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Falsely cited for not wearing seatbelt...

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wow.

that tells me right there... you're insane.

instead of "fighting injustice" of a possibly bad ticket... why aren't you running for president? or congress?

because all you do is talk shit.

no balls to get up and do anything if it doesn't affect you.
:|

Because I'm unelectable under our system, and have no desire to be in those roles anyway. Moreover, no sane citizen should want me there.

I've spent more than enough of my life doing causes (military, rights organizations, charities, community projects, etc) to discount your pitiable chide.
 
I've spent time in jail, it's no big deal. I mean, it sucks, but when you're right you're right, and that's all that matters in the end.

You'd have to be a worthless waste of flesh to not stand up for what's right, no matter the degree of violation.

In the end, most people are ignorant meat and useless sheep anyway. I don't much care what people think, only what's on the record. I did nothing wrong.


No, you'd just have to be batshit insane...which you clearly are.

I'd stand up for someone being hurt or preyed upon but a fucking seatbelt ticket? You're out of your tiny little mind. Good luck with court. Be sure to bring lots of handguns with you in case things aren't going your way.
 
What makes you think I don't care? I've said the consequences don't dictate my response, not that I don't care about what happens (or at least that's what I meant). This is about justice and right, I can't imagine anything that would matter more.

If I'm found guilty (of a crime I didn't commit), I'm going to lose my license, face ever increasing fines (since I'll never pay), and could even be looking at jail for contempt of court or eventual confrontations over the situation. My entire life could be altered or potentially ruined from the false accusation of a public servant. I'd say that's something to be nervous about.

Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. The sad thing is.. there's nothing you can do about it... which is aggravating in and of itself.

I've been to traffic court once, and there was someone in the exact same situation as you. He was ticketed for not wearing a seat belt. The officer testified that he did not see him wearing one. When it was his turn, the guy told the judge that he was wearing one, that he always wears one. The officer again stated that he did not see him wearing one.

The judge found him guilty. You could see the tears in his eyes, and how frustrated and angry he was. I believed him, at least.. lol.

Can you imagine what that kind of power could do to you? Your word practically is the law? Wow. Who knows, maybe the officer did think he saw him not wearing a seat belt, or maybe he did, I don't know. It's still a scary thought. When you throw out burden of proof, what do you have? This, my friends, is why some people have an innate distrust for the police. Sometimes, I don't feel like they're protecting and serving me, they are looking at me like I'm guilty and trying to find a reason they can pull me over. I was once pulled over because, and I quote, "Your license plate is dirty." 😵 It's just upsetting as a whole.

Of course, I have met very cool, grounded cops as well. I know they're all just normal people, but it seems to take a very down to earth individual to not take advantage of the above mentioned power. Then again, there are people that protect and serve, too. If I was being robbed, I suppose it's a pretty nice thought that I could have an officer come out, or perhaps even rescue me. It's just weird though. We called an officer over (on the non emergency number), to take a report when we had a few things stolen by our landlord. When he came to the door, my brother opened the door, said "Hey", and went to shake his hand. The dude went for his gun! My brother was like, "Whoa", and backed off. It's like, really? That doesn't make me feel safe. It really drove home how paranoid(ie: looking at everyone as if they're guilty) the police can be. I shouldn't have to act un-human to gain your trust.

There should be some kind of extremely rigorous psychological challenge/test to become a police officer. And I mean extensive, perhaps 6 months of observation. In a natural setting - the individual doesn't know if or when they're being watched.

Nope, I don't think such a thing would be bad at all....../rant
 
Should have spent time getting to know people that could have helped you. A few months ago, I got a bogus ticket. I called a friend of mine who's a state senator. He ripped the cop a new one and my ticket disappeared.

And too funny you'd go to jail over something so trival. As many have already said, learn to pick the right battles to fight. Unfortunately, life isn't fair.

Also, based on many of your other threads here, you definitely need to see a therapist.
 
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No, you'd just have to be batshit insane...which you clearly are.

I'd stand up for someone being hurt or preyed upon but a fucking seatbelt ticket? You're out of your tiny little mind. Good luck with court. Be sure to bring lots of handguns with you in case things aren't going your way.


Funny you should say that...there actually IS an issue regarding that and providing court goes well I'm going to file over it. Been meaning to for years, but this is the first required appearance at the court house to give me the standing I need. But that's a separate thread. 😎
 
Have you told them you're planning on going to jail, lose your drivers licence, and go bankrupt.. for a $50 seatbelt ticket?

If you did... i guarantee you'd be in the hospital on a 5150

Been similar issues in the past, and in all cases they agreed that I had deeply held convictions inconsistent with popular outlooks, but not clinical in any way.
 
