no, i dont listen to RAP, i listen to HIPHOP, say it wiht me, HIP-HOP. when i refer to rap, i refer to the stuff that is played on the radio as rap, and yes i do listen to it. i listen to it, say... when going to the club, goin out with friends, just trying to get pumped up while working, i dont listen to their lyrical content, just their flow ( with the exception of DMX) and beats. i listen to HIP-HOP when i want to be mentally stimulated, or i feel like being inspired. DMX *MIGHT* have been a "real" artist at one point in time, but the fact that he conformed to the FAD, and i repeat, FAD of talking about material posessions, ie "ice, benz, platinum, etc..." makes him just a regular rapper, and not a true artist IMO. maybe DMX doesnt talk about money as much as the others, but he raps with incoherent sentences, which does not take too much talent to do. now as far as jay z goes, what he raps about is a fad. ill give him props in saying that he is creative.
how can you compare DMX to the likes of The Guru? you cant, so dont even try, and also, please dont use the term "hating", it is highly overused. be original
edit, forgot to ask you, 3 years ago, if i asked you who is DMX, what would you tell me? that is all, as for jay z, your right, he has been on the scene for a while.
how can you compare DMX to the likes of The Guru? you cant, so dont even try, and also, please dont use the term "hating", it is highly overused. be original
edit, forgot to ask you, 3 years ago, if i asked you who is DMX, what would you tell me? that is all, as for jay z, your right, he has been on the scene for a while.
<< you would realize that how we say s_hit (ish) is no different then how you people say f_uck (fvck). >>
True! lol. I use the same vernacular on another bbs, where I am one of the younger posters, unlike here
(@ 29 I feel like an old b*tch!) and nobody gives me ish for it! This lack of understanding is ridiculous. Never did one of these guys (that I know of) say anything like, Led Zepplin Sux @ss and should burn in hell!. haha. Some of you would prolly go ballistic.
As the old-timers would say, "keep the faith" boys.
Yo you talkin to hardcore rap cat right here. Don't tell me which words to use 'cause I use those words on the streets everyday. I been following my man X since his underground days and now he's here everybody's mad. Guru and others like him are good rappers but they just haven't seen the commercial sucess of the likes of DMX and Jay-Z. I understand that Jay-Z is heading into the fad with his new found arrogance but don't count DMX. Least you could do is give these dawgs props for bringing our music more mainstream than it ever was.
apoppin
Lifer
Johnlee, maybe I shouldn't admit my (advanced) age - but I DO remember people saying "Zepplin sucks @ss" and their music wouldn't stand the test of time.
People are pretty close-minded generally. They tend to only like the music from a certain point in their youth.
I have noticed myself as an exception. I like the current music best - hip hip (so far) - and generally dislike the music of my youth (as being too tired and old).
People are pretty close-minded generally. They tend to only like the music from a certain point in their youth.
I have noticed myself as an exception. I like the current music best - hip hip (so far) - and generally dislike the music of my youth (as being too tired and old).
you see, you and people like you are all just sheep. one person says something, so you follow them claiming you arent following them. i think its good that you followed DMX since his underground days, but i think that should be more reason for you to realize how much his style has changed. he is NOT the same, and i am NOT mad that he is here. i am mad when people consider him a great rapper. The Guru, and other rappers like him such as Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Dead Prez, Common ( sorry if i miss any other greats) may not WANT commercial success. in order to do that right now, for the most part, you need to rap about money. these guys know the TRUE meaning of hiphop, they consider it an art form as i do, more than a job. they dont care about making money, you think they care? they do it for the LOVE, and to spread the message.
as far as mainstream goes, commercialization is not always a good thing, but i will give them props for creating tunes, as i said, that get me pumped due to their flow (once again, except for DMX) and beats (inclusive of DMX).
and really, i think you and everyone else should moderate the usage of the term "hating". wether it be on the streets or on the internet.
as far as mainstream goes, commercialization is not always a good thing, but i will give them props for creating tunes, as i said, that get me pumped due to their flow (once again, except for DMX) and beats (inclusive of DMX).
and really, i think you and everyone else should moderate the usage of the term "hating". wether it be on the streets or on the internet.
For real you hatin alot. How dare you call me a sheep? If you checked out my collection you'd see it's all Guru, Cabibus, Nas, Common, The Roots, Mos Def and the likes. My true passion is rap music that perfectly reflects the life I live being a young black man. You tryin to tell me that DMX don't deserve to be in this elite group of rappers? If not son them you don't deserve to be listening to rap 'cause you aint heard nothin yet. I do admit his last album was straying from the DMX lyricts that I heard on the underground scenes 10 years ago but that still doesn't mean that he didn't leave a mark as his first album would remain a classic and my favorite rap album to date.
