DOJ Settles In Landmark Gun Suit, Safeguarding the 2nd Amendment!

[SP33Demon]

RIP Gun Control! What a great day for not only this country, but every country since they will all be affected!

https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns
https://www.dailywire.com/news/3287...suit-safeguarding-second-amanda-prestigiacomo

In 2013, hot-shot crypto-anarchist Cody Wilson warned the world that downloadable guns were imminent and gun control as we know it, a mere fantasy. Some five years later, fresh off a huge effective win against the State Department — which allows for Wilson to post his 3D-printable gun files online, "communist style," as he calls it — Wilson says gun control is officially dead. And he killed her.

"I barely put a million bucks into this and I got you the Second Amendment forever," he boasted to The Daily Wire in a phone interview. "What has the NRA done for you lately?"

Due to the terms of the surprising settlement of the United States government, Wilson can begin posting his open-source technical data, including files for every gun up to .50 caliber available through commerce, on July 27. An irrevocable content dump, according to Wilson, which renders gun control efforts increasingly futile.

Moreover, in the settlement, "the government expressly acknowledges that non-automatic firearms up to .50-caliber – including modern semi-auto sporting rifles such as the popular AR-15 and similar firearms – are not inherently military," notes a press release from the Second Amendment Foundation. In other words, the handful of liberal states that currently ban "assault weapons" like the AR-15, such as New York state via the SAFE Act, could potentially face legal challenges.

Great video from the wired link that interviews Cody Wilson and shows his business and how the engineers create the schematics for each part of each gun. His database will be invaluable for gun enthusiasts everywhere who will want to eventually print any part of any gun from any model.

So while MSM was infatuated with which song the UK will play during Trump's visit, Stormy Daniels, Brett Kavanaugh liking beer and baseball, etc gun control was just delivered a fatal blow. Since 3D printers are now significantly less than the cost of a retail gun (can get a decent one under $300), it will be cheaper to just print them. So not only does this ensure that anyone can have a gun personally in their household by printing them (which we could legally make anyway but it was cost prohibitive to buy the milling equipment), but this ruling also allows legal challenges to the SAFE Act since many of these guns are not inherently and technically "military". For example, AR-15s are actually great home defense weapons (see the superlong ATOT thread that is probably still archived on the merits of its features) so its classification as military was incorrect and bans on it by certain liberal states actually disenfranchised its citizens' 2nd amendment rights.

Since this ruling can only be overturned by SCOTUS and Cody will be releasing his digital schematics on July 27th into the public domain (which makes it irrevocable), this ensures that anyone anywhere in the world will be able to defend themselves. This is Cody's "Concord Hymn" (Ralph Waldo Emerson) and he will go down as a great american hero for preserving the 2nd amendment rights for generations across the globe to come. Let freedom ring from the greatest country in the world! Let no country oppress its citizens by force ever again!

 

[IronWing]

Speedy, print and fire a gun. Let us know how it goes.

 

[SP33Demon]

Speedy, print and fire a gun. Let us know how it goes.

Watch the video. Not only can you print entire PLASTIC assault weapons now, but Cody's Ghost Gunner milling machine translates the digital specs into METAL. I don't think you realize how fast the tech has moved on this front. The single fire gun that Cody debuted with was 5 years ago, a lot has changed since then and that was when 3D printers were $800.

 

[IronWing]

Watch the video. Not only can you print entire PLASTIC assault weapons now, but Cody's Ghost Gunner milling machine translates the digital specs into METAL. I don't think you realize how fast the tech has moved on this front. The single fire gun that Cody debuted with was 5 years ago, a lot has changed since then and that was when 3D printers were $800.

Right, so print and fire a gun. Let us know how it goes.

 

[UNCjigga]

Great, a double whammy to gun sales everywhere (gun sales drop when 2A not under attack, AND you can print your guns!)

This is great news for defunding the NRA (aka gun manufacturers marketing association aka GOP dark money fundraiser aka Russian agents.)

Thanks for sharing Speedy. We'll turn you into a liberal yet (or at least Libertarian!)

 

[pauldun170]

Cracked up about the AR15 being a great home defense weapon comment.

Gun manufacturers and related industries will hear this news and be very supportive about printing your own weapons.
They'll have contests and stuff. With raffles.
They won't release the krakens at all.

 

[soulcougher73]

NRA runs off to secure stocks in 3D printing companies and abandons traditional gun makers....

 

[SP33Demon]

Cracked up about the AR15 being a great home defense weapon comment.

Gun manufacturers and related industries will hear this news and be very supportive about printing your own weapons.
They'll have contests and stuff. With raffles.
They won't release the krakens at all.

