Do you think the transgender movement is bad for the gay rights movement?

[s0me0nesmind1]

There's something I love about the smell of hypocrisy in the air.... It's like the tears of liberals, it makes for an excellent cocktail. Oh sweet delicious tears....

Nothing better than hearing some women ranting and getting all pissy when some dude that calls himself a woman (with a schlong) starts arguing that he would like to go in their restrooms and their locker rooms to dress. Then all of a sudden the crazy feminist nazi turns from "We are OPEN TO CHANGE!!! You should be too! If you're not with us than you're against us!" into... "WE WILL NOT ALLOW THIS!!! We need our privacy!"

Oh sweet juicy hypocrisy tears.... :awe:

 

[5150Joker]

Except that she has had a sexual reassignment surgery to remove her penis and now has a vagina. Not only that but she has a husband now. She keeps her name as Kevin as she doesn't want to lie about her past.

So you want to tell me she's still faking it and still a man pretending to be a woman just to abuse children in bathrooms according to the hateful ads?

P.S. How can you rape someone or even qualify as a man if you don't have a penis? Under your conservative logic, isn't a man someone who has a penis?

It's still a man, just because he cut his penis off and dilated the urethra into a psuedovagina doesn't make him a woman. It's entirely artificial and superficial, from the estrogen pills to the repurposed penile tissue. He has no uterus, no ovaries, doesn't menstruate and definitely cannot reproduce because nature has created him with XY chromosomes not XX.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I do agree with one of the earlier posters earlier that the bottom line is that everyone needs to be treated with respect. Unfortunately many of the comments in this thread do not reflect that. This forum can be especially vile and immature which is odd since this is a tech forum, which one would think would be filled with smarted and more mature people than many of the other boards out there. Instead it seems to be filled with name calling 14 year olds, oh well.

Back on topic some alluded to feminism, but I don't see the correlation. If anyone would like to take a swing at that and explain how feminism and women's rights ties in with transgenders I'd be interested in hearing.

I agree that gender neutral bathrooms shouldn't be a big deal, but am also able to see how it could make many (both male and females) uncomfortable and could even potentially put them in a dangerous situation. Forcing high school girls to get undressed in front of a boy in a locker room (even if the boy "indentifies" as a girl) is not respectful to any of them.

As one poster said above society is not ready, that may be the case for better or worse. Asking society to accept that people acting as something they aren't is normal - especially when that involves mutilation of ones body via surgery - is a tall order though, and no one should be made to feel bad for not going along with it.

Transgenders should not be lumped together with homosexuals, they are two different and distinct things that sometimes overlap but the vast majority of the time don't. Gay activists have made great strides in making the world a more fair and accepting place for them, if I were gay I wouldn't want to be lumped into the same acronym as a different group of people that has nothing to do with me.

 

[MongGrel]

Personally, I have never had a problem with gay rights, I was supporting even civil unions long ago.

The Tran sexual issue is completely different in my book, I was forced to work near someone who professed that for 10 years, and it looked more like a personal "Look at me, I'm a special snowflake" thing way way too long.

I had to grit my teeth whenever I was near that person. Corporate did it as a Diversity thing at the time it seems.

And went along with it to that persons benefit.

 

[MongGrel]

NM.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yes it does. The only thing they have in common is mental issues.

 

[LegendKiller]

Texashiker just proved my point beautifully better than I could have, which is why transgender people have been killing themselves for millenia because of the reaction of people like Texashiker bullying them and assaulting them and killing them.

There's a reason my LBGT friends won't visit Texas. One was even born in Paris Texas and won't go back there.

No, people have killed themselves because they are mentally ill.

Wanting to cut your dick off doesn't make you a hero, it makes you mentally ill.

I don't care what Bruce Jenner wants to do, don't shove it in my kid's face, or say I can't raise them in a certain way. That's the problem I have with people like you, you want to indoctrinate my kids.

A woman is a woman, a man is a man. This idiocy around "social constructs" is a complete farce, it is basic biology. It is only a "social construct" when people like you want it to be. Want a woman to be President, not a social construct. Want a guy to cut off his dick, social construct. It was created by feminists who want to tear down one gender at the expense of another in an attempt to dismiss basic biology.

If men and women were the same, then explain the differences in olympic qualifying times between genders.

Pumping a person full of drugs and hacking of body parts doesn't make them a different gender, or sex. It makes them fucked in the head.

