Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

[waggy]

Okay AND,

did this solve the father's problem? Is he whole now? Are his boys alive again?

Answer the questions.

by that idiotic reasoning why arrest him at all? give the fucknut another beer and send him on his way!

 

[Smoblikat]

Good move. So now not only is his wife going to be raising his other son and daughter alone but those kids are going to grow up only knowing their father through the bars of a prison cell.



Why wouldn't he be? He murdered someone. Pretty sure that is illegal. Two wrongs don't make a right.

There is a difference between whats legal, and whats just. Thats something liberals just cant grasp.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I don't know what we are really debating. If it was obvious at the scene that the driver was drunk isn't really an issue for me. Drunk driving is one of those things we tend to semi-condone in the U.S. We give lighter sentences for most drunk driving related deaths because many of us drink ourselves and think "that could be me."

We want our booze, but some of us just aren't wise enough to not abuse it. We can give heavier and heavier sentences for drunk driving, but in the end it won't stop the stupid or addicted from doing what they seem to do best.

When a criminally reckless act is committed and it kills two children, maybe a quick death at the hands of the father is an appropriate penalty. Maybe not. It's a crappy situation all the way around.

And my point is what is "obviously drunk" isn't always drunk. There are many medical conditions that can make someone appear to be intoxicated. There's a reason I could never stand in front of a judge and just say "he was obviously drunk" and have that be sufficient evidence to support a charge of DUI. In this case, yes he was. But that was determined after a blood draw was done and tested on his corpse.

To me that isn't enough to support someone deciding to be executioner on the scene of any event that isn't self defence. I've been first responder to many accidents that seemed to be an impaired operator that turned out to be a medical situation.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, I am disagreeing with you that it was not premeditated.

And sure, lets go out and murder all drunk drivers and people who fall asleep at the wheel too.


I wonder how "and eye for an eye" worked out for the father? Does he feel better now? Did his sons come back from the dead?

Probably not.

Agree to disagree, due process will decide.

Wow, you just jump right in and lump in people falling asleep at the wheel lol...an over-the-top comparison.

I can only answer 1 of your three questions with any certainty, in order: TBD, N/A, No.

 

[SheHateMe]

Wow, you just jump right in and lump in people falling asleep at the wheel lol...an over-the-top comparison.

People who fall asleep at the wheel kill people too. Just like these two boys.

So no, it is not an over-the-top comparison.

by that idiotic reasoning why arrest him at all? give the fucknut another beer and send him on his way!

Arrest who?

We can't arrest the drunk driver and put him behind bars because he was murdered at the scene.

But, we can't put his killer behind bars because he was just avenging his children's deaths.


Two crimes committed, but one is OK because individuals have the power to decide punishments for people before they get to trial.




I understand emotional attachment, wanting someone to pay....but in all of the situations where someone wronged me, wrong my mother, wronged my aunt....it never crossed my mind that I should take it into my own hands to make sure the person never gets to do the same thing twice.

That makes me no better than them...and another criminal to boot.

 

[OutHouse]

What a tragedy. I hope he's not convicted.

I do. he murdered a guy.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Many child rapists and murderers have the excuse of being abused themselves at one point and far more serious mental illness. Manslaughter due to sheer selfishness may not be a worse crime, but the people that commit such crimes are generally worse human beings. I can agree with those saying that the father would not have been justified in the event that the driver suffered a sudden seizure, and that it is rational that such behavior should have prohibitory consequences, but morally speaking the father was totally in the right.

 

[ch33zw1z]

People who fall asleep at the wheel kill people too. Just like these two boys.

So no, it is not an over-the-top comparison.

People can fall asleep at the wheel for reasons out of their control, and when that happens their license is suspended pending medical approval. People have sleep disorders, can be overworked, side effects of medication, seizures, etc..

People who are DUI do so with no ill will, but knowingly and willing operate a vehicle in an impaired state.

Shit, we've all been there. You're drunk, but who is going to drive you home? Nobody around, and you think about it for a minute, "I'll make it home no problem this time, it's all good."

sleep it off in your fucking car.

so yea, an over-the-top comparison.

 

[Jumpem]

I have no issue with this. Not guilty.

 

[Mixolydian]

revenge is not always right. but it is also not always wrong.

So where is the line drawn, then? When is revenge OK and when is it not OK?

 

[Mixolydian]

i would give him involuntary manslaughter. why not. a jury would go for that, and the dad would get past this at least legally. i cant imagine what is going through his mind mentally. the guy lost his two oldest sons at 10 years of age? oh my god....

I agree, given the circumstances, that involuntary manslaughter is more appropriate than a full blown murder charge.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So where is the line drawn, then? When is revenge OK and when is it not OK?

That, is for a jury to decide

 

[waggy]

So where is the line drawn, then? When is revenge OK and when is it not OK?

that is up to the person and jury i would think. I don't blame the guy for loseing it and killing the sack of shit who just killed his 2 sons because the guy wanted beer.

is it right? who is to say. as a father i understand it. would i do it? who is to say how a person would or should act in such a situation.

could I justify putting him jail? fuck no.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Man, lucky he didn't have a gun so he wouldn't use it in a highly emotional moment.