There's nothing they can do about it. It's not a big enough threat to overturned by SCOTUS, so they'll just let it be. The most I can see being done is possible congressional regulation on 3d printers such as unique identifiers like all regular printers do today. And they may try to regulate Cody's Ghost Gunner milling machine to a small degree like background checks. None of them really help gun control activists, they'll be too busy chasing their tails over ARs getting unbanned everywhere.

And the AR is a fantastic home def weapon on par with a shotgun since it won't penetrate much with the right ammo.

 

[SP33Demon]

Great, a double whammy to gun sales everywhere (gun sales drop when 2A not under attack, AND you can print your guns!)

This is great news for defunding the NRA (aka gun manufacturers marketing association aka GOP dark money fundraiser aka Russian agents.)

Thanks for sharing Speedy. We'll turn you into a liberal yet (or at least Libertarian!)

They will simply have to drop prices as demand drops, just as record companies had to adapt to the mp3 and CD sales tanking. Also keep in mind that these gun companies will be able to create their own customized parts cheaper and even sell the digital schematics for gun add-ons if they want. So it opens up an entire new industry of products due to this decision since the schematics will now fall under the dept of commerce.

 

[whm1974]

Even before this ruling you could legal manufacture firearms for you own use as long you can legally own firearms and said firearms are legal.

 

[SP33Demon]

NRA runs off to secure stocks in 3D printing companies and abandons traditional gun makers....

You might be right since new products will be created digitally, and many companies will want to profit by selling the digital schematics akin to cad drawings and GIS data.

 

[SP33Demon]

Even before this ruling you could legal manufacture firearms for you own use as long you can legally own firearms and said firearms are legal.

Yes but you couldn't 1) do it without thousands of dollars in equipment to shape metal (or know someone with such equipment 2) do it with the press of a few buttons 3) have instantaneous public access to hundreds (and soon thousands) of guns at the press of a button without even thinking about how a gun works and what parts are needed to make it work. Bloods and crips probably just put in an order for 50 3d printers yesterday (partly joking but you get the gist of it). The ruling makes it so that the masses (i.e. non-enthusiasts) can make them quickly and cheaply.

 

[whm1974]

Yes but you couldn't 1) do it without thousands of dollars in equipment to shape metal (or know someone with such equipment 2) do it with the press of a few buttons 3) have instantaneous public access to hundreds (and soon thousands) of guns at the press of a button without even thinking about how a gun works and what parts are needed to make it work. Bloods and crips probably just put in an order for 50 3d printers yesterday (partly joking but you get the gist of it). The ruling makes it so that the masses (i.e. non-enthusiasts) can make them quickly and cheaply.

I can see a few dumb asses getting eggs on their faces due to not knowing anything about firearm manufacturing or materials or the limits of how powerful the ammo they can use. And then having said firearm exploding in pieces because of that.

 

[SP33Demon]

I can see a few dumb asses getting eggs on their faces due to not knowing anything about firearm manufacturing or materials or the limits of how powerful the ammo they can use. And then having said firearm exploding in pieces because of that.

Yeah that too, good point. You can make certain weps but the caliber and amount of grain and gunpowder matters. If you build something at home that has never been tested, it could end in a tragic failure. Cody's schematics are all specced out and tested by engineers. They've incorporated all of that blood, sweat and tears into the intellectual property of the schematics. This enables anyone globally with a 3d printer to essential become their own gun manufacturing company despite it being illegal to sell any gun you made at home. Really the only thing gun control countries can do is try and ban the schematics (like Austrailia said they'll do) b/c you can't ban 3D printers.

 

[whm1974]

Yeah that too, good point. You can make certain weps but the caliber and amount of grain and gunpowder matters. If you build something at home that has never been tested, it could end in a tragic failure. Cody's schematics are all specced out and tested by engineers. They've incorporated all of that blood, sweat and tears into the intellectual property of the schematics. This enables everyone with a 3d printer to essential become their own gun manufacturing company despite it being illegal to sell anything you made at home.

I used to reload ammo so I'm well aware of the dangers of not having due diligence. Just how strong exactly are the materials used for this type of firearm manufacturing? something chambered in .380 is relatively simple compared to 9mm let along more powerful cartridges.

 

[rommelrommel]

You still can’t print a barrel or other critical parts. AR15 lowers make the most sense because you can just go buy every other part without any control or restriction.

If you can come up with a barrel, magazine, and a few springs this will probably let a lot of crude blowback guns be made at home.

 

[SP33Demon]

I used to reload ammo so I'm well aware of the dangers of not having due diligence. Just how strong exactly are the materials used for this type of firearm manufacturing? something chambered in .380 is relatively simple compared to 9mm let along more powerful cartridges.

