Falsely cited for not wearing seatbelt...

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yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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is that the next word on the calendar?

Nah I don't have this said calendar you're speaking of. But it looks like you could use it and study it voraciously since I'll assume the better that you're just merely unfamiliar with my vocabulary rather than lacking the mental capacity to comprehend it.
 

guyver01

Lifer
Sep 25, 2000
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Nah I don't have this said calendar you're speaking of.

Here ya go..

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You should ask for it next year for christmas

Your people do celebrate christmas, right?
 

yhelothar

Lifer
Dec 11, 2002
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aww. did i hurt your wittle fweelings?

AHAHAHA are you kidding me? I think it's clear who here is the one with the sociopathic ego that he so desperately defends and would be willing to perform any kind of mental gymnastics to do so.
 

tcsenter

Lifer
Sep 7, 2001
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Won't ever pay, no matter what. Hence the nerves.
Yes you will. I had a suspended license for nearly two years because I refused to pay a bogus traffic ticket once. And even better, the cop who issued me the citation was the same cop I helped about six months prior, when he was getting his ass kicked by a drunk in front of my apartment complex. He actually got his nose broken by the drunk during the fight, me and another guy helped wrestle the drunk to the ground so that he could cuff him (with his nose bleeding profusely).

I asked, "Do you remember me?" He was like..."No, what, are you supposed to be famous or something?" A real jackass. His father is a judge. And he made me late for work the night that he pulled me over, too. I should have let him get his ass kicked some more.

But the moral of the story is, you will get tired of not having a drivers license and will pay the fines. I did.
 

OBLAMA2009

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i had the same problem. i got a seatbelt ticket and the fine in california was $280. i just paid it and recommend you do the same. when i got a seatbelt ticket a few months before that i tried to contest it and i wasted time on several court appearances (arraignment, traffic trial etc...), got really worked up about it and in the end the court found in its own favor just like it did in 100% of the other cases the day i was in court. so i had just wasted time and energy on it and realistically never had any chance of prevailing because america is a police state and the courts are nothing but a money making scam. cut your loses and pay up before you sink time into it or have a heart attack over it. is two half days of your time worth more than $280? just pay it and forget about it
 

jlee

Lifer
Sep 12, 2001
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i had the same problem. i got a seatbelt ticket and the fine in california was $280. i just paid it and recommend you do the same. when i got a seatbelt ticket a few months before that i tried to contest it and i wasted time on several court appearances (arraignment, traffic trial etc...), got really worked up about it and in the end the court found in its own favor just like it did in 100% of the other cases the day i was in court. so i had just wasted time and energy on it and realistically never had any chance of prevailing because america is a police state and the courts are nothing but a money making scam. cut your loses and pay up before you sink time into it or have a heart attack over it. is two half days of your time worth more than $280? just pay it and forget about it

Uh, no.

Anyway, continue...
 

bruceb

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America is not a police state, (yet), but it is heading that way sometime in the next 10 years or so. And as to traffic courts, sorry to say, but most will always side with the police officer and not with the driver. Now that is not to say police do not make errors at times. They do. Trouble is being able to prove that an error was made and that you should be exonerated of the charges.
 

guyver01

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Sep 25, 2000
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Now that is not to say police do not make errors at times. They do. Trouble is being able to prove that an error was made and that you should be exonerated of the charges.

The funny part?

The OP is trying to use one police officer... to say another police officer lied.

"Don't listen to that police officer. Police officer's lie! but.. um... listen to this one... he's my buddy, so he doesnt lie!"
 

Brigandier

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Feb 12, 2008
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Holy smokes, someone who stands up for himself even when it is the stupidest thing to do? What the hell are you doing in this age, there is no place for you here.
 

dmcowen674

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(especially to someo...ne with a heart condition who's already in a very stressful situation).

I'm planning on charging for my time (researching, preparing, and attending court, @ $15/hr, and then $125 distress, which is $1 more than the ticket is for).

Like I said, I know I won't win that one, but it's the right thing to do.

I'll be following this thread on outcome.

I took my seat belt off in front of an officer that wrongly pulled me over for speeding to get my wallet out of my back pocket.

He then proceeded to write me up for not wearing the seat belt.
 

alphatarget1

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Dec 9, 2001
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For all the cop apologists in this thread: do you not have a problem with cops pulling random motorists over for failing to wear seatbelts even if they are in full compliance with all traffic laws, including seatbelt laws? What happened to probable cause? Is probable cause something that any police officer can simply invent for whatever reason they feel like?

It's a broken system, IMO.

Good luck OP.
 
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JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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For all the cop apologists in this thread: do you not have a problem with cops pulling random motorists over for failing to wear seatbelts even if they are in full compliance with all traffic laws, including seatbelt laws? What happened to probable cause? Is probable cause something that any police officer can simply invent for whatever reason they feel like?

It's a broken system, IMO.

Sure I have a problem with that. Not nearly enough of one to go to the extremes the OP has though.

Honestly, I've never been pulled over and cited for something I haven't done though. I've even been pulled over and took my seatbelt off before the cop got to my door to get my wallet out for him but he took my word for it that I had just removed my belt to get my wallet.

Some cops are dicks...some aren't. Much like the average person you'll meet in everyday life.
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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Yes you will. I had a suspended license for nearly two years because I refused to pay a bogus traffic ticket once. And even better, the cop who issued me the citation was the same cop I helped about six months prior, when he was getting his ass kicked by a drunk in front of my apartment complex. He actually got his nose broken by the drunk during the fight, me and another guy helped wrestle the drunk to the ground so that he could cuff him (with his nose bleeding profusely).

I asked, "Do you remember me?" He was like..."No, what, are you supposed to be famous or something?" A real jackass. I said, "I am the guy that hepeled you with the drunk!. He said, "Oh shit, that's right. You'd better be on your way, sir!
His father is a judge. And he made me late for work the night that he pulled me over, too. I should have let him get his ass kicked some more.

But the moral of the story is, you will get tired of not having a drivers license and will pay the fines. I did.
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The funny part?

The OP is trying to use one police officer... to say another police officer lied.

"Don't listen to that police officer. Police officer's lie! but.. um... listen to this one... he's my buddy, so he doesnt lie!"

That's not exactly true. There are three options for the judge to consider:

1) Officers are always trustworthy and I actually committed the offense. However, if officers are trustworthy then we have an irreconcilable conflict with the two officers. Logically at least one must be incorrect, so no matter what this option provides no solution. If you choose to 'cancel out' the two officers then I'm the only evidence remaining, and so by preponderance standards I should win the verdict.

2) Officers are trustworthy but human and make mistakes. By this option either the citing officer or my witness officer made a mistake. This SHOULD come down to who is more likely in error - the one in the car with me from the beginning, or the one who managed to supposedly catch a glimpse of a seatbelt on a passenger in a moving car traveling perpendicularly to his own vehicle through traffic well ahead of him. It SHOULD result in a judgment in my favor.

3) Officers are not inherently trustworthy so there's no defensible evidence that I committed the offense. In this case, obviously, there wouldn't even BE a citation system because if officers are no more trustworthy than citizens it's usually going to come down to he said/she said. In this case, however, I have more people on my side, giving me the preponderance of evidence regardless.