Oh.

 

[StinkyPinky]

that is up to the person and jury i would think. I don't blame the guy for loseing it and killing the sack of shit who just killed his 2 sons because the guy wanted beer.

is it right? who is to say. as a father i understand it. would i do it? who is to say how a person would or should act in such a situation.

could I justify putting him jail? fuck no.

I think any human being would understand his rage and grief. However the dead guy had a right to a fair trial. It's a freaking founding principle of this country. People suggesting the father did the "right" thing are idiots.

I sincerely hope the jury go easy on him.

 

[waggy]

I think any human being would understand his rage and grief. However the dead guy had a right to a fair trial. It's a freaking founding principle of this country. People suggesting the father did the "right" thing are idiots.

I sincerely hope the jury go easy on him.

sure it is. but rage and grief is a powerful thing.

I also hope the jury goes easy. As i said IF i was on it i couldn't find the guy guilty.

did the guy deserve it? sure. Would i preferred if the father just beat the shit out of him and had him arrested? sure. Do i feel sorry for the fucker getting his brains blown out? not at all.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Man, lucky he didn't have a gun so he wouldn't use it in a highly emotional moment.

Oh.

He didn't even have it on him, he went and got it.

Don't tell me you really think that if he didn't have one that he would have just shrugged and done nothing to the drunk.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Okay AND,

did this solve the father's problem? Is he whole now? Are his boys alive again?

Answer the questions.

I already did:

Originally Posted by DaveSimmons View Post

No, but the child-murderer will never get drunk and drive again. That's a service to humanity.

Bust a deal and face the wheel.

 

[SheHateMe]

People can fall asleep at the wheel for reasons out of their control, and when that happens their license is suspended pending medical approval. People have sleep disorders, can be overworked, side effects of medication, seizures, etc..

People who are DUI do so with no ill will, but knowingly and willing operate a vehicle in an impaired state.

Shit, we've all been there. You're drunk, but who is going to drive you home? Nobody around, and you think about it for a minute, "I'll make it home no problem this time, it's all good."

sleep it off in your fucking car.

so yea, an over-the-top comparison.

And what about people who fall asleep at the wheel because they decided to continue driving when they knew they were tired?

Same level of negligence as a drunk driver.

 

[sixone]

And my point is what is "obviously drunk" isn't always drunk. There are many medical conditions that can make someone appear to be intoxicated. There's a reason I could never stand in front of a judge and just say "he was obviously drunk" and have that be sufficient evidence to support a charge of DUI. In this case, yes he was. But that was determined after a blood draw was done and tested on his corpse.

To me that isn't enough to support someone deciding to be executioner on the scene of any event that isn't self defence. I've been first responder to many accidents that seemed to be an impaired operator that turned out to be a medical situation.

Whether or not the father was able to correctly determine that the driver was drunk is completely irrelevant.

He watched someone drive up and SMASH his kids. The thought makes me physically sick - and they aren't MY kids. I don't think it's reasonable to expect the father to behave reasonably, under those circumstances.

No: what he did wasn't right. But it's certainly understandable, to anyone with a modicum of compassion. You can lock him up for the rest of his life, but that's nothing after what he's already suffered.

 

[DAGTA]

Man, lucky he didn't have a gun so he wouldn't use it in a highly emotional moment.

Oh.

If he didn't have a gun, a baseball bat, a knife, a maglite, etc all would have worked. if guns kills people then pencils mis-spell words.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And what about people who fall asleep at the wheel because they decided to continue driving when they knew they were tired?

Same level of negligence as a drunk driver.

Negligent? Yes. Same level? No. And they're held accountable as well.

 

[StinkyPinky]

If he didn't have a gun, a baseball bat, a knife, a maglite, etc all would have worked. if guns kills people then pencils mis-spell words.

Come on. It's actually pretty hard to bash someone to death when they are running away from you. Most people also survive multiple stabbings. They usually only die if the heart is pierced.

If the gun was removed from the equation then it's most than likely this guy would still be alive.

This is the fundamental problem with gun ownership. You're assuming that when you use it you are in a calm rational place and the use of it can be justified by rational logic. Not in a place where some shithead has just killed your two kids and all rational thought has left you.

 

[DaveSimmons]

And what about people who fall asleep at the wheel because they decided to continue driving when they knew they were tired?

Same level of negligence as a drunk driver.

Yes, if you choose to drive while impaired and kill someone, that's murder in my book, whether it's impaired by booze, street drugs, prescription meds, putting on makeup, or not bothering to go to sleep when you should.

You chose to do it, so you're responsible for the consequences.

If you want to go to work in your sleep, you should take a bus.

 

[MetalMat]

He is going to get convicted of 2nd degree murder no doubt. This is not the Wild West, you can't just openly carry out revenge murder and expect no consequences.