fackthesouth.com

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Wahsapa
er hem http://sensoryoverload.typepad...1/free_states_vs_.html

Oh, I see you're one of those fools who is easily swayed by a purty picture, and doesn't bother to actually examine it before you go spreading it on to other easily swayed fools.

Oh, I see you're a pompous jackass who presumes and accuses without context, substance, or a point. :thumbsup: to you.

*shrug* Doesn't bother me if you feel that way. There's another thread about this picture, go find that and debate it. Point is, it plays on people's predilection to being swayed by fancy graphics, basically implying that the people in those states would own slaves if they could.

Also, the county by county map is very telling. Blue states are only blue because the major metropolitan cities within them have a majority. However, the county by county map shows that large areas of almost all the "blue" states are a red majority.

What does this mean? This means the "pretty graphics" argument Triumph makes is right. Your comparison maps are irrelevant.

The difference between red and blue is the difference between metropolitan areas, and smaller cities and rural areas. It has nothing to do with southern states or slavery.

Quite simply, the states in which large metropolitan dwellers outnumber rural and small city dwellers went blue, and vice versa.

Actually it was more blended, with the exception of a few Rube States like Oklahoma

 

[imported_Pablo]

Seems to me that a lot of people mistake the South as being the same as rural America, most critical statements about the South seem to be the same as the stuff said about any rural area.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Wahsapa
er hem http://sensoryoverload.typepad...1/free_states_vs_.html

Oh, I see you're one of those fools who is easily swayed by a purty picture, and doesn't bother to actually examine it before you go spreading it on to other easily swayed fools.

Oh, I see you're a pompous jackass who presumes and accuses without context, substance, or a point. :thumbsup: to you.

*shrug* Doesn't bother me if you feel that way. There's another thread about this picture, go find that and debate it. Point is, it plays on people's predilection to being swayed by fancy graphics, basically implying that the people in those states would own slaves if they could.

Also, the county by county map is very telling. Blue states are only blue because the major metropolitan cities within them have a majority. However, the county by county map shows that large areas of almost all the "blue" states are a red majority.

What does this mean? This means the "pretty graphics" argument Triumph makes is right. Your comparison maps are irrelevant.

The difference between red and blue is the difference between metropolitan areas, and smaller cities and rural areas. It has nothing to do with southern states or slavery.

Quite simply, the states in which large metropolitan dwellers outnumber rural and small city dwellers went blue, and vice versa.

Actually it was more blended, with the exception of a few Rube States like Oklahoma

Good map.

 

[mobobuff]

It's bizarre to see a bright blue county right next door to a bright red county

 

[skace]

It is a great rant. Not saying the content is good, but the pure rant value is up there.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually it was more blended, with the exception of a few Rube States like Oklahoma

Looks like a big bruise...

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Man I hate the south.

Incidentally... I have a new found respect for Canada. I'm glad we're touching Canada.

*makes sweet sweet continental love to Canada*


Weeeeeeeee
Blam!

Bite me, yankee

It's people like the creator of that website that made me wish the War of Northern Aggression had not occured. The North is a barren cold wasteland where the people are rude and the food tastes like crap...no thanks....We have New Jerseyites resettling in this area like mad due to the low cost of living and the ability to find jobs. They all comment on how great the food is whenever we eat out and this is at total fvckin hellholes like Golden Corral and steak houses. Good friggin lord if I were to take them to the places where they had the real food they would line up in droves and make the wait time for me unbearable...

I will not turn this into a North vs South or a Civil War flamefest....but when was the last time a Yankee won the presidency? Also, slavery would have died out just like it did in pretty much every other country without the need to start a civil war. The Civil War was fought because the South wanted to be free from Northern tyranny. Fvck the website owner for mentioning the founding fathers...The founding fathers would be shocked to know that half of our nation wants socialism policies and share their beliefs.

Dubya - Texas
Clinton - Arkansas
Bush Sr - A Republican yankee
Reagan - California
Carter - Jawja
Ford - Nebraska
Tricky Dick - California
Johnson - Texas
JFK - Massachusetts (So unpopular the govt probably had him killed)
Eisenhour - Texas
Truman - Missouri
Roosevelt - NY - Founder of welfare...HooRah!