Should have spent time getting to know people that could have helped you. A few months ago, I got a bogus ticket. I called a friend of mine who's a state senator. He ripped the cop a new one and my ticket disappeared.

And too funny you'd go to jail over something so trival. As many have already said, learn to pick the right battles to fight. Unfortunately, life isn't fair.

Also, based on many of your other threads here, you definitely need to see a therapist.

I do know many in government, but it's not time to call them unless/until the normal process fails.

As I've said, I've seen therapists, all of whom disagree with your assessment.
 
Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. The sad thing is.. there's nothing you can do about it... which is aggravating in and of itself.

I've been to traffic court once, and there was someone in the exact same situation as you. He was ticketed for not wearing a seat belt. The officer testified that he did not see him wearing one. When it was his turn, the guy told the judge that he was wearing one, that he always wears one. The officer again stated that he did not see him wearing one.

The judge found him guilty. You could see the tears in his eyes, and how frustrated and angry he was. I believed him, at least.. lol.

Can you imagine what that kind of power could do to you? Your word practically is the law? Wow. Who knows, maybe the officer did think he saw him not wearing a seat belt, or maybe he did, I don't know. It's still a scary thought. When you throw out burden of proof, what do you have? This, my friends, is why some people have an innate distrust for the police. Sometimes, I don't feel like they're protecting and serving me, they are looking at me like I'm guilty and trying to find a reason they can pull me over. I was once pulled over because, and I quote, "Your license plate is dirty." 😵 It's just upsetting as a whole.

Of course, I have met very cool, grounded cops as well. I know they're all just normal people, but it seems to take a very down to earth individual to not take advantage of the above mentioned power. Then again, there are people that protect and serve, too. If I was being robbed, I suppose it's a pretty nice thought that I could have an officer come out, or perhaps even rescue me. It's just weird though. We called an officer over (on the non emergency number), to take a report when we had a few things stolen by our landlord. When he came to the door, my brother opened the door, said "Hey", and went to shake his hand. The dude went for his gun! My brother was like, "Whoa", and backed off. It's like, really? That doesn't make me feel safe. It really drove home how paranoid(ie: looking at everyone as if they're guilty) the police can be. I shouldn't have to act un-human to gain your trust.

There should be some kind of extremely rigorous psychological challenge/test to become a police officer. And I mean extensive, perhaps 6 months of observation. In a natural setting - the individual doesn't know if or when they're being watched.

Nope, I don't think such a thing would be bad at all....../rant

I don't know if he made a mistake, or if it's part of revenue generation. Either way my reaction has to be the same.

I'd like to see it become law that hard evidence is always required in addition to officer testimony. I'd like to see car or personal cams become mandatory on all law enforcement vehicles/personnel.
 
Good luck PoW. I think you're getting wound up over nothing though. Hell, you might get lucky, and your cop won't show up. He may be off for the holidays.
 
Do a FOI (Freedom of information act request) for the in car video from the police officers car of the entire stop, beginning 1 minute before the stop, and for any other related material either printed or written. Then also requests a jury trial... If he stopped you there is video and if he does not provide this info for whatever reason, it may lend to your being believed instead of the officer being that he had and then destroyed evidence of your innocence. Make the officer testify that the video was created ( most vids start 1 minute before the blue lights are turned on", and that it would show wheather or not the seat belt was being used. If this evidence isn't presented by the officer in court, it would help your case.
 
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unless the camera is covering 360 degrees (inside the car, and out) ... it wont help you at all if you get ticketed for not wearing a seatbelt.

Does it have to be just 1? I mean, put in a cabin cam to cover the inside, a dash cam and optionally a rear cam (though a rear facing cabin cam might be enough to see out the back window). That covers most everything. A wide angle for the cabin cam could also cover out the sides partially.
 
Do a FOI (Freedom of information act request) for the in car video from the police officers car of the entire stop, beginning 1 minute before the stop, and for any other related material either printed or written. Then also requests a jury trial...

No cams in our cars here. I already tried to get security vid from two businesses along the travel route, but one was already overwritten and the other refused meaning I would have to spend more in court to get it than was reasonable.

Not allowed juries for traffic court here.
 
Good luck, a retired officer as a witness is a great witnesss to have. Does the officer know the judge? If you lose, pay the fine and be done with it. Then file a complaint with the police department.

Keep your testimony simple, do not exaggerate or get emotional. Stay on the facts and present your case
 
Good luck, a retired officer as a witness is a great witnesss to have. Does the officer know the judge? If you lose, pay the fine and be done with it. Then file a complaint with the police department.

No, he's former LAPD, we're up here in WA. I know him however, for good or bad. LOL

Won't ever pay, no matter what. Hence the nerves.
 
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