Anyways I'm tired of arguing that X is a real dog. Different strokes for different folks. I'm gonna stay real and get off the net and go chill with my Bronx sheep.
Anyways I'm tired of arguing that X is a real dog. Different strokes for different folks. I'm gonna stay real and get off the net and go chill with my Bronx sheep.
apoppin
Lifer
all i gotta say, iz DMX, Sisqo, Dr dre, tupac, Nelly, Bone Thugs and Harmony, Lil Kim are all DA BOMB (edited just for KidViciou$)!!!!
now i dont know bout EMINEM, i HAte him, he'a a vanilla ice wanna be to me. HE's a skiny mofo that thinks he's all that cuz he got in a song with dre (forgot about dre) that's it. Also i hate all the teenagers taht are eminem wanna be's with their hair dyed like him, it's GAY!!
now i dont know bout EMINEM, i HAte him, he'a a vanilla ice wanna be to me. HE's a skiny mofo that thinks he's all that cuz he got in a song with dre (forgot about dre) that's it. Also i hate all the teenagers taht are eminem wanna be's with their hair dyed like him, it's GAY!!
joker, i dont even want to get started on what you said. if you said sick in either a good way, or bad way, i had a problem with your statement.
raging, perhaps i misjudged you. perhaps calling oyu sheep was a low blow. the point im trying to make is this, your right. i have not listened to all of x's old $hit. i DO know that he posesses talent, but lately, he has not been performing up to par with the afformentioned artists. therefore no, he definitely does NOT belong wiht the elite. now since you are livin in the bronx, you are more accessible to new york underground than i. i do believe that X is from new york, correct me if im mistaken.
but there is a group out here in baltimore called 50,000 heads. i worked with them a little bit, and have seen them perform. i must say, they posess MUCH talent. there is this one dude who blows my mind, his name is Rah Lugga, or Ray Lugga, prononunced LOO-GA
there was also this one shorty who looks like a straightup thug, and she is small and quiet. but when she gets on the mic, all hell breaks loose, she is OFF THE FVCKING HOOK!
raging, perhaps i misjudged you. perhaps calling oyu sheep was a low blow. the point im trying to make is this, your right. i have not listened to all of x's old $hit. i DO know that he posesses talent, but lately, he has not been performing up to par with the afformentioned artists. therefore no, he definitely does NOT belong wiht the elite. now since you are livin in the bronx, you are more accessible to new york underground than i. i do believe that X is from new york, correct me if im mistaken.
but there is a group out here in baltimore called 50,000 heads. i worked with them a little bit, and have seen them perform. i must say, they posess MUCH talent. there is this one dude who blows my mind, his name is Rah Lugga, or Ray Lugga, prononunced LOO-GA
there was also this one shorty who looks like a straightup thug, and she is small and quiet. but when she gets on the mic, all hell breaks loose, she is OFF THE FVCKING HOOK!
Hey KidViciou$, I never said that mumbo jumbo was Ebonic. The point is, if you want somebody to understand WTF you're talking about SPEAK ENGLISH! Just one more reason why I'm pushing for English as the official language. There's no reason why our tax dollars should fund teaching of foreign language along side English. Where the hell would you draw the line? If we teach in Spanish in one part of town,are we obligated to teach in Korean at the other end?
That goes for Ebonics too. SPEAK ENGLISH or there will be no meeting of the minds. We'll forever be estranged. I have a hard enough time understanding what motivates people when they speak decent English, let alone speaking in Redneck, Jive, Hacker and Ebonic! Damn it, if I moved to another country, I'd learn their language immediately. We have people that are born in this country that refuse to speak English! Ugh... :|
And you mean to tell me you've never heard of Stairway to Heaven? Nor Money? How about Layla or Purple Haze? Never heard of them, eh? Want to bet those tunes will still ring out 10+ years from now? Hell, it's already been around 30! Talk about before your friggen time! You sure you don't remember them?
Last point is about this Rock being repetitive thing. If, on a scale of 10, 10 being very very repetitive, I give rock a 5. What number would you score rap? Hmmmm?