So from the liberal states that were illustrated on the map...we received a pretty darn good republican, a crook, someone who could not even make it a single term before he was wacked, and the father of socialism in the US.

The Top 10 fastest growing states from 1990-2000:
1 Nevada 1,201,833 1,998,257
2 Arizona 3,665,228 5,130,632
3 Colorado 3,294,394 4,301,261
4 Utah 1,722,850 2,233,169
5 Idaho 1,006,749 1,293,953
6 Georgia 6,478,216 8,186,453
7 Florida 12,937,926 15,982,378
8 Texas 16,986,510 20,851,820
9 North Carolina 6,628,637 8,049,313
10 Washington 4,866,692 5,894,121

The Bottom 10:
41 Massachusetts 6,016,425 6,349,097
42 New York 17,990,455 18,976,457
43 Iowa 2,776,755 2,926,324
44 Ohio 10,847,115 11,353,140
45 Rhode Island 1,003,464 1,048,319
46 Maine 1,227,928 1,274,923
47 Connecticut 3,287,116 3,405,565
48 Pennsylvania 11,881,643 12,281,054
49 West Virginia 1,793,477 1,808,344
50 North Dakota 638,800 642,200

Notice a pattern? :evil:

 

It's people like the creator of that website that made me wish the War of Northern Aggression had not occured. The North is a barren cold wasteland where the people are rude and the food tastes like crap...

From personal experience I find the food up north to be much better than down south.

When I was down in south carolina I wanted a steak, so I asked around where the best steak was. Almost everybody told me the best steak was at the outback steakhouse.
The best steak available was at a chain restaurant? I was disappointed.

 

[Deeko]

Nitemare, thats one of the worst, most ludicrious posts Ive ever seen on this board. I could go off on just about every point you made, but I'm at work and I don't have time. Just know that you're an idiot, I'm sure someone here will make the specific points that I would have.

 

[0roo0roo]

yup, pretty true. i call em the slaver states never learn from their mistakes. they just love that good ol persecutin and bigotry

and remember how conservatives rant about taxachusetts? its like wtf..that state is like 31st or something in term of taxes red states need a serious reality check.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SampSon

It's people like the creator of that website that made me wish the War of Northern Aggression had not occured. The North is a barren cold wasteland where the people are rude and the food tastes like crap...

From personal experience I find the food up north to be much better than down south.

When I was down in south carolina I wanted a steak, so I asked around where the best steak was. Almost everybody told me the best steak was at the outback steakhouse.
The best steak available was at a chain restaurant? I was disappointed.

The best steaks are in Texas. If you can't make it to Texas, Ruths Chris. You have Philly Cheese steaks up there and Coney Island dogs, but that's pretty much all I can recall...

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Man I hate the south.

Incidentally... I have a new found respect for Canada. I'm glad we're touching Canada.

*makes sweet sweet continental love to Canada*


Weeeeeeeee
Blam!

The Top 10 fastest growing states from 1990-2000:
1 Nevada 1,201,833 1,998,257
2 Arizona 3,665,228 5,130,632
3 Colorado 3,294,394 4,301,261
4 Utah 1,722,850 2,233,169
5 Idaho 1,006,749 1,293,953
6 Georgia 6,478,216 8,186,453
7 Florida 12,937,926 15,982,378
8 Texas 16,986,510 20,851,820
9 North Carolina 6,628,637 8,049,313
10 Washington 4,866,692 5,894,121

The Bottom 10:
41 Massachusetts 6,016,425 6,349,097
42 New York 17,990,455 18,976,457
43 Iowa 2,776,755 2,926,324
44 Ohio 10,847,115 11,353,140
45 Rhode Island 1,003,464 1,048,319
46 Maine 1,227,928 1,274,923
47 Connecticut 3,287,116 3,405,565
48 Pennsylvania 11,881,643 12,281,054
49 West Virginia 1,793,477 1,808,344
50 North Dakota 638,800 642,200

Notice a pattern? :evil:

Yes, I sure do.

