Dumb waitress last night

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dguy6789

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Even if the study was entirely valid, it doesn't make the OP seem like any better of a person. Just because everyone else is doing something that is wrong doesn't make it any less wrong for you.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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First, the OP is an asshat for walking out on the bill.
Second, those who pointed out that the rest may have come out of the waitress' pocket are incorrect. It is illegal to hold a waiter/host/cashier liable for being short. They may be able to fire her but, they cannot force her to pay the bill.
Third, the OP is an asshat for walking out on the bill.
 

buck

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Originally posted by: Zaitsev
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: tasmanian
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: tasmanian
She charged him $155 not $180. They paid what they were charged with, no stealing there. It is not his responsibility to calculate the bill, nor is it his obligation to correct any mistakes. It rests solely upon the restaurant and the waitress.

So if you get the wrong change at the grocery store, you notice it, decide to keep it instead of return it, you see no problem?

Nope it is their mistake not mine. I paid that grocery bill, not my fault if they fail to count out the change. That is their job not mine.

The OP mentioned that he KNEW the total was $185, but that they were charged a different amount (which he also knew) instead. Therefore, he left while knowing that he wasn't paying the full amount.

And yes, if you KNOW that you were given the wrong amount of change, then you are wrong for not returning the extra amount.

Right or wrong aside for a minute, I'm actually surprised at how one-sided the responses have been. I did a bit of searching online on the subject thinking someone must've done a study on this before, and found this:

"When you get a restaurant bill that doesn?t include a drink that you?d ordered, do you tell the waitress to revise the bill upward? If you do, you?re in the minority. According to Todd Giatrelis at restaurant consultants The Gates Group, fewer than 5% of customers correct a bill where there?s an error in their favor. Instead, they pay the smaller bill and the restaurant takes the loss."

Once again you are trying to justify why you stole from a restaurant and did not leave a tip (*your choice to tip or not). Didn't you say that you were going to call them and correct this mistake?

I'm simply bringing up a relevant study for this discussion. I thought it might be of interest to some people. I tried wording my post as neutrally as possible to avoid it being interpreted as "justification." Maybe I didn't do that effectively. How would you suggest I word it?

As for what I'll do about the situation, would you like me to keep you updated? I can tell you it won't happen until after the transaction moves past pending on my statement.

You gave a new waitress two credit cards for a bill that was correct (thats what you said). She could have easily misinterpreted what you wanted... So that study doesn't have anything to do with your situation. You skipped out on your bill, end of story. Whether you actually do something about it or not, you and your idiot friends had no problem with this at dinner. You idiots are scum in my book, hopefully you have a change of heart and try to fix what you can.

The possibility that the waitress might have misinterpreted his instructions means the study doesn't apply? The study quite obviously directly applies to his situation.

She swiped his card for x amout. He signed and tipped based on x amount. It's not his fault or his problem that x was not correct.

edited. Was too confrontational.

The study he is talking about stated :
"The Gates Group, fewer than 5% of customers correct a bill where there?s an error in their favor."

Did the OP say that the bill was wrong or that she left a drink out? Please correct me if I mis-read something. The OP even noticed that he was not charged enough because he looked at the original bill.
What I read was that the bill was correct, but she did not charge his card enough money.
What I said about misinterpret was because the OP was asking her to split up the bill, leaving plenty of room for confusion on both sides.
 

MikeyLSU

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Originally posted by: buck

The study he is talking about stated :
"The Gates Group, fewer than 5% of customers correct a bill where there?s an error in their favor."

Did the OP say that the bill was wrong or that she left a drink out? Please correct me if I mis-read something. The OP even noticed that he was not charged enough because he looked at the original bill.
What I read was that the bill was correct, but she did not charge his card enough money.
What I said about misinterpret was because the OP was asking her to split up the bill, leaving plenty of room for confusion on both sides.

exactly, no different than getting a $50 bill and just leaving $20 cash. He skipped out on $30 of the bill, and to make it worse, he tipped on the smaller portion of the bill(that is really low).
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: crisscross
Don't think the OP is going to post in this thread again :)

I will post again :) The reason I posted this thread is to get the opinion of others, if everyone disagrees with me, I will call them to make it right. However, due to the level of service we received, it did not feel wrong at the time.
I'm sorry, you cant even comprehend how big a criminal asshole you are, but an electronic forum full of strangers will make you see the light?
 

tyler811

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Originally posted by: puffff
It was her third day on the job, so we cut her some slack when she didn't know the difference between new england steamers and regular steamed clams, and when she initially forgot to bring out the bread basket.

