DOJ Settles In Landmark Gun Suit, Safeguarding the 2nd Amendment!

[whm1974]

Looks like 3.7 oz.

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-undetectable-firearms-act-and-3d-printed-guns-faq/

Thanks.

 

[zinfamous]

That is Depending on where your home is and who or what you defending against. If you live in an urban area and/or have to defend yourselves against gangs, then an AR-15 in 9mm is a good choice. Otherwise a handgun and maybe a shotgun for backup. In an rural area? Well you would have some more leeway.

yes, you must defend your home against roving gangs. Where do you live, in the Robocop movie, c. 1985?

fucking NRA and their bullshit movie reality.

 

[zinfamous]

Guy is too uninformed to realize that gun barrels ($50-150) and FCGs (under $20) are pretty dam affordable and nobody would print them out as a result.

You inject ovary-stimulating hormones into your dick because you think it will add muscle mass to your 5'2" frame.

I'm also not going to trust your word about...well, anything.

 

[whm1974]

Yep looks like a complete meltdown in the comments section. This was especially funny:


Guy is too uninformed to realize that gun barrels ($50-150) and FCGs (under $20) are pretty dam affordable and nobody would print them out as a result.

Yeah it will cost more to print those parts, and then there is the issue of safety as well.

 

[whm1974]

yes, you must defend your home against roving gangs. Where do you live, in the Robocop movie, c. 1985?

fucking NRA and their bullshit movie reality.

People have been targeted by gangs before.

 

[Jhhnn]

yes, you must defend your home against roving gangs. Where do you live, in the Robocop movie, c. 1985?

fucking NRA and their bullshit movie reality.

Nuts, isn't it?

 

[whm1974]

You inject ovary-stimulating hormones into your dick because you think it will add muscle mass to your 5'2" frame.

I'm also not going to trust your word about...well, anything.

All you have to do is look up the prices for gun parts. And please leave off the insults, using them just you look like a rabid member of the extreme left.

 

[Thebobo]

People have been targeted by gangs before.

lol

 

[Cerb]

Define "high quality", b/c Shuty is 6000+ rounds without failure and that's not even one of Cody's designs (it's open source community created).

If the printed part won't have to take a lot of impact from recoil, loading, etc., then it can probably be made with a run of the mill plastic and printer. Otherwise, it's often going to be tricky, without paying through the nose for your printer. Printed parts have a lot of weaknesses, even with some newer plastics that are available, and getting good layer bonding, and tight tolerances all-around, can take a lot of time, waste a lot of filament, and some printers are just not going to cut it with some plastics.

If you already have the kind of machining know-how for this sort of tinkering, and for example built your printer on a FOSS platform, and have tinkered with it until it sings and dances, then breaks, or starts failing on big jobs, and then lather, rinse, repeat, you're the type that can pull it off. The thing is, to cheaply print a wide variety of plastics well basically means 3D printing itself has to be your hobby, not merely the stuff that you print.

Accuracy and precision? Probably still better in commercial for now, but Cody's files will replicate the exact parts so I don't know if there's going to be much of a difference other than craftsmanship, e.g. if small welds are required or not. Not hard to do and every man should learn how to weld, but it's not something that everyone wants to necessarily learn. As time passes and tech progresses, the gap between the layman and commercial manufacturers will get less and less and I wouldn't be surprised if many gun manufacturers either went out of biz or have to lower their prices.

Nah. Metal printers already exist, and they will only get better and cheaper. Small-scale high-precision ceramic printers are also in the works (large ones already exist). Commercial outfits will use them for prototyping, improving future designs quicker than every before, and possibly even print certain parts that are more difficult to machine than print, but for which the printed parts are good enough quality.

 

[zinfamous]

All you have to do is look up the prices for gun parts. And please leave off the insults, using them just you look like a rabid member of the extreme left.

are you, in any way, familiar with Sp33dy's posting history? Everyone gets an opportunity to establish themselves in my book. Once you've well established that you aren't interested in reasonable discussion, then I will approach that person's comments appropriately.