While the Mexican-born population in the United States has grown substantially since 1990, the undocumented population from Mexico has increased even faster. The 1990 Census included 4.3 million immigrants from Mexico. By 2000, this population more than doubled to 9.2 million with a further increase to 9.8 million in 2002. The undocumented population from Mexico increased from two million in 1990 to 4.8 million in 2000 and to 5.3 million in 2002. Thus, between 1990 and 2002, the undocumented population from Mexico increased by about 250,000 to 300,000 per year on average; evidence from successive CPSs suggests that the annual inflows increased dramatically around 1997 or 1998.

The undocumented from Mexico have become an increasingly larger part of the total Mexican immigrant population. Between 1990 and 2002, the legal population from Mexico roughly doubled while the undocumented population grew by 165 percent. As a consequence, the proportion of undocumented among Mexican immigrants living in the country increased from approximately 47 percent to about 54 percent by 2002. This increase has occurred because a very large proportion of all new immigrants from Mexico are undocumented. Of all Mexicans who came to the United States since 1990, more than four of every five remained undocumented by 2002. Among those who entered in the 1980s, only about one in five is still undocumented.

In fact, a very large majority of the Mexican immigrants arriving in the 1980s were undocumented when they came, but most had acquired legal status by 2002. This pattern of new flows was largely undocumented, while the fact that those Mexicans who had resided in the US for a decade or more had managed to become legal was found in analyses of the 1980 Census, the 1990 Census, and CPS data from the 1990s.

New Mexican Immigration Growth Centers

New destinations for Mexican immigrants emerged in the late 1990s. The four states with the largest Mexican immigrant populations?the traditional settlement areas of California, Texas, Illinois, and Arizona?continued to attract migrants, but a much larger share went to new destinations. The share of Mexican immigrants residing in these four states dropped from 89 percent in 1990 to 72 percent in 2002, while the number residing in these states increased by 87 percent from 3.8 million to 7.1 million.

At the same time, Mexican immigrants moved out of these states, especially California, both to[b nearby states[/b] and totally new settlement areas in other parts of the country. The share of new immigrants from Mexico going to these non-traditional settlement areas greatly increased. Mexican immigrants moved to the southeastern part of the country, including Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee, for jobs in poultry processing, light manufacturing, and construction. In the upper Midwest, including Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin, Mexican immigrants took jobs in pork, beef, and turkey processing. Two additional southern states, Delaware and Maryland, and the western states of Colorado and Utah, also experienced rapid growth in their Mexican-born populations between 1990 and 2000. All together, the Mexican immigrant population outside the four largest states increased more than five-fold between 1990 and 2002 from about 500,000 to 2.7 million. (see state data map)

The new destination states for Mexicans have very large proportions of recent arrivals from abroad. While detailed data on the distribution of the undocumented population from Mexico are not available, it appears that a very large share of the immigrants in these states are undocumented. In most of the new destinations between one-third and one-half of the total foreign born are undocumented. Between 40 to 49 percent of all immigrants in Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Nebraska, North Carolina, and Utah are undocumented, while between 30 and 39 percent in Alabama, Iowa, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Wisconsin are undocumented. In contrast, only about one-quarter of the immigrants in California and Illinois are undocumented.

Future Trends

In summary, migration from Mexico to the United States has accelerated rapidly to the point where about nine percent of the population born in Mexico is now living in the United States. While a large majority (around 80 percent) of all newly arrived immigrants from Mexico are undocumented, only about half of all Mexicans in the United States are undocumented. And while average annual flows from Mexico since 2000 are slightly smaller than in the late 1990s, they remain large and above the levels of the early 1990s. More importantly, immigration from Mexico shows no sign of dropping significantly in the near future, even in the face of post-September 11 security measures and a weakening economy. This continued migration is facilitated by the geographic dispersal of the flow within the United States as more economic niches become available to the newly arriving migrants.

I have a hard time believing we get as many immigrants from Canada Southern state growth is more rapid than northern state growth, but that doesn't mean people are leaving the northern states to live in the southern states.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Nitemare, thats one of the worst, most ludicrious posts Ive ever seen on this board. I could go off on just about every point you made, but I'm at work and I don't have time. Just know that you're an idiot, I'm sure someone here will make the specific points that I would have.

So in other words you have nothing to say?

 

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SampSon

It's people like the creator of that website that made me wish the War of Northern Aggression had not occured. The North is a barren cold wasteland where the people are rude and the food tastes like crap...