5 of us rang up a bill of $185. One of the girls had gotten a little short in cash, so we requested $30 to be charged on her debit card, and to put the rest on my credit card.

When we got our bills, $30 was charged to the debit card, but only $125 on mine. That's $30 short of what we owed. It took us a minute to realize why the numbers didn't add up, and when we did, we decided to just leave a tip based on $155 (instead of $185) and left. In all, we still paid less than the $185 we actually owed. Considering the service was pretty subpar, none of us felt bad about it.

What would you guys have done?

I went to Pet Supplies Plus last Sunday and bought suet 6 for $5 and one for $1.49. The total should have $6.49 plus tax. When the cashier ran me up it came to $5.85 and I questioned her as to why it was so cheap. She shrugged her shoulders and shook her head. When the transaction was done I looked at the reciept and found she only charged me for 5 not 6 of the suet on sale. I had her ring up the the suet and left.

You are basically a thief and cheated not only the restaurant of thier money and the waitress out hers but many times a restaurant will dock the pay of the server if the receipts do not match up at the end of the shift. Plus servers many times have to split the tip with busboy so you shafted him also......Way to go crook.

If you do not catch it then go on with life but you do catch it then you have a moral right to fix things. You are morally bankrupt and ethically challenged
 

da loser

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how does this bill look like? was there an initial bill of $185, that was then separated into two checks? and the totals were messed up? does it show the $185, then subtracts $30 twice, don't see how this works.

no sympathy for the waitress or restaurant here. I've made mistakes in groups paying for stuff that someone else paid for, etc. so if they make an error, it's their fault.

plus, they might screw up the charges trying to correct their mistake.

but your story makes no sense, how is one short on cash, yet everyone is paying with plastic?
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: da loser
but your story makes no sense, how is one short on cash, yet everyone is paying with plastic?

One person is planning on paying the bill with his CC, and everyone else is going to reimburse him with cash. One person doesn't have any cash though, so she pays her portion with her debit card.
 

magomago

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Meh would have paid the bill, and tipped probably nothing. If I tipped, maybe a penny or two if I had it on me. People fail to realize how important treatment of customers are. I may go back to that place because I can't say everyone else sucks on the account of a single crappy waitress, but I'd probably get up and leave if she came to serve my table.
 

M0RPH

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Waitress forgetting to add a drink to a bill is a lot different from this case. The waitress was trying to accommodate them by charging two different cards and made a simple mistake. That's a $30 error they failed to correct, not the price of a drink.

And as far as the claim that she said "I have no fucking clue" ... something tells me that the OP is remembering this they way he wants to in order to justify in his mind what he did. In other words, I don't buy it.
 

buck

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
Waitress forgetting to add a drink to a bill is a lot different from this case. The waitress was trying to accommodate them by charging two different cards and made a simple mistake. That's a $30 error they failed to correct, not the price of a drink.

And as far as the claim that she said "I have no fucking clue" ... something tells me that the OP is remembering this they way he wants to in order to justify in his mind what he did. In other words, I don't buy it.

OP is a thief, hard to trust a thief.
 

tyler811

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Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: M0RPH
Waitress forgetting to add a drink to a bill is a lot different from this case. The waitress was trying to accommodate them by charging two different cards and made a simple mistake. That's a $30 error they failed to correct, not the price of a drink.

And as far as the claim that she said "I have no fucking clue" ... something tells me that the OP is remembering this they way he wants to in order to justify in his mind what he did. In other words, I don't buy it.

OP is a fucking morally bankrupt and ethically challenged thief, hard to trust a thief.

Fixed
 

SAWYER

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That girl(friend of yours) seems super irresponsible. if you are short on money why go to an expensive place to eat or out to eat at all?
 

crystal

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Originally posted by: Sawyer
That girl(friend of yours) seems super irresponsible. if you are short on money why go to an expensive place to eat or out to eat at all?

uh.. most people paid with plastic. They were asking for separate checks, rather than the usually 6 (OP case), they asked for 2. (1/6 + 5/6).
 

mrCide

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This thread is funny.