That goes for Ebonics too. SPEAK ENGLISH or there will be no meeting of the minds. We'll forever be estranged. I have a hard enough time understanding what motivates people when they speak decent English, let alone speaking in Redneck, Jive, Hacker and Ebonic! Damn it, if I moved to another country, I'd learn their language immediately. We have people that are born in this country that refuse to speak English! Ugh... :|
And you mean to tell me you've never heard of Stairway to Heaven? Nor Money? How about Layla or Purple Haze? Never heard of them, eh? Want to bet those tunes will still ring out 10+ years from now? Hell, it's already been around 30! Talk about before your friggen time! You sure you don't remember them?
Last point is about this Rock being repetitive thing. If, on a scale of 10, 10 being very very repetitive, I give rock a 5. What number would you score rap? Hmmmm?
I can't understand why white suburban kids try to talk like inner city black kids. Even if they subscribe to the hip-hop culture, I still don't think it gives them the right. Wouldn't people think that I was a nut if I, a non-hispanic, started speaking in a Mexican accent all of the sudden because I grew a liking for Mexican music?
I listened to hip-hop from the early 80's and never ran around saying "n'gga this" and "n'gaa that." If I did I would expect my head to be beaten in. Maybe I am too old school (old school is a only hip-hop term for those looking for an opening to bash me) for my own good, but I think it's just plain wrong.
I see some of this white, suburban, mall-gangstas talking like they are hard-core kids from the Bronx or Brooklyn. It's so funny because they all go to private schools in the suburbs.
Oh well, what can I say. It's just so lame.
I listened to hip-hop from the early 80's and never ran around saying "n'gga this" and "n'gaa that." If I did I would expect my head to be beaten in. Maybe I am too old school (old school is a only hip-hop term for those looking for an opening to bash me) for my own good, but I think it's just plain wrong.
I see some of this white, suburban, mall-gangstas talking like they are hard-core kids from the Bronx or Brooklyn. It's so funny because they all go to private schools in the suburbs.
Oh well, what can I say. It's just so lame.
I'm not into Hip-Hop...just not my thing. I don't understand it is why and my only exposure to is has been from Radio and MTV. From what I've heard...it's all about sex, money, marketing, and slamming the people you don't like. I've never sat down and listened to the music so I can't say anything about it except for what's on the surface. I have noticed the lifestyle around it and it seems to be about clothes, jewelry, cars, etc... Who's got the latest and greatest and can show it off. That doesn't appeal to me and that's why I can't get into it.
No other genre bashes people more than hip-hop so it seems. If they're not going off on sex or money...it's I hate whoever and said person sucks. So, you make a song about the usual then throw in a few words about someone else to generate controversy which sells more (or downloads more, whatever).
As I said though...i won't flame the hip-hop lovers, I'm just stating why I can't get into it.
No other genre bashes people more than hip-hop so it seems. If they're not going off on sex or money...it's I hate whoever and said person sucks. So, you make a song about the usual then throw in a few words about someone else to generate controversy which sells more (or downloads more, whatever).
As I said though...i won't flame the hip-hop lovers, I'm just stating why I can't get into it.
apoppin
Lifer
Your mind is closed, Ornery. My parents made the same argument in favor of their music many years ago.
There is nothing I can say further about hip-hop that will interest you in a positive way. Too bad (you lose out). I guess we'll also be forever estranged regarding this art form (although I can relate to some of your favorite music).
There is nothing I can say further about hip-hop that will interest you in a positive way. Too bad (you lose out). I guess we'll also be forever estranged regarding this art form (although I can relate to some of your favorite music).
For the record Vi$, I said "Jungle jive caveman crap." I'll break it down for you.
Jungle - tribal - rhythmic
jive - what I say about crap I can't understand phonetically. The word has gone beyond a way to describe a black way of speaking
caveman - low intelligence/little thought involved in making it
crap - what it sounds like
I just hate the stuff. I'm sorry, but since I liken it to poetry with beats, there's nothing that makes anyone stand out from anyone else. Don't give me that crap about how intense the lyrics are, because I don't care if you rap in english, spanish, or russian, if it sounds like crap I don't want to hear it because I listen to music for its ear-pleasing greatness. No one has done anything fundamentally different in the years rap has been around. Slightly different rhythm conventions but that's about it. Musical GROUPS have a sound to them be it a very unique and talented singer, a great guitarist, or awesome and melodic keyboards. Something memorable and something that sets them apart for the rest. That is why you know who pink floyd is, who led zeppelin is, who van halen is, etc.