From personal experience I find the food up north to be much better than down south.

When I was down in south carolina I wanted a steak, so I asked around where the best steak was. Almost everybody told me the best steak was at the outback steakhouse.
The best steak available was at a chain restaurant? I was disappointed.

The best steaks are in Texas. If you can't make it to Texas, Ruths Chris. You have Philly Cheese steaks up there and Coney Island dogs, but that's pretty much all I can recall...

Our produce is superior by far. I was hard up to find fresh, non-wilted produce down in SC. It was disappointing.
There is much more to eat than cheese steaks(which are terribly overrated) and hot dogs. Ever have real greek or lebanese food?

In response to your edit in the post about top 10 fastest growing states by population, people are moving away from the cold and high taxes.
Most of thoes states arn't southern states. Only georgia, flordia, north carolina and texas would be considered "south". Of thoes, florida and texas are hardly the classic "south".

As soon as the southern govts. catch on(could take many, many decades) and start to raise taxes and increase municipal funds via the tax base, the alure of the south will dwindle.

Personally I like them both. Though I never see a northerner distinguish themselves as "from the north" or any other label like "southerners" do. It's amusing.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

I have a hard time believing we get as many immigrants from Canada Southern state growth is more rapid than northern state growth, but that doesn't mean people are leaving the northern states to live in the southern states.

Interesting point...Yes there are alot of Mexicans in NC. I doubt if the rapid growth is entirely dependent on the influx of undocumented workers though. I would be interesting to know if there was some documentation that showed where everybody was coming from. I just know there are alot of Northern folks who are coming down here from Florida to the Carolinas for warmer weather and lower costs of living. Hell, one of our surrounding cities, Cary, it is kind of nearly impossible to find a native NCer in there.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SampSon

It's people like the creator of that website that made me wish the War of Northern Aggression had not occured. The North is a barren cold wasteland where the people are rude and the food tastes like crap...

From personal experience I find the food up north to be much better than down south.

When I was down in south carolina I wanted a steak, so I asked around where the best steak was. Almost everybody told me the best steak was at the outback steakhouse.
The best steak available was at a chain restaurant? I was disappointed.

The best steaks are in Texas. If you can't make it to Texas, Ruths Chris. You have Philly Cheese steaks up there and Coney Island dogs, but that's pretty much all I can recall...

Our produce is superior by far. I was hard up to find fresh, non-wilted produce down in SC. It was disappointing.
There is much more to eat than cheese steaks(which are terribly overrated) and hot dogs. Ever have real greek or lebanese food?

In response to your edit in the post about top 10 fastest growing states by population, people are moving away from the cold and high taxes.
Most of thoes states arn't southern states. Only georgia, flordia, north carolina and texas would be considered "south". Of thoes, florida and texas are hardly the classic "south".

As soon as the southern govts. catch on(could take many, many decades) and start to raise taxes and increase municipal funds via the tax base, the alure of the south will dwindle.

Personally I like them both. Though I never see a northerner distinguish themselves as "from the north" or any other label like "southerners" do. It's amusing.

SC is still kind of backward especially in the rural parts. The best produce can be obtained from Farmers markets down here which spring up close to major cities. Nothing like locally grown food that does not have to be refridgerated and hauled in trucks to get to your destination. In my humble opinion Texas and Cali do have the best food.

Can't say that I have ever tried Greek or Lebanese food. Have you had authentic TexMex, BBQ, Mexican or Cuban(Florida :heart or properly prepared catfish and hush puppies?

 

[jkersenbr]

Originally posted by: loki8481

speaking as a North easterner, though, I don't really hate the South. it's the plains states that kill me. really every state west of PA that doesn't either border Canada or border an ocean.

Fool. Try to find affordable groceries without them.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Deeko
Nitemare, thats one of the worst, most ludicrious posts Ive ever seen on this board. I could go off on just about every point you made, but I'm at work and I don't have time. Just know that you're an idiot, I'm sure someone here will make the specific points that I would have.

So in other words you have nothing to say?

*sigh*

ok, but if I get yelled at for not working its your ass.

First and foremost. Like was just posted...ya know why the south has population growth? Mexican immigration. Its got nothing to do with Northerners realizing how superior the south is. Secondly, what the hell does the south has for food that the north doesn't? If you haven't been to Philly you don't even know what you're missing.

