Eminems new song dissin everlast.... wow

[Bling Bling]

i'm gonna see The Roots today cuz they're coming to campus to perform. neat, eh?

 

[KidViciou$]

lucky bastard

 

[geno]

<< if you want somebody to understand WTF you're talking about SPEAK ENGLISH >>


If you DON'T want somebody to understand what you're saying - DON'T speak Eglish =)

And about Hip Hop being repetitive - what are you referring to exactly when you say this? I ask purely out of curiousity...

 

[Ornery]

Guess I should attribute that to the right author:

&quot;...there is noting NEW. Just the same old, same old, repeated over and over again ad nauseam on the classic rock radio stations.&quot; - apoppin Oct/11/2000 11:42 PM

So he's the one I should ask which is more &quot;same old&quot;, rock or rap?

I only listen to classic rock. My wife and kids listen to newer &quot;rock&quot; or whatever garbage, and the like would be classified as. So I hear newer stuff and like some of it. No matter, rap just shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe as music...

 

[KidViciou$]

im waiting for your rebuttal ornery. you corrected yourself on one topic. there are still a few more that we are debating

 

[Ornery]

refresh my memory

 

[apoppin]

Maybe I should clarify it further for you, Ornery. &quot;Classic&quot; rock is DEAD. It is boring. There is nothing new and exciting in your genre. There are just the old masters (Floyd, Zep, etc.) and they are no longer recording.

The band Garbage would be classified as &quot;alternative&quot;. Alternative has become pop's mainstream. It is also getting a bit tired (except where it is being fused with hip hop).

I hated classic rock (mostly) and was very much into punk music when it came out - also reggae. Then I liked early alternative and even some alternative today. Hip hop on the other hand immediately caught my attention. It is powerful music. The Roots remain pretty much my favorite (but I like it all - even Eminem).

I doubt that your parents (or grandparents), Ornery, believe &quot;classic rock&quot; should be mentioned in the same breath as music. And it is unlikely your grandchildren will even listen to it at all.

 

[pen^2]

First off, why are you people even mentioning hiphop alongside eminem? that shows nothing but your ignorance towards the subject. eminem is pop, just another MTV poser; dont even try to mention his name with some REAL hip hop artists.

RagingGuardian: to me it seems there are some hypoctites on this board. they say there shouldnt be any racism on an electronical BBS on one hand and on the other hand they will try to bash and ridicule anything that is 'black culture'...

Ornery:
its PEOPLE who define the language, no the LANGUAGE that is forced onto people. there have always been various dialects and slangs in any society in the human history. part of hip-hop culture is haivng pride and distinction in your own identity - how hard is it for you to percieve when african american youth try to speak in the form of language they have been speaking 24/7/365 since their birth? with that being said, 'mall thugs' dwell mentioned is a different story.

Shudder:
'caveman'?
you dumb fsck... do you even know what it means? way to make fun of yourself. your rampant expression of self-dicrinimation is just astounding.

 

[apoppin]

So, BrotherMan, do you believe you have to be black to rap? I think that is a huge fallacy. That will be proven just as wrong as having to be black to play jazz.

I am not by any stretch of the imagination comparing my favorite - The Roots - to Eminem. I did say I even like him. &quot;Pop&quot; - no, I don't think that really applies to him either.

 

[geno]

<< rap just shouldn't be mentioned in the same breathe as music >>


HAhaha - ok. I'm not going to even dignify that with a response. I'd just like to point it out so I can laugh at it.

 

[geno]

<< So, BrotherMan, do you believe you have to be black to rap? >>


I'm not trying to pick any fights, but I don't believe he said that. What he did say is that Eminem shouldn't be classified with real Hip Hop. And I agree, I see Em as part of the &quot;Hip Pop&quot; catagory now after his last CD.

 

[Ornery]

&quot;Alternative&quot; existed back when I was in school too. What do you think Floyd was? &quot;Rock&quot; is pretty damn broad. I hated, and still don't care for &quot;Rock n Roll&quot;. If you could dance to it, I didn't like it.

But even Rock n Roll required being able to write lyrics, compose music, sing and/or play an instrument. What a concept!

Anyway, it's a subjective argument. The only real indicator of the quality is the longevity. What I listened to in Jr. High is still played today on the air and being released again on CD. Hell, I can even buy &quot;The Wall&quot; on DVD. That'll be the day when a movie is wrapped around rap, that even approaches that quality. Whether my kids or grandkids listen or not doesn't concern me. It will still be around for me!

 

[apoppin]

I'm laughing too, genocide.

&quot;Old farts&quot; were supposed to stay out of this thread. But we gotta defend our music.



(Hey, wait - I'm an old fart who likes rap and hiphop.)

 

[pen^2]

appopin: checkin back my post, i notice it did suggest that kinda notion. but in fact that wasnt what i implied and i dont belive in that. it is true black athletes are predominantly better at basketball but that doesnt necessarily mean larry bird or jason williams are slouches either.

 

[pen^2]

sorry if my post claming eminem being pop offended you. i must correct my statement by saying he IS hip hop, altho i am not huge fan of Mr. Mathers.

