Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

[MomentsofSanity]

I don't really see how it matters. Reckless driving or drunk driving, unless you've got a damn good reason (other kids ran into the street and I was trying to avoid them) there is no reason to plow into the rear of another vehicle at speed without even trying to stop.

I'm not saying I would have shot the guy myself, since I wouldn't want to go to prison, but I'm not going to cut him any slack because I couldn't tell exactly how drunk he was at the scene.

If the shooter had administered a breathalyser first, then it would have been okay to shoot the guy?

The point is it could have been any number of things. What if the situation was different and the driver suffered some kind of seizure, heart attack etc... which caused the accident.

I have no sympath for people who drive drunk and so much less if they hurt anyone else. I've been there far too many times after someone's life was extinguished by an idiot who made the decision to drive drunk.

I've also been on many scenes where someone suffered a medical event and many witnesses believed the person was under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance and they were not.

 

[highland145]

I have kids, I also was a cop for 9 years. What I don't want is someone deciding to be judge, jury and executioner against my children, or anyone else, because they assume what happened.

I presume you'd be quite alright with someone killing your children for just assuming their guilt then? You wouldn't question it if someone shot your children in the head if they suffered a medical event that cause them to be involved in an accident that killed someone?

Absolutely but you start with

You really aren't too fucking bright are you?

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and we end with .175, mr popo.

We'd probably get along just fine, irl, and be on the same page but right now....KMA.

Your kid, killed by a guy that smelled like a brewery....and you have the experience/knowledge/eye witness(police experience) of events to tell he's looped....and you, may walk because of your training......props to you but it would be hard for many.

 

[wirednuts]

Do two wrongs make a right?

no, they dont. but the father should not go to prison for long, because we do rule by law but with discretion.

i would give him involuntary manslaughter. why not. a jury would go for that, and the dad would get past this at least legally. i cant imagine what is going through his mind mentally. the guy lost his two oldest sons at 10 years of age? oh my god....

 

[zinfamous]

Wouldn't be out of the relm of possibility the person can get off with an insanity plea.

Watching 2 of your kids die in front of you?

Yes, sanity is no where to be found directly after such an event.

I'd agree but he walked back to his home, got his gun, then returned to the scene and executed the guy. That type of behavior doesn't tend to hold up in an insanity plea, afaik.

 

[SheHateMe]

This guy was not temporarily insane. What he did was calculated.

Also can't believe you guys are condoning an retaliatory execution.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This guy was not temporarily insane. What he did was calculated.

Also can't believe you guys are condoning an retaliatory execution.

Let's say he didn't do this, driver goes to jail, release a few years later....and then the father executes him. now THAT's premeditated.

The father responded in the heat of the moment, with intense emotion. I think the temporary insanity plea may just fit for him. I say that as a father, because I can't say for sure I wouldn't have erased the drunk driver from this world either.

 

[Paladin3]

The point is it could have been any number of things. What if the situation was different and the driver suffered some kind of seizure, heart attack etc... which caused the accident.

I have no sympath for people who drive drunk and so much less if they hurt anyone else. I've been there far too many times after someone's life was extinguished by an idiot who made the decision to drive drunk.

I've also been on many scenes where someone suffered a medical event and many witnesses believed the person was under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance and they were not.

I don't know what we are really debating. If it was obvious at the scene that the driver was drunk isn't really an issue for me. Drunk driving is one of those things we tend to semi-condone in the U.S. We give lighter sentences for most drunk driving related deaths because many of us drink ourselves and think "that could be me."

We want our booze, but some of us just aren't wise enough to not abuse it. We can give heavier and heavier sentences for drunk driving, but in the end it won't stop the stupid or addicted from doing what they seem to do best.

When a criminally reckless act is committed and it kills two children, maybe a quick death at the hands of the father is an appropriate penalty. Maybe not. It's a crappy situation all the way around.

 

[SheHateMe]

Let's say he didn't do this, driver goes to jail, release a few years later....and then the father executes him. now THAT's premeditated.

The father responded in the heat of the moment, with intense emotion. I think the temporary insanity plea may just fit for him. I say that as a father, because I can't say for sure I wouldn't have erased the drunk driver from this world either.

No.

I'd agree but he walked back to his home, got his gun, then returned to the scene and executed the guy. That type of behavior doesn't tend to hold up in an insanity plea, afaik.

And even if it went down as you say, he doesn't deserve a free pass either. It's still not OK to murder somebody. Two wrongs don't make a right. His sons aren't going to come back because he executed the man who struck their car.

You people are sitting in this thread advocating for vigilante justice that resulted in a murder.

 

[waggy]

Any paice of shit that gets drunk and drives? worthless. what kind of pea brained puss blister of a dick think's its ok? nothing beyond a worthless sack of shit. less then the dog shit on the bottom of my boots. fuck them.

This idiot killed 2 kids. why? because he thought going out and drinking was great.

instead of calling a cab he drove. Fuck him. hope the father gets off. I know if i was on the jury i wouldn't find guilty at all.

Seems this pile of shit has a history too. fuck that drunk worthless sack of shit.

 

[waggy]

No.