Moving on, first you said "wow no presidents come from the north!" then you change to "oh wait...lots of them do..but look which ones they are hahah!" dude, get a grip, and take a real stance. Plus, who are you fighting for? Republicans or the south? Cuz your little president comparison really goes both ways. Also, don't try to knock FDR, and yes, JFK must have been the worst president ever thats why he got shot :roll: You are ridiculous.

Ha, the civil war, or "war of northern aggression" as you lunatics call it, was fought to stop northern tyranny. Tyranny like you holding black people as slaves? Oh, but that DEFINITELY would have ended soon enough. What's wrong with another 50 or 100 years of slave ownership? It would have eventually ended and you would have been free of Northern tyranny!

You are a complete fool, and you need to get a bit firmer a grasp on reality.

 

SC is still kind of backward especially in the rural parts. The best produce can be obtained from Farmers markets down here which spring up close to major cities. Nothing like locally grown food that does not have to be refridgerated and hauled in trucks to get to your destination. In my humble opinion Texas and Cali do have the best food.

Cali, sure, but texas hell no. SC is backwards and represents the epitome of the south.

Can't say that I have ever tried Greek or Lebanese food. Have you had authentic TexMex, BBQ, Mexican or Cuban(Florida :heart or properly prepared catfish and hush puppies?

Seeing as how I've lived in SC and flordia, yes I've had them.

 

[imported_Pablo]

People who still whine about the Civil War are few and far between in the south, even though they are often very vocal.

I fail to believe that Mexicans are the reason that the population in the south is growing faster than other areas. I'm sure there is some contributing factor, but honestly, more and more companies are moving out of the Northeast or beginning operations in the south to avoid the hassles of union labor. This creates jobs in the southern states which *gasp* creates motivation for people to move.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Ha, the civil war, or "war of northern aggression" as you lunatics call it, was fought to stop northern tyranny. Tyranny like you holding black people as slaves? Oh, but that DEFINITELY would have ended soon enough. What's wrong with another 50 or 100 years of slave ownership? It would have eventually ended and you would have been free of Northern tyranny!

You are a complete fool, and you need to get a bit firmer a grasp on reality.

Don't group all southerners with numbnuts, here.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: SampSon

SC is still kind of backward especially in the rural parts. The best produce can be obtained from Farmers markets down here which spring up close to major cities. Nothing like locally grown food that does not have to be refridgerated and hauled in trucks to get to your destination. In my humble opinion Texas and Cali do have the best food.

Cali, sure, but texas hell no. SC is backwards and represents the epitome of the south.

Can't say that I have ever tried Greek or Lebanese food. Have you had authentic TexMex, BBQ, Mexican or Cuban(Florida :heart or properly prepared catfish and hush puppies?

Seeing as how I've lived in SC and flordia, yes I've had them.

SC is backwards? Depends on where you live in the state. Like EVERY OTHER STATE. Closeminded.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Deeko

Ha, the civil war, or "war of northern aggression" as you lunatics call it, was fought to stop northern tyranny. Tyranny like you holding black people as slaves? Oh, but that DEFINITELY would have ended soon enough. What's wrong with another 50 or 100 years of slave ownership? It would have eventually ended and you would have been free of Northern tyranny!

You are a complete fool, and you need to get a bit firmer a grasp on reality.

Don't group all southerners with numbnuts, here.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Pablo
People who still whine about the Civil War are few and far between in the south, even though they are often very vocal.

I fail to believe that Mexicans are the reason that the population in the south is growing faster than other areas. I'm sure there is some contributing factor, but honestly, more and more companies are moving out of the Northeast or beginning operations in the south to avoid the hassles of union labor. This creates jobs in the southern states which *gasp* creates motivation for people to move.

No, not the sole factor, but a major contributing factor.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
I'll never listen to someone who uses that much vulgarity...it's a sign of complete ignorance or a maladjusted brain chemistry.

or a sign of complete hilarity.

Excessive vulgarity is funny? That's new to me.

You're such a tool, get overself. You're not impressing anyone.

Anyhow . . .

I live in Texas and I laughed at it, pretty funny I though.