DOJ Settles In Landmark Gun Suit, Safeguarding the 2nd Amendment!

[NostaSeronx]

Graphene composites can generally make plastic composites better than current composites used in firearms. Not posting proof, so salt it up. Literally, if proof is wanted well there is a hellhole of infinite amount of patents and research papers.

PLA+rGO+something else has insane FOM compared to current stuff used in like Mk16, Mk14, etc.

 

[mindless1]

^ I'm doubtful that a 3D printer can do graphene composites, aren't they generally fortified with stranded material and need cast or molded, not additively produced?

 

[NostaSeronx]

^ I'm doubtful that a 3D printer can do graphene composites, aren't they generally fortified with stranded material and need cast or molded, not additively produced?

I don't want to go down that hellhole. So, I am going to say specialty 3D printers that are not inexpensive. Which might become inexpensive by 2030 as the Navy, Automotive, and Aerospace industry generally will go HVM. With the that particular graphene composite and others on "that" 3D printer.

 

[Jerem]

With the low cost of 80%'ers in the AR, 1911, and most recently Glock polymer platforms that can be completed with a drill press or router this wont turn in to anything any time soon. Some custom parts are already being made such as the .22 magazine I need for one of mine. I see a market for small companies to make hard to get replacement parts.

 

[HomerJS]

I have a question involving logic not emotions concerning this topic.

If using this technology for manufacturing guns were banned is this a violation of the 2A? How could it be when the ability didn't exist at the level of production 10 years ago and nobodies rights were violated back then.

 

[rommelrommel]

I don't think that's true, link? I've heard that every part can be printed now and the only parts of *transferable* guns are lowers, and these guns are illegal to transfer so they're unregulated and for personal consumption only.

You can’t print a AR15 barrel, or a bolt, or anything that requires much strength. The AR15 design doesn’t require much strength out of the lower so it’s not really that remarkable to print a lower.

I have seen some very crude springs made via 3D printer and crude barrels without rifling. It is still far for practical to print the controlled part that doesn’t require much strength and buy the rest.

I haven’t even seen a 3D printed barrel that could stand up to a rifle cartridge once. 3D printing compete machine guns is still a pipe dream.

 

[IronWing]

I see the release of these plans as an opening for Darwinism in action.

 

[whm1974]

You can’t print a AR15 barrel, or a bolt, or anything that requires much strength. The AR15 design doesn’t require much strength out of the lower so it’s not really that remarkable to print a lower.

I have seen some very crude springs made via 3D printer and crude barrels without rifling. It is still far for practical to print the controlled part that doesn’t require much strength and buy the rest.

I haven’t even seen a 3D printed barrel that could stand up to a rifle cartridge once. 3D printing compete machine guns is still a pipe dream.

From what I read, rifling a barrel is an art in itself.

 

[Jerem]

I have a question involving logic not emotions concerning this topic.

If using this technology for manufacturing guns were banned is this a violation of the 2A? How could it be when the ability didn't exist at the level of production 10 years ago and nobodies rights were violated back then.

10 years ago the government wasn't limiting you, technology was. The net effect might be the same, but the way you are limited isn't the same. That's the core difference IMO. The courts can decide if it is a violation of 2A but considering they have ordered people to unlock iphones and open encrypted hard drives (all newer technology as well) violating the right against self incrimination, how that court fight will go is anyone's guess

 

[whm1974]

I see the release of these plans as an opening for Darwinism in action.

I think you right. Some dumb ass criminal will print out something like a Tec-9 in 9mm NATO and convert it to full-auto and get removed from the gene pool.

 

[rommelrommel]

From what I read, rifling a barrel is an art in itself.

Doing it at a high level certainly is.

 

[SP33Demon]

You can’t print a AR15 barrel, or a bolt, or anything that requires much strength. The AR15 design doesn’t require much strength out of the lower so it’s not really that remarkable to print a lower.

I have seen some very crude springs made via 3D printer and crude barrels without rifling. It is still far for practical to print the controlled part that doesn’t require much strength and buy the rest.

I haven’t even seen a 3D printed barrel that could stand up to a rifle cartridge once. 3D printing compete machine guns is still a pipe dream.

Yeah, but the parts you need are easy to get, especially for handguns. Stock up, print the rest of the parts out. Also, as others have noted here and on Youtube comments that eventually materials and schematics will allow for high quality springs and barrels with rifling to be created. It's just a matter of time now.

Cody explains why handguns are a different animal from rifles here, mainly b/c of the Heller vs DC ruling (7:39). Of course the DoJ ruling after this video was made further protects even rifles now.
https://youtu.be/-_ayHfaHCXQ

He also says "Now, I can ship out machines that will help you crank out 1911's in your kitchen all day and nobody has anything to say about it... noone has to know about it... it's really cool, and it wasn't true [that you could do this] last year, in the way that it's true now."

Also from the video: "The Shuty requires additional parts made by 3rd parties, but those components can be freely ordered on the internet from unregulated vendors."