I don't own a 3D printer so couldn't tell you. From the wired article it looks like the schematics have advanced to entire assault weapons made of printed plastic. I know in 2013, the single shot "Liberator" that Cody created was disposable. It was advised not to shoot it more than a few times since the materials could fail. But fast forward 5 years, it'd be a good bet that plastics have gotten a lot heartier if entire assault rifles can be made so I'd guess that .38 and 9mm are on the table. I'm guessing any magnums, .45 or .50 types would probably be out of the question for now although I may be wrong. Those might still have to be made by the Ghost Gunner milling machine in metal. When I have more time I'll research it because I'd like to buy both to test when his schematics are released on the 27th.

 

[whm1974]

You still can’t print a barrel or other critical parts. AR15 lowers make the most sense because you can just go buy every other part without any control or restriction.

If you can come up with a barrel, magazine, and a few springs this will probably let a lot of crude blowback guns be made at home.

And there is the question of how to "proof" these as well.

 

[whm1974]

I don't own a 3D printer so couldn't tell you. From the wired article it looks like the schematics have advanced to entire assault weapons made of printed plastic. I know in 2013, the single shot "Liberator" that Cody created was disposable. It was advised not to shoot it more than a few times since the materials could fail. But fast forward 5 years, it'd be a good bet that plastics have gotten a lot heartier if entire assault rifles can be made so I'd guess that .38 and 9mm are on the table. I'm guessing any magnums, .45 or .50 types would probably be out of the question for now although I may be wrong. Those might still have to be made by the Ghost Gunner milling machine in metal. When I have more time I'll research it because I'd like to buy both to test when his schematics are released on the 27th.

Not that I would make one, but I think full-auto weapons would be out of the question as well due to the amount of stress and heat.

 

[SP33Demon]

You still can’t print a barrel or other critical parts. AR15 lowers make the most sense because you can just go buy every other part without any control or restriction.

If you can come up with a barrel, magazine, and a few springs this will probably let a lot of crude blowback guns be made at home.

I don't think that's true, link? I've heard that every part can be printed now and the only parts of *transferable* guns are lowers, and these guns are illegal to transfer so they're unregulated and for personal consumption only.

 

[SP33Demon]

Not that I would make one, but I think full-auto weapons would be out of the question as well due to the amount of stress and heat.

According to this link from 5 years ago, someone claims that an AR-15 lower was printed and has shot 600+ rounds without failing. So I'm pretty sure that entire assault rifles are able to be printed now without failing. Welcome to the new era of gun ownership!
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/19h0ju/meet_cody_wilson_the_man_who_has_made_it_possible/

jjswee 1 point 5 years ago

Here is a review of a lower receiver for an AR-15. It lasted 6 shots then broke.

UsesMemesAtWrongTime 1 point 5 years ago

That's an old revision. Newest one shot 600+ and hasn't failed yet.

 

[whm1974]

According to this link from 5 years ago, someone claims that an AR-15 lower was printed and has shot 600+ rounds without failing. So I'm pretty sure that entire assault rifles are able to be printed now without failing. Welcome to the new era of gun ownership!
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/19h0ju/meet_cody_wilson_the_man_who_has_made_it_possible/

I'm not an expert on the AR-15 rifle or that matter automatic weapons but I think there quite a difference between firing a rifle in semi-auto mode and then full-auto(M-16) at ~600rpm

 

[Bitek]

While thing sounds like a pain in the ass.

I'd rather just buy from a professional shop than some diy crap and save the 3d printing for hobby RC vehicles and such.

 

[mindless1]

According to this link from 5 years ago, someone claims that an AR-15 lower was printed and has shot 600+ rounds without failing. So I'm pretty sure that entire assault rifles are able to be printed now without failing. Welcome to the new era of gun ownership!
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/19h0ju/meet_cody_wilson_the_man_who_has_made_it_possible/

One example of one gun that has shot 600+ rounds, does not make for proof that they aren't more dangerous to the shooter than the target, and would probably require a 3D printer and material far in excess of the cost of the same retail gun, unless printing some rare antique.

Meh, to some extent I feel like if you aren't legally allowed to own a gun and can't muster up $1K, you probably shouldn't have one. If you really NEED one, is a plastic throwaway what you want to bet your life on?

 

[whm1974]

One example of one gun that has shot 600+ rounds, does not make for proof that they aren't more dangerous to the shooter than the target, and wouldn't require a 3D printer and material far in excess of the cost of the same retail gun, unless printing some rare antique.

Meh, to some extent I feel like if you aren't legally allowed to own a gun and can't muster up $1K, you probably shouldn't have one. If you really NEED one, is a plastic throwaway what you want to bet your life on?

I think this will just end up being more of a hobby then anything else. And I'm quite sure that making decent made and put together 3D printed firearms require more skill then the media is saying it does. And designing safe to shoot firearms is another thing totally different.