No one 10 years from now is going to give a damn about Eminem except for the funeral director who still hasn't received full payment for his service. No one will know what the hell is on the dial when DMX or Dre is played. It's a fad within itself. Sure the style might still last a bit, but yes the turnover is incredible and gets old fast. I go to a used cd store and there's almost a thousand worthless rap cds there in the black/red sticker section (2 for a buck or something similar). You want to be known, start a revolution, don't steal someone else's beat and recite your poetry.
Jungle - tribal - rhythmic
jive - what I say about crap I can't understand phonetically. The word has gone beyond a way to describe a black way of speaking
caveman - low intelligence/little thought involved in making it
crap - what it sounds like
I just hate the stuff. I'm sorry, but since I liken it to poetry with beats, there's nothing that makes anyone stand out from anyone else. Don't give me that crap about how intense the lyrics are, because I don't care if you rap in english, spanish, or russian, if it sounds like crap I don't want to hear it because I listen to music for its ear-pleasing greatness. No one has done anything fundamentally different in the years rap has been around. Slightly different rhythm conventions but that's about it. Musical GROUPS have a sound to them be it a very unique and talented singer, a great guitarist, or awesome and melodic keyboards. Something memorable and something that sets them apart for the rest. That is why you know who pink floyd is, who led zeppelin is, who van halen is, etc.
No one 10 years from now is going to give a damn about Eminem except for the funeral director who still hasn't received full payment for his service. No one will know what the hell is on the dial when DMX or Dre is played. It's a fad within itself. Sure the style might still last a bit, but yes the turnover is incredible and gets old fast. I go to a used cd store and there's almost a thousand worthless rap cds there in the black/red sticker section (2 for a buck or something similar). You want to be known, start a revolution, don't steal someone else's beat and recite your poetry.
"Oh, and the fact that I can run a 5:00 mile or a 1hr 25 minute 20k says that I'm not?"
So your fast......
Btw how do you find the time to run with your average 9+ posts a day since October last year?
So your fast......
Btw how do you find the time to run with your average 9+ posts a day since October last year?
<< And if you don't want to hear "Ivory Ebonics", speak friggen English or there's a hell of a lot more coming at ya! >>
i dont know ornery, seems like you acknowledged it as ebonics to me. the only song you mentioned that i have heard the title of is stairway to heavan because i saw the waynes world movie. yes im sure i have never heard of those songs before. now as far as rating rap by its repetivieness, i would give it a 2, because i HAVE heard some songs that are VERY original, no samples of other songs at all. now if we were talking about puffy, i would give him a 10. but we arent, because he isnt a rapper, he may claim to be, but he isnt.
and why the hell should english be the national language? everybody didnt speak english when the americas were first started. if you put up a valid argument such as because the majority of America as well as the world speaks it, then i would agree. we are supposed to learn multiple languages to help us in life. do you know how many opportunities if you can speak a foregn language fluently?
snoogans, dont believe what you hear about hiphop. listen to some real songs for yourself. i suggest Mos Def, Common, The Roots, Gangstarr. you will be pleasantly surprised.
shudder, your jungle jive... breakdown is a little contradicting of itself. how can it require little intelligence, but still be considered art? you said yourself that it is poetry, but use the term cavemen to describe it. i dont think you meant the entire statement as i had interpurtted it. perhaps you should be more careful with words in the future. just a suggestion
genocide, i will turn it on.
btw ornery, the very basis and livelyhood of hiphop is to create new music from old. so when i said i have heard some original songs, i meant that they didnt use sampled tunes, maybe sampled beats.
when you say they should stop "stealing" and be original, thats like me saying rock shouldnt use drums, or guitars. look at hiphops instruments. turntables. turntables as you know are meant for palying records. records contain music. turntables are used in hiphop to make old music sound new, due in part to "scratching", "sampling", and to "mixing". with the aid of what is called an "MC", lyrics are applied to the instrumental.
when you say they should stop "stealing" and be original, thats like me saying rock shouldnt use drums, or guitars. look at hiphops instruments. turntables. turntables as you know are meant for palying records. records contain music. turntables are used in hiphop to make old music sound new, due in part to "scratching", "sampling", and to "mixing". with the aid of what is called an "MC", lyrics are applied to the instrumental.
Sampling little melodies or beats is still stealing music. I'd like to see a rapper make original music then if they decide to sample it, hey, go for it.
I can take a dump on a sheet of paper and call it art. I wouldn't call it good art, though.
I can take a dump on a sheet of paper and call it art. I wouldn't call it good art, though.
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