Think of how fucked up this makes Bruce's kids. Do you think they could deny acceptance? If they did, they would be lambasted by SJWs like you.

 

[5150Joker]

No, people have killed themselves because they are mentally ill.

I don't care what Bruce Jenner wants to do, don't shove it in my kid's face, or say I can't raise them in a certain way. That's the problem I have with people like you, you want to indoctrinate my kids.

I'm an agnostic and even I believe that traditional norms and values had a purpose, even if they had religious undertones--it was to reinforce the fabric of society. If anyone has ever lived in or near San Francisco and seen the gay parades there, you'd know how harmful that could be to adolescents who witness flamboyant homosexuals in ass chaps making sexual poses. The tranny's are doing the same now and I don't even want to think of what group will try to stake a claim for equality next. In that regard, I give a lot of credit to Russia and the Middle East for rejecting this sort of deviant behavior and sticking to their principles--too bad America wasn't able to do the same.

 

[Subyman]

No, people have killed themselves because they are mentally ill.

Wanting to cut your dick off doesn't make you a hero, it makes you mentally ill.

I don't care what Bruce Jenner wants to do, don't shove it in my kid's face, or say I can't raise them in a certain way. That's the problem I have with people like you, you want to indoctrinate my kids.

A woman is a woman, a man is a man. This idiocy around "social constructs" is a complete farce, it is basic biology. It is only a "social construct" when people like you want it to be. Want a woman to be President, not a social construct. Want a guy to cut off his dick, social construct. It was created by feminists who want to tear down one gender at the expense of another in an attempt to dismiss basic biology.

If men and women were the same, then explain the differences in olympic qualifying times between genders.

Pumping a person full of drugs and hacking of body parts doesn't make them a different gender, or sex. It makes them fucked in the head.

Think of how fucked up this makes Bruce's kids. Do you think they could deny acceptance? If they did, they would be lambasted by SJWs like you.

Another moron that thinks transgender = cutting penis off.

 

[LegendKiller]

Another moron that thinks transgender = cutting penis off.

And another moron who misses the point. I don't give a fuck if you cut your dick off or wear dresses. Just don't pretend it is normal and force that shit on my family. You want to live like that, fine. I don't care. But don't re label my normal kids cisgender or tell them that they have to accept this or else.

 

[5150Joker]

Another moron that thinks transgender = cutting penis off.

So you can't argue the issue without using infantile insults? Should AT moderators be going around insulting members by calling them "morons" and inciting discord? Perch needs to do some house cleaning, maybe someone should write them a courtesy e-mail. I'm sure if this was the VC&G forum you'd be a hypocrite and have given a post like yours an infraction.

Your extended moderator call out is not allowed here. If you have a problem with a moderator's actions as a moderator, make a post in Mod Discussions.

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[feralkid]

The transgender movement is bad for everyone and everything. Either you have a Y Chromosome, balls and you're a male, or you have an X chromosome, ovaries, and are a female. Anyone who wants to complicate it any more than that is a scourge on society. There are already enough problems to deal with that will not be dealt with when people get distracted by things like this that should be a nonissue.

Translation: Your civil rights aren't important to me because I'm already befuddled by other things in life and stuff.

Wimp.

 

[JulesMaximus]

This is the crux of the issue and homosexuals have already succeeded in shoving this sort of lifestyle down everyone's throats. Kids these days are fully indoctrinated in this way of thinking and it's leading to a slippery slope. I'm an agnostic and even I believe that traditional norms and values had a purpose, even if they had religious undertones--it was to reinforce the fabric of society. If anyone has ever lived in or near San Francisco and seen the gay parades there, you'd know how harmful that could be to adolescents who witness flamboyant homosexuals in ass chaps making sexual poses. Yet they tried comparing it to the civil rights movement and with lobbyists + ultra left wing liberal media backing, pushed it down everyone's throats. The tranny's are doing the same now and I don't even want to think of what group of freaks will try to stake a claim for equality next. In that regard, I give a lot of credit to Russia and the Middle East for rejecting this sort of deviant behavior and sticking to their principles--too bad America wasn't able to do the same.

Maybe you should move there.

 

[JulesMaximus]

And another moron who misses the point. I don't give a fuck if you cut your dick off or wear dresses. Just don't pretend it is normal and force that shit on my family. You want to live like that, fine. I don't care. But don't re label my normal kids cisgender or tell them that they have to accept this or else.

