Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

[videogames101]

if it were up to me, i'd let him walk

however, this is a country of laws, and I don't think the authorities have any choice but to levy a murder charge

it sucks, but we've agreed that we can't kill people (even for revenge) and unless laws are changed you can't just make exceptions (even though we do all the time, especially for the extremely rich... sigh)

 

[SheHateMe]

You chose to do it, so you're responsible for the consequences.

And you would say the consequences include being executed by the person whose car you hit....?

 

[Wreckem]

His best shot if convicted is heat of passion/moment(which is similar and confused with temp insanity), which would get him down to 2-20 if convicted.

He doesn't deserve to be let off scott free but he doesn't deserve substantial jail time either.

 

[Wreckem]

Temporary Insanity.

Easiest. Defense. Ever. If he gets a dad or two on the jury, he'll be home before supper.

Has anyone seen the video of that accused child molester getting shot in the head point blank by the victims father?

I think that guy got 5 years probation...and that fit the very definition of "pre-meditated".

This guy saw his kids die right in front of him, I'm not sure that I wouldn't have done the same thing. :|

The guy was never indicted. Difference is, the guy was on his daughter when he killed him. You can use deadly force to protect someone. The guy in this case wasn't protecting anyone. He intentionally killed the drunk driver without legal justification, which is murder in Texas.

Texas doesn't have 1st or 2nd Degree murder. We have Capital Murder and Murder and we don't make distinction between Manslaughter either(no involuntary manslaughter).

As for the person who said, its always a crime if you kill someone in an auto accident. Not really, you have to be criminally negligent. Being at fault doesn't necessarily mean you are criminally negligent.

Here the drunk driver would have likely gotten 15 years for intoxicated manslaughter. 15 years is the most common sentencing, although it can range from probation to 20 years. The father, committed murder, but it was during a moment of passion which would likely get him just 2 years out of a possible 20 year sentence if he is convicted.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Come on. It's actually pretty hard to bash someone to death when they are running away from you. Most people also survive multiple stabbings. They usually only die if the heart is pierced.

If the gun was removed from the equation then it's most than likely this guy would still be alive.

This is the fundamental problem with gun ownership. You're assuming that when you use it you are in a calm rational place and the use of it can be justified by rational logic. Not in a place where some shithead has just killed your two kids and all rational thought has left you.

Dude, the guy was drunk and half passed out in the driver seat after the crash from the sound of it. He had to be if the dad was able to go to the house, get the gun, come back out, walk up to the vehicle, and blast the guy in the head at virtually point blank. The drunk dude wasn't running anywhere. Not like he could run too well with a BAC that high anyway.

Come on, try to think please instead of letting your irrational "evil guns!" emotions get in the way all the time.

 

[xj0hnx]

I think this is a gray area. You cant reasonably expect to stop a car from driving the speed limit if you come across an obstacle that is not visible due to terrain. The blanket it is always your fault I think would fail that litmus test.

Sorry, but there's nothing gray about it at all. If the terrain, and/or weather makes visibility, or reaction times harder/slower, then as the driver you adjust your driving ...period. That's your responsibility as a driver, just because the speed limit is 45 on some little two lane country road doesn't mean it's a good idea to go 45 at night, in the rain, around the curves (I know it wasn't raining, just making a point).

 

[LumbergTech]

And you would say the consequences include being executed by the person whose car you hit....?

Yes. I am 100% comfortable with this. You wipe out a man's family due to drunk driving and you pay.

You come into a man's house uninvited ..especially in the middle of the night..and you pay.

I avoid violence like the plague, but when someone threatens my family its GG.

 

[Wreckem]

Yes. I am 100% comfortable with this. You wipe out a man's family due to drunk driving and you pay.

You come into a man's house uninvited ..especially in the middle of the night..and you pay.

I avoid violence like the plague, but when someone threatens my family its GG.

The difference is, the first is murder and the second is legally justified homicide because of the castle doctrine.

 

[xj0hnx]

Do you honestly believe the driver intended to kill people that night? The shooter sure did.

Sure did when he got behind the wheel drunk. Fuck em.

 

[surfsatwerk]

It's reasonable to petition your elected reps to have drunk drivers executed. It's not reasonable to start murdering people who you think are drunk behind the wheel.

 

[mrrman]

What a tragedy. I hope he's not convicted.

I agree...send a message to all these drunks

 

[MetalMat]

Dude, the guy was drunk and half passed out in the driver seat after the crash from the sound of it. He had to be if the dad was able to go to the house, get the gun, come back out, walk up to the vehicle, and blast the guy in the head at virtually point blank. The drunk dude wasn't running anywhere. Not like he could run too well with a BAC that high anyway.

Come on, try to think please instead of letting your irrational "evil guns!" emotions get in the way all the time.