Also, this "He called a magazine a clip! Therefore he isn't allowed to talk about guns!" is a fucking childish argument for the playground. I won't tolerate it in any form, and neither should you. Unless of course, like Sp33dy, you prefer that no one take you seriously?

Though, you calling me a "rabid member of the extreme left" for ridiculing an obviously fallacious children's argument that no self-respecting adult would endorse, kinda outs you on that front. Just saying, man.

 

[1prophet]

No high tech, no 3d printer

 

[cytg111]

For reasons not guns this is great .. I didnt know 3D printing had come this far! Holy crap, with the proper instructions and the right 3D printer you may never need to order another part for your car again.
Yea automation is not going anywhere folks, dont worry, your jobs is safe.
Shiiiiiit.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

please leave off the insults

you look like a rabid member of the extreme left

Really? Really?

 

[cytg111]

You inject ovary-stimulating hormones into your dick because you think it will add muscle mass to your 5'2" frame..

That does sound like something speedy would do ...

 

[zinfamous]

That does sound like something speedy would do ...

Well, people are saying.

 

[whm1974]

are you, in any way, familiar with Sp33dy's posting history? Everyone gets an opportunity to establish themselves in my book. Once you've well established that you aren't interested in reasonable discussion, then I will approach that person's comments appropriately.

Also, this "He called a magazine a clip! Therefore he isn't allowed to talk about guns!" is a fucking childish argument for the playground. I won't tolerate it in any form, and neither should you. Unless of course, like Sp33dy, you prefer that no one take you seriously?

Though, you calling me a "rabid member of the extreme left" for ridiculing an obviously fallacious children's argument that no self-respecting adult would endorse, kinda outs you on that front. Just saying, man.

I didn't call you a "rabid member of the extreme left" for ridiculing Sp33dy's argument, but for using insults.

 

[whm1974]

Really? Really?

Yes really.

 

[momeNt]

Smells like freedom.

 

[zinfamous]

I didn't call you a "rabid member of the extreme left" for ridiculing Sp33dy's argument, but for using insults.

welcome to P&N, enjoy the ride. But hey, at least "rabid extreme left" is still way better than the vast numbers of violence and outright murder from, almost exclusively, the rabid extreme right, that has terrorized this country for the last 30+ years

Hell, the good 'ol USA 'merican extreme white "christian" has been far, far, far more dangerous to the average American than any kind of evil muslim terrorist or immigrant.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...-time-talk-about-right-wing-extremism/146319/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/26/alt-america-terrorism-rightwing-hate-crimes
http://www.politifact.com/californi...rries-out-more-terror-attacks-us-soil-right-/

wow, a good bit more than 70% of all violent terrorist acts committed in the USA, for the last 4 or so decades, by home-grown right-wingers. The remaining is there to carve out between foreign terrorists (which are, ostensibly, also right wing extremists), and left-wingers.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-300-violent-attacks-inspired-far-right-every-year

Wow, 300 violent attacks by the far right, every year! But hey! Let's point and complain about a couple of poor neighborhoods in Chicago that are historically terrorized by their own internal problems. I think the right has a lot of explaining to do. Stones in glass houses, and all that.

But yeah, next time you try to cry about me calling someone some bad names, think about all of the daily murders that your ideology inspires. Just think about it.

 

[IronWing]

Smells like freedom.

Oh, I'm totally okay with building one's own guns. I just think there are solid technical reasons that it is uncommon to do so and one of those reasons is that an improperly made gun can literally blow up in your face.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think this will just end up being more of a hobby then anything else. And I'm quite sure that making decent made and put together 3D printed firearms require more skill then the media is saying it does. And designing safe to shoot firearms is another thing totally different.

You really don't understand what this is all about. The Wired article in the OP mostly misses it, too. It's about the technology to readily create untraceable firearms which is largely dependent on the sale of unserialized 80% finished lower receivers. It's about applying CnC tech to get to 100% using a $1200 machine. All other parts are readily available. It's about having your own clandestine gun factory. Printed guns have yet to be more than curiosities.

Which is great for anarchists (the subject of the piece), paramilitaries, organized crime & so forth. It's great for anybody who can't pass a background check, too, if they can hook up with the right person.

