM programmer." Since this is beyond my capabilities I have to RMA the board, either that or replace the bios. I'm not even sure my bios chip is removable, I'll worry about that when the warranty is up.

 

[starams5]

Originally posted by: MikeShunt

Originally posted by: starams5
An enthusiast understands the job is dirty when he takes it. Ive RMA'd boards and some were due to overclocking, most not. But I have never had an RMA rejected for any reason.

lol same here, I've RMA'd stuff that I'd blatently screwed up myself and its always been replaced. they dont have th etime to test everything.

My uncle's laptop broke down a couple of weeks ago and it's out of warranty. He called HP and they said it would cost $300.00 just to look at it.....do you think HP feels any guilt?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I've never quite understood the reasoning behind providing northbridge/southbridge voltage adjustments that are basically known to kill the chip. Seems pointless to me.

...

larry u being serious or this a joke?

NB voltage is important on both the C2Q's and i7.

Your not gonna pull high overclocks unless your board has voltage going though it to handle the faster lanes of traffic.

Point highlighted in bold. NB voltage adjustment is fine, up to a certain point. But most mobo's that I've seen, allow you to kill the chip with too much voltage, and that makes the mobo useless at that point.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
It's pretty hard to damage stuff by overclocking. Unless you really push the voltage or something stupid like that.

Manufacturers understand the risks of overclocking, if RMAs due to damaged hardware were a big enough problem they would find ways to prevent overclocking via hardware/software instead of just telling people not to do it. Many are "officially" against overclocking, but it's pretty obvious they don't actually care. The overclocking/enthusiast market is pretty big, manufacturers probably make a lot more money from enthusiast hardware than they lose from RMAs due to users pushing things too far. They realize this and aren't about to bite the hand that feeds them. Some manufacturers are even OK with overclocking. For example I think EVGA's warranty states that they will accept overclocked hardware, they just don't accept stuff that has been physically modified (beyond replacing the cooling).

many are officially against overclocking. But many others are officially FOR overclocking. Overclocking, and replacing the default HSF do NOT void your warranty with some manufacturers like BFG, XFX, and eVGA