The guy probably got pretty injured in the wreck by the looks of the picture, his car was totaled. Hell, I'm surprised the father did not get killed or seriously fucked up

 

[NFS4]

It's reasonable to petition your elected reps to have drunk drivers executed. It's not reasonable to start murdering people who you think are drunk behind the wheel.

Maybe if a few more drunks get capped between the eyes, they'll stop driving drunk?

Like if you steal in one of those middle eastern countries and they chop off your hand.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Maybe if a few more drunks get capped between the eyes, they'll stop driving drunk?

Like if you steal in one of those middle eastern countries and they chop off your hand.

Yes we should aspire to be like just like them.

 

[Slew Foot]

Put me in the "give that guy a medal" crowd

 

[Humpy]

I love stories like this and all the pointless arguing that goes along with them.

So some dumbass has his kids out working in the street, at night, and then shoots the other idiot who inevitably comes along and smashes into them with his car. Priceless.

I hope Mom gets convicted of accessory and child abuse, along with Dad's murder, so this perfect storyline wraps up nicely with the surviving child ending up in an abusive foster home.

I'm gonna finish shopping for a new toaster oven on Amazon now.

 

[Dari]

What's sad about all this is that, in addition to the poor guy losing his sons, the drunk's family will sue him into oblivion.

 

[chimaxi83]

I love stories like this and all the pointless arguing that goes along with them.

So some dumbass has his kids out working in the street, at night, and then shoots the other idiot who inevitably comes along and smashes into them with his car. Priceless.

I hope Mom gets convicted of accessory and child abuse, along with Dad's murder, so this perfect storyline wraps up nicely with the surviving child ending up in an abusive foster home.

I'm gonna finish shopping for a new toaster oven on Amazon now.

Leave the basement (if your mom let's you) and get some fresh air bro.

 

[skyking]

Yes we should aspire to be like just like them.

 

[dustb0wlkid]

And my point is what is "obviously drunk" isn't always drunk. There are many medical conditions that can make someone appear to be intoxicated. There's a reason I could never stand in front of a judge and just say "he was obviously drunk" and have that be sufficient evidence to support a charge of DUI. In this case, yes he was. But that was determined after a blood draw was done and tested on his corpse.

To me that isn't enough to support someone deciding to be executioner on the scene of any event that isn't self defence. I've been first responder to many accidents that seemed to be an impaired operator that turned out to be a medical situation.

Wrong. There are very few conditions that would make an unimpaired twenty year old appear to be drunk. And almost all of them are extremely unlikely. At that level of intoxication, it's virtually always quite obvious. Beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm very glad you're neither a doctor nor a cop. You sound like you weren't very good at the latter.

 

[Wreckem]

What's sad about all this is that, in addition to the poor guy losing his sons, the drunk's family will sue him into oblivion.

Sure they could sue, and possibly win. But a judgement means nothing if there aren't assets that can be taken. They are in Texas, which is more or less the most debtor friendly state in the country.

 

[QueBert]

Wrong. There are very few conditions that would make an unimpaired twenty year old appear to be drunk. And almost all of them are extremely unlikely. At that level of intoxication, it's virtually always quite obvious. Beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm very glad you're neither a doctor nor a cop. You sound like you weren't very good at the latter.

There is one thing I can thing of that could make a person appear drunk when not. Just having been in a car accident. You ever hit your head hard? If you do it hard enough you'll stumble around and slur your words like crazy. Boxers who get hit in the head a lot tend to become punch drunk

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Wrong. There are very few conditions that would make an unimpaired twenty year old appear to be drunk. And almost all of them are extremely unlikely. At that level of intoxication, it's virtually always quite obvious. Beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm very glad you're neither a doctor nor a cop. You sound like you weren't very good at the latter.

Right. Certainly aren't many 20 year old diabetics or epiletics in the world and certainly a 20 year old couldn't possibly be suffering an adverse reaction to any kind of medication at all. And certainly a car accident victim wouldn't appear to have any sort of diminished capacity of any kind.

Nope none of those are possible in a 20 year old.

 

[Necrolezbeast]

Sorry, but everyone arguing for this guy is messed up... We don't get to just kill people who wrong us. We have a system that we appointed and agreed on at one point that decides the fate of these assholes... if you don't like the system either try to change it or get the fuck out of any civilized country.

No, the asshole driving shouldn't have been... but that is no excuse for another asshole to shoot him. If you think it is, then you are insane and probably shouldn't be allowed to own or use a gun.. end of story

 

[Zebo]

This is one of those it's wrong and he should pay but I understand.

No way should vigilante justice be allowed else we turn into gangland with blood feuds, bigger stronger meaner... law of the jungle. Think Congo.

e.g. dead mans bro now goes after dad killer and his wife. Then thier family goes after the brother ad infinitum.