And even if it went down as you say, he doesn't deserve a free pass either. It's still not OK to murder somebody. Two wrongs don't make a right. His sons aren't going to come back because he executed the man who struck their car.

nope. but i can understand the father being in such a total state of shock that all he thought about was this. I could understand it actually.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No.






And even if it went down as you say, he doesn't deserve a free pass either. It's still not OK to murder somebody. Two wrongs don't make a right. His sons aren't going to come back because he executed the man who struck their car.

No about what exactly? Are you disagreeing that the scenario I gave is not premeditated?

And nobody else will lose their life while this drunk driver is at the wheel. gg.

 

[SheHateMe]

No about what exactly? Are you disagreeing that the scenario I gave is not premeditated?

And nobody else will lose their life while this drunk driver is at the wheel. gg.

No, I am disagreeing with you that it was not premeditated.

And sure, lets go out and murder all drunk drivers and people who fall asleep at the wheel too.


I wonder how "and eye for an eye" worked out for the father? Does he feel better now? Did his sons come back from the dead?

Probably not.

 

[DaveSimmons]

No. And even if it went down as you say, he doesn't deserve a free pass either. It's still not OK to murder somebody. Two wrongs don't make a right. His sons aren't going to come back because he executed the man who struck their car.

You people are sitting in this thread advocating for vigilante justice that resulted in a murder.

That's just a proverb, not an argument.

And yes, I am approving of vigilante justice as long as you pick the right target. Like a child-murdering drunk driver.

I wonder how "and eye for an eye" worked out for the father? Does he feel better now? Did his sons come back from the dead?

No, but the child-murderer will never get drunk and drive again. That's a service to humanity.

 

[SheHateMe]

That's just a proverb, not an argument.

.....yet, its true.

No, but the child-murderer will never get drunk and drive again. That's a service to humanity.

Oh, I wasn't aware the father gets to decide what someone's punishment should be. So, I guess its an additional service to humanity to lock up a guy that will murder someone in retaliation. .


Sorry, but you can't convince me that what this guy did was right. If we all lived by your logic on vigilante justice, my family should have been able to shoot the guy who broke into my Great Aunt's house and shot her in her sleep.

Its only fair.

 

[DaveSimmons]

.....yet, its true.

Because you say so?

All righty then. Case closed.

 

[TerryMathews]

This guy was not temporarily insane. What he did was calculated.

Also can't believe you guys are condoning an retaliatory execution.

Why? Many people are condoning it in the Zimmerman thread.

 

[etrigan420]

No, I am disagreeing with you that it was not premeditated.

That is certainly one opinion.

But neither one of us *really* knows anything about what state of mind a father would be in after witnessing 2 of his children die.

So your opinion of "calculated, premeditation" is just as valueless as my opinion that it was "heat of the moment, temporary insanity".

 

[SheHateMe]

Because you say so?

All righty then. Case closed.

That's all you could think of?

Why? Many people are condoning it in the Zimmerman thread.

And I'd say the same thing there. Except, I gave up on the Zimmerman thread a while ago.


...and you think what is being condoned over there is okay to do here too?

 

[waggy]

revenge is not always right. but it is also not always wrong.

who is to say what was going on in the fathers head? i will say i can understand him being out of it. losing a child over a dickhead thinking a beer is more important then the lives of 2 kids? fuck that lowlife sack of cow cum.

 

[highland145]

And I'd say the same thing there. Except, I gave up on the Zimmerman thread a while ago.

Because it is looking like tm was the issue.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Not guilty.

fucker deserved it.

This pretty much sums up the problem. Too many of you view your guns as a license to dispense justice as you see it (like Dorner). As flawed as our justice system often is, it's far better than the vigiantism espoused by so many in this thread.

 

[SheHateMe]

Because it is looking like tm was the issue.

lmao, really? I stopped actively posting in the zimmerman thread over 2 months ago. I left because I was tired of Geosurface and Spidey spreading their racialism all over the place. It had nothing to do with "looking like tm was the issue".

I posted in there about 2 weeks ago and haven't bothered to come back.

My opinion about what occurred remains unchanged.



Nice try.

This pretty much sums up the problem. Too many of you view your guns as a license to dispense justice as you see it (like Dorner). As flawed as our justice system often is, it's far better than the vigiantism espoused by so many in this thread.

This is how I feel. What's next, are people going to start shooting folks when things like having your kid dart into the street and being struck by a car happens? Will that be okay too?

 

[DaveSimmons]

That's all you could think of?

OK, if proverbs are facts today: "an eye for an eye."

.... which was actually a law not just a proverb:

"If a man has destroyed the eye of a man of the gentleman class, they shall destroy his eye .... "

 

[highland145]

lmao, really? I stopped actively posting in the zimmerman thread over 2 months ago. I left because I was tired of Geosurface and Spidey spreading their racialism all over the place. It had nothing to do with "looking like tm was the issue".

I posted in there about 2 weeks ago and haven't bothered to come back.

My opinion about what occurred remains unchanged.



Nice try.

BAM...hook....

 

[SheHateMe]

OK, if proverbs are facts today: "an eye for an eye."

.... which was actually a law not just a proverb:

"If a man has destroyed the eye of a man of the gentleman class, they shall destroy his eye .... "

Okay AND,

did this solve the father's problem? Is he whole now? Are his boys alive again?

Answer the questions.