Anybody who just wants to build their own AR can buy a serialized receiver for slightly more than the 80% finished item, pass a background check & finish with whatever parts they desire. Which isn't the point of ghost guns at all.

 

[whm1974]

welcome to P&N, enjoy the ride. But hey, at least "rabid extreme left" is still way better than the vast numbers of violence and outright murder from, almost exclusively, the rabid extreme right, that has terrorized this country for the last 30+ years

Hell, the good 'ol USA 'merican extreme white "christian" has been far, far, far more dangerous to the average American than any kind of evil muslim terrorist or immigrant.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...-time-talk-about-right-wing-extremism/146319/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/26/alt-america-terrorism-rightwing-hate-crimes
http://www.politifact.com/californi...rries-out-more-terror-attacks-us-soil-right-/

wow, a good bit more than 70% of all violent terrorist acts committed in the USA, for the last 4 or so decades, by home-grown right-wingers. The remaining is there to carve out between foreign terrorists (which are, ostensibly, also right wing extremists), and left-wingers.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-300-violent-attacks-inspired-far-right-every-year

Wow, 300 violent attacks by the far right, every year! But hey! Let's point and complain about a couple of poor neighborhoods in Chicago that are historically terrorized by their own internal problems. I think the right has a lot of explaining to do. Stones in glass houses, and all that.

But yeah, next time you try to cry about me calling someone some bad names, think about all of the daily murders that your ideology inspires. Just think about it.

If you read my post on other threads, then you would know that I don't follow far right wing ideology at all. Not everyone who supports the 2nd Amendment are far right nutjobs. In fact most gun owners and supporters are moderate in comparison to what the GOP has become.

 

[zinfamous]

If you read my post on other threads, then you would know that I don't follow far right wing ideology at all. Not everyone who supports the 2nd Amendment are far right nutjobs. In fact most gun owners and supporters are moderate in comparison to what the GOP has become.

That's fair. My apologies for lumping you in with the GOP and other like-minded terrorists. :beer:

 

[whm1974]

That's fair. My apologies for lumping you in with the GOP and other like-minded terrorists. :beer:

Accepted

 

[SP33Demon]

Leftists and their pussyass states are freaking the fuck out trying to sue to get Cody's files off the internet! I love it!
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...un-company-sue-to-get-files-off-the-internet/

"After almost 18 months I was skeptical that there was anything else that this administration would do that would truly shock me, but they have," Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson told reporters assembled in Olympia and by phone. "Frankly, it is terrifying... We think that it is important to put a stop to this right away and make it as difficult as humanly possible to access this information."

The new lawsuit, which Ferguson explained will be filed "within hours," comes just one day after Defense Distributed voluntarily agreed to block IP addresses from Pennsylvania after that state’s attorney general filed a similar motion in federal court there.

"Pennsylvania is still suing and we are still responding," Defense Distributed’s founder, Cody Wilson, told Ars.

Preemptively on Sunday, Defense Distributed sued the attorney general of New Jersey and the city attorney of Los Angeles to stop those lawsuits, largely on First Amendment grounds.

In this new 20-state initiative, the Washington attorney general argued that the State Department settlement violated the Administrative Procedure Act and also infringed upon states’ Tenth Amendment right to regulate firearms within their own states. Ferguson pointed out, for example, people convicted of domestic abuse are flaggedwhen they attempt to legally buy a gun. Allowing anyone to download and manufacture their own gun circumvents that process, he said.

But Wilson told Ars it may be too late, as the files went up last Friday evening—days before he said he would resume publishing them on August 1.

"They’re trying to stop me posting files on DEFCAD," he added. "It already happened. They’ve been up working late but the facts in the ground have changed."

The settlement with the State Department, which was signed in April but only took effect in late June, says that the DEFCAD files in question are "approved for public release (unlimited distribution) in any form and are exempt from the export licensing requirements of the [International Traffic in Arms Regulations, ITAR]."

The State Department has also agreed to pay Defense Distributed's legal fees, which total nearly $40,000.

Goddam, the whining is so rich from these pussyass blue states. I love it, and there's absolutely NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT! MAGA!

BTW did everyone get their files yet?