 

[apoppin]

Just asked for clarification, BrotherMan. Thank-you. I just hoped you were not including me in your broad statement including Eminenem with hip-hop REAL artists.

Eminem can rap. I believe he does have talent (although he can be very annoying). I believe he is branching out of hiphop (alternative?). I don't think we should be narrow in our views, either. Hiphop is evolving. I welcome the changes.

As for your comments, Ornery, you have shown yourself to be extremely narrow minded in your music views. Don't criticize what you don't listen to or understand. Many hip hop artists have REAL talent - play real instruments and some have awesome voices.

As far as your dinosaur rock standing the test of time - it hasn't. It has barely lasted a generation. Nothing in comparison to Beethoven, Mozart or even Gershwin. My parents still call it anoying noise.

 

[geno]

<< But even Rock n Roll required being able to write lyrics, compose music, sing and/or play an instrument. What a concept! >>


Ok, Hip Hop requires the collaboration of 2 or more people, and the co-operation and vibe have to be so tight that the lyrics and the beat come together. Between the Producer and the actual Artist - there's multitudes of skills to be shown. Intuitive lyrics have to be written (not always the case ie. Cash Money). You mentioned &quot;composing music&quot;, well, that's what a Producer does, which includes being able to play an instrument (the keyboard specifically). And as far as &quot;singing&quot; in rock goes, it's nonexistant. And guy over 30 can mumble into a microphone and sound as good as any Rock band.

 

[Ornery]

Well, I think it was Shudder that mentioned you could $hit on a canvas and call it &quot;art&quot;. Same with rap, call it &quot;music&quot; if you want

BrotherMan, I'm not singling out any group. I still harp to my wife about the Southern accent she shifts into. She says it's just fun. It bugs me. Not that particular accent, just the intentional screwing around with the language. It's like pig latin or something. Why is it that newscasters across the country generally have zero accent or colloquialisms? Maybe it's because they want to be understood? Naaaahh...

 

[dennilfloss]

&quot; Why is it that newscasters across the country generally have zero accent or colloquialisms? Maybe it's because they want to be understood? Naaaahh...&quot;

It's because most of the better ones on American TV are in fact Canadians!

Come On Over (Shania Twain)

 

[Ornery]

What I listen to, as far as rap, is dipshits playing bumpin BS that sometimes consists of nothing more than a bass line. Very discriminating audience there!

And I don't have anything against Beethoven, Mozart or even Gershwin. That's music!

You think rap will even last as long as rock? KidViciou$ couldn't even remember the title of a song that was supposedly worth covering. Says a lot...

Edit: Hey Denis do you have different dialects across Canada? I mean other than the Frogs?

 

[apoppin]

So what's your point, Ornery? Other than ridiculing an art form you don't listen to and don't understand?

You have shown yourself to be extremely narrowminded - even to accent. Just because you can't figure hip hop out doesn't mean millions of people all around the haven't done so.

What talent do your &quot;newscasters&quot; have? A pretty face and a nice voice. Dime a dozen. What again is your point?


EDIT: True, Beethoven, Mozart and (even) Gershwin are music. So are rap and hip hop. (Even classic rock - Bleech). Music is continually EVOLVING. Enjoy the journey. Why don't you really listen? Even your closed mind might be opened just a bit.

 

[Ornery]

What again is your point?

1. I hear it, it sucks!
2. If longevity is an indicator of quality, the &quot;artists&quot; are short lived.
3. If you want to be understood, you speak &quot;proper&quot; English.

Edit: Evolved? See below...

 

[apoppin]

1. You hear it. You don't listen.
2. Longevity is not necessarily an indicator of quality. Anyway, the jury is still out on this as hip hop is new.
3. What is &quot;proper&quot; English? It is spoken very differently in Ireland, Australia, England and the United States and Canada. Language like music evolves.

I think it is the height of irresponsibility to condemn an artform based on personal bias and misinformation. You know less than even a little about hip hop and your ignorance is glaring (On this subject, anyway - usually your posts are quite coherent and thoughtful. I guess this is your blindspot.)

 

[Ornery]

Edit: Evolved? Usually evolving would mean improving. Pianos have been the same for hundreds of years. Guitars I'm not sure, but Les Paul made the first electric and it hasn't evolved too much since. Artists have mastered those instruments and improved on the artists that came before them.

Clapton struggled to play blues. He mastered that as well as his own style. Hendrix, Stevie Ray and the rest have not really been equaled as of late. To try and point out their quality of musicianship &quot;evolving&quot; into rap is pretty much a slap in the face.

 

[apoppin]

Sorry to be the one to slap you, Ornery. But it is true. Hip hop is a new artform. It is music. It is still evolving. You know NOTHING about it. You don't even listen to it.

Trying to explain something to someone who wishes to keep his mind shut and ears closed is impossible and a waste of time. I have always appreciated your other posts for their insight, depth and thoughtfulness. I will not hold this against you. As I said before, it is your blindspot. Also your loss.

Peace and aloha.