Do you think the transgender movement is bad for the gay rights movement?

[Texashiker]

Negative.

Clearly you've never been outside the United States. Outside of the USA, in South America, Central America, Asia transgenders are accepted and can often use bathrooms of the genders where they identify.

What was the suicide rate of blacks before the civil rights movement? Pretty sure it was a lot lower than so called "transgender" people. Blacks were treated like second class citizens for hundreds of years.

Jews have been persecuted fro thousands of years. What is their suicide rate?

Suicide is a sign of mental illness, deal with it.

 

[5150Joker]

Every alternative lifestyle is being lumped in with homosexuals. They are even altering how you address individuals now and instead of using he/she they added 'ne' to address those who don't identify with a gender. Rather than put money into researching why homosexuality/gender identity dysfunction occurs and how to solve it, there's reactionary politically correct media that tells us it's wrong to bring up this obvious question.

The problem is we have two sides of the political spectrum and both are crazy. Ultra leftists want us to believe that every lifestyle should be embraced and is natural and shouldn't be questioned. While on the other hand the teabaggers crucify anything that isn't like them and are too caught up in biblical fairytales. The West is on a fast track to social decay.

 

[Texashiker]

While on the other hand the teabaggers crucify anything that isn't like them and are too caught up in biblical fairytales.

There is so much more to it than your simple explanations.

I simply object to mentally ill people given special rights.

The West is on a fast track to social decay.

I fully agree with that statement.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There is so much more to it than your simple explanations.

I simply object to mentally ill people given special rights.

And if given the chance I'd bet you'd be all over the black population for seeking out voting rights, interracial marriages, etc.

stupid bigot says stupid things, zero surprise.

 

[Indus]

What was the suicide rate of blacks before the civil rights movement? Pretty sure it was a lot lower than so called "transgender" people. Blacks were treated like second class citizens for hundreds of years.

Jews have been persecuted fro thousands of years. What is their suicide rate?

Suicide is a sign of mental illness, deal with it.

Nice strawman.

But ok I'll destroy your argument.

When you have a community you feel you can belong there even if ostracized. Like The Civil Rights Movement and more so.

On the other hand kids are born transgender and if they come out, many times your parents hit you, your school friends make fun of you, you can't get a job because others call you a freak and the only community you have is if you have enough money to escape to a town like San Francisco or New York with a sizeable LBGT community.

I'll give you an example: Kevin Balot. You can google the name.

But basically "A guy" according to you named Kevin looks like:

And his/ her father disowned Kevin, beat her up and she spent all her life wanting to kill herself. Now she's a model/ presenter and the only reason the father wants to forgive her is because she has more money than him.

So who's really the mentally ill person? Her or society discarding a beautiful person till that person has money?

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Everyone seems to want to focus on the bathroom and I find that quite trivial. Who gives a crap who's taking a crap in the stall next to you right? Where I think this becomes a real issue is in the locker room. Not all women want to undress in a locker room with men and I'm sure there's men who don't necessarily want to undress around women.

To the OP's question, does the transgender movement hurt the gay rights movement, I would have to say yes. Transgenders are in essence attempting to force others to not just leave them be or accept they are who they are but to integrate with them in settings where people are rightfully apprehensive. I think a 110 lb. woman is perfectly within her rights to object to having to undress in the same room as a 300 lb male stranger who says he's a woman.

Rather than put money into researching why homosexuality/gender identity dysfunction occurs and how to solve it, there's reactionary politically correct media that tells us it's wrong to bring up this obvious question.

No research required. If you are attracted to the same sex it's your genes telling you "don't pass me on, I'm broken." There's a reason why heterosexuals are repulsed by homosexuality, it flies in the face of genetics. It's not bigotry, hate or "moral values." It's simply biological nature telling you "that's not right." Everything else is just people trying to find a way to PC up their aversion to same sex relationships.

 

[Indus]

I think a 110 lb. woman is perfectly within her rights to object to having to undress in the same room as a 300 lb male stranger who says he's a woman.

But what if it's a 300 lb woman and a 110 lb transgender woman?

 

[Texashiker]

And if given the chance I'd bet you'd be all over the black population for seeking out voting rights, interracial marriages, etc.

stupid bigot says stupid things, zero surprise.

When you have a community you feel you can belong there even if ostracized. Like The Civil Rights Movement and more so.