 

[SP33Demon]

Just downloaded the 9mm Shuty (author says it has fired 6,000 shots and still not broken). The non-printed parts list, and with random pricing I found online:
* AR15 buffer spring - $4
* AR15 FCG - $18
* Lonewolf glock 17 replacement barrel - $105
* Magpul glock 17 magazine - $18
* Secondary buffer spring - Hillman 11/16 x 072wg - $2.50
* #8 x 1.5 inch phillips head sheet metal screw - 4 - less than a buck
* #6 x 1.5 inch hex head sheet metal screw - 4- less than a buck
* #6 x 1 inch plillips head sheet metal screw - 2- less than a buck
* #10 x 1.25 inch phillips head metal screw - 1- less than a buck
* 3/4 inch x 8.5 inch steel dowel - $2
* 3/4 inch x 51.15mm steel dowel- $2
* Firing pin - 1/4 inch steel dowel- $2
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Very easy to get parts which run around $155, not bad for a ghost glock-like gun excluding the cost of the plastic and printer.

 

[rommelrommel]

Yeah sure but that’s a long way from printing assault rifles as you claimed.

1911 is hardly a good design to pump out via home CNC anyways, it requires very high tolerances or a lot of fitting to work reliably.

Making a certain shape out of a certain metal will become pretty accessible but heat treating or some kind of substitute will likely be out of reach of unskilled home manufacturers for many years yet.

Crude handmade blockback submachineguns don’t require a huge amount of skill to make anyways, especially when you can buy almost everything except a receiver.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Oh hyperbole, how i have missed
Thee, were not for sp33dy, where would thou be?

 

[zinfamous]

Cracked up about the AR15 being a great home defense weapon comment.

Gun manufacturers and related industries will hear this news and be very supportive about printing your own weapons.
They'll have contests and stuff. With raffles.
They won't release the krakens at all.

Recommending an AR-15 for home defense is like when Purdue pharmaceuticals recommends their oxycontin for anxiety.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Hooray for murder!

 

[whm1974]

Recommending an AR-15 for home defense is like when Purdue pharmaceuticals recommends their oxycontin for anxiety.

That is Depending on where your home is and who or what you defending against. If you live in an urban area and/or have to defend yourselves against gangs, then an AR-15 in 9mm is a good choice. Otherwise a handgun and maybe a shotgun for backup. In an rural area? Well you would have some more leeway.

 

[Chaotic42]

I have a question involving logic not emotions concerning this topic.

If using this technology for manufacturing guns were banned is this a violation of the 2A? How could it be when the ability didn't exist at the level of production 10 years ago and nobodies rights were violated back then.

Maybe it's just because I haven't had my coffee yet (weird day), but I think that would be like saying - If the technology for sharing political opinions over the internet//TV/radio is banned, is this a violation of the First Amendment? How could it be when the ability for instant communication didn't exist 50/100/150 years ago?

Not a perfect analogy, but I think it fits.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is Depending on where your home is and who or what you defending against. If you live in an urban area and/or have to defend yourselves against gangs, then an AR-15 in 9mm is a good choice. Otherwise a handgun and maybe a shotgun for backup. In an rural area? Well you would have some more leeway.

Yeh, 100 round drum magazines & bump stocks make for the ultimate in home defense, I'm sure.

 

[Jhhnn]

He also says "Now, I can ship out machines that will help you crank out 1911's in your kitchen all day and nobody has anything to say about it... noone has to know about it... it's really cool, and it wasn't true [that you could do this] last year, in the way that it's true now."

And you can sell the shit out of them when you're deep into gun nut culture, of course.

 

[Cerb]

There's nothing they can do about it. It's not a big enough threat to overturned by SCOTUS, so they'll just let it be. The most I can see being done is possible congressional regulation on 3d printers such as unique identifiers like all regular printers do today. And they may try to regulate Cody's Ghost Gunner milling machine to a small degree like background checks.

How will that work? I mean, for $10,000 printers, fine, but when someone is taking some Chinese FOSS boards, stepper motors, drill and lathe parts, cut-to-size extrusions, etc., I don't see that working out. Plus, just having a unique ID doesn't mean anything, unless it can be discerned from the final printed part. It's not a technology that lends itself towards centralized control.

OTOH, it will also be expensive enough, for the foreseeable future, that commercially made high quality firearms on the black market will likely be cheaper, so outside of unregulated killbots, it's probably not actually a concern, and that subject is on a whole other level.

 

[whm1974]

Yeh, 100 round drum magazines & bump stocks make for the ultimate in home defense, I'm sure.

The last time I've done research on using deadly force in legal self defense the user of those items will quickly find themselves in hot water, especially with the bump stump.

 

[whm1974]

The last time I've done research on using deadly force in legal self defense the user of those items will quickly find themselves in hot water, especially with the bump stump.

Edit:
I can't state this enough, but if you have a firearm for self-defense you should use common sense. don't be reckless and be mindful.

 

[nOOky]

I'm pretty tech savvy as far as things go, but I'd rather buy a specific gun made by someone with a lot better equipment than I could ever afford to have, than to print one at home myself. Seems to me the only fun use at home would to be to make something illegal anyway 😉