Your kids have to accept this or else.

 

[Subyman]

And another moron who misses the point. I don't give a fuck if you cut your dick off or wear dresses. Just don't pretend it is normal and force that shit on my family. You want to live like that, fine. I don't care. But don't re label my normal kids cisgender or tell them that they have to accept this or else.

Forcing what? No one is making your kids gay or transgender. Your argument is the oldest, dumbest, and is used in every situation where someone has no point. "Don't force gays on my family." "Don't force the black man in my neighborhood or my schools." Blah blah. The funny part is your kids don't give a crap. They are much more accepting then you.

 

[LegendKiller]

No, correct translation is that nobody is going to stop you from chopping your dick off, but don't be surprised when people call you crazy, or persecute them if they do

 

[LegendKiller]

Your kids have to accept this or else.

They are my kids, not yours. How I raise them is my business, not yours. We do not raise our kids collectively. But it is nice that you want to abrogate my rights as a parent to give others rights. But that's what SJWs do, conformation at gunpoint.

But hey, a centralized government forcing everybody to bend to their whim is exactly why thus country was founded, eh? I am sure there is plenty of stuff I your life I could force you to change.

Translation: Your civil rights aren't important to me because I'm already befuddled by other things in life and stuff.

Wimp.

 

[LegendKiller]

Forcing what? No one is making your kids gay or transgender. Your argument is the oldest, dumbest, and is used in every situation where someone has no point. "Don't force gays on my family." "Don't force the black man in my neighborhood or my schools." Blah blah. The funny part is your kids don't give a crap. They are much more accepting then you.

No, by advertising the shit out of it and declaring somebody who cuts their dick off as a hero, rather than the truth, you encourage such behavior.

 

[K1052]

No, by advertising the shit out of it and declaring somebody who cuts their dick off as a hero, rather than the truth, you encourage such behavior.

I heard the same arguments against people coming out as gay publicly and being in the media. A gay dad on TV? Stop shoving it in our faces! As long as you keep quiet, don't make a fuss, and do as you're told that we'll tolerate you.

While I may not fully understand all the issues that transgender persons face erring on the side of protecting the the preconceptions of the ignorant (whom I may be among at times) to the detriment of these folks is not a good idea IMO.

 

[LegendKiller]

I heard the same arguments against people coming out as gay publicly and being in the media. A gay dad on TV? Stop shoving it in our faces! As long as you keep quiet, don't make a fuss, and do as you're told that we'll tolerate you.

While I may not fully understand all the issues that transgender persons face erring on the side of protecting the the preconceptions of the ignorant (whom I may be among at times) to the detriment of these folks is not a good idea IMO.

If people want to do it, I do not care, they are 100% free do do what they want. But don't pretend they are doing anything different that anybody else does. Just live your life and stop trying to shove it down my throat.

 

[Subyman]

No, by advertising the shit out of it and declaring somebody who cuts their dick off as a hero, rather than the truth, you encourage such behavior.

Just know the issue is much broader than "chopping dicks off." It is an identity issue and one medical procedure isn't the end all be all of the issues they are dealing with. :thumbsup:

 

[LegendKiller]

Just know the issue is much broader than "chopping dicks off." It is an identity issue and one medical procedure isn't the end all be all of the issues they are dealing with.

It is beyond a medical issue. As I have repeatedly stated, it is a mental issue. One which is probably a lot closer to body dysmorphic disorder than anything else.

 

[IGBT]

the bestiality mob is next for "rights".

 

[bradly1101]

And I guess another follow up question, do you think that the transgender movement is harming the progressive movement as a whole, not just gay rights? I think that it wouldn't be a stretch to assume the majority of Americans don't see transexuals as normal or mentally healthy (that doesn't mean they should be hostile to them by any stretch), would this cast a bad light on liberals in the eyes of many. Even to those who would support the majority of liberal/progressive ideas?

As a gay man I always wondered about adding the 'T' on there, but I assumed "the power gays" (the ones who work in the upper echelons of media) put it there to be inclusive (many of us know the torture of lack of acceptance). Also a man who feels he's really a woman obviously likes other men and therefore has something in common with gays.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It is beyond a medical issue. As I have repeatedly stated, it is a mental issue. One which is probably a lot closer to body dysmorphic disorder than anything else.

well if you qualify it as such, and toothless does as well, I guess the case is closed.