I'm a good tipper, always 20-25%, sometimes 30%. I tip 15% on mediocre service. But if I get someone who's not trying, being inconsiderate, and taking a long time when the place may clearly not be busy, something along those lines.. sorry, but I just don't care. In a case like that if I'm billed incorrectly I'm not wasting my time correcting it. Most cases a new person is overly friendly and apologetic and that will get you a good tip.

Otherwise, I will correct it, but not in that case. It's extremely unrewarding to help someone who's got no interest in you. I'm not saying the OPs story is legit, that's just my stance.
 

Rebasxer

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I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.
 

Firebot

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Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.

Exactly, if a bank was to give me 1 million in error, it's the bank's fault and I'm free to run off with the money and go on a splurge. I have no responbility if they ask for the money back and send cops after me I'll plead it's not the duty of the consumer to make sure the bank account amount is correct.

I'm sure it works great in court.
 

buck

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Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.

Exactly, if a bank was to give me 1 million in error, it's the bank's fault and I'm free to run off with the money and go on a splurge. I have no responbility if they ask for the money back and send cops after me I'll plead it's not the duty of the consumer to make sure the bank account amount is correct.

I'm sure it works great in court.

Do you really think these idiots care? Maybe when they move out of moms basement and get a real job/family/etc they will understand.... Obviously they were brought up by shitty parents who taught them that honesty doesn't mean jack shit.

If the OP decided to not leave a tip for the waitress, thats his choice, but don't fucking steal from the restaurant.
 

tyler811

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Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.

Exactly, if a bank was to give me 1 million in error, it's the bank's fault and I'm free to run off with the money and go on a splurge. I have no responbility if they ask for the money back and send cops after me I'll plead it's not the duty of the consumer to make sure the bank account amount is correct.

I'm sure it works great in court.

Yay you do that and then get back to us after your 15 year stretch is up. ;)
 

tokie

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Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.

Agreed.

Both sides should always check the transaction to make sure that it was the agreed upon amount. If I notice that they charge me $15 instead of $20, I'm not saying anything unless the waitress was really good and I would be tipping well. Otherwise, screw them.
 

tyler811

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Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.

Exactly, if a bank was to give me 1 million in error, it's the bank's fault and I'm free to run off with the money and go on a splurge. I have no responbility if they ask for the money back and send cops after me I'll plead it's not the duty of the consumer to make sure the bank account amount is correct.

I'm sure it works great in court.

Do you really think these idiots care? Maybe when they move out of moms basement and get a real job/family/etc they will understand.... Obviously they were brought up by shitty parents who taught them that honesty doesn't mean jack shit.

If the OP decided to not leave a tip for the waitress, thats his choice, but don't fucking steal from the restaurant.

No Buck don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
 

tyler811

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Originally posted by: tyler811
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.

Exactly, if a bank was to give me 1 million in error, it's the bank's fault and I'm free to run off with the money and go on a splurge. I have no responbility if they ask for the money back and send cops after me I'll plead it's not the duty of the consumer to make sure the bank account amount is correct.

I'm sure it works great in court.

Do you really think these idiots care? Maybe when they move out of moms basement and get a real job/family/etc they will understand.... Obviously they were brought up by shitty parents who taught them that honesty doesn't mean jack shit.

If the OP decided to not leave a tip for the waitress, thats his choice, but don't fucking steal from the restaurant.

No Buck don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.


Wow how did that happen :confused:

EDIT AGAIN: Help me I am stuck in a quote and I can't get out.
 

buck

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Originally posted by: tyler811
Originally posted by: tyler811
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: Firebot
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
I love how morally righteous everyone is in this thread, its not the duty of the consumer to make sure their bill is correct, is the obligation of the store.

Exactly, if a bank was to give me 1 million in error, it's the bank's fault and I'm free to run off with the money and go on a splurge. I have no responbility if they ask for the money back and send cops after me I'll plead it's not the duty of the consumer to make sure the bank account amount is correct.

I'm sure it works great in court.

Do you really think these idiots care? Maybe when they move out of moms basement and get a real job/family/etc they will understand.... Obviously they were brought up by shitty parents who taught them that honesty doesn't mean jack shit.

If the OP decided to not leave a tip for the waitress, thats his choice, but don't fucking steal from the restaurant.
No Buck don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.


Wow how did that happen :confused:

EDIT AGAIN: Help me I am stuck in a quote and I can't get out.
I have never seen a time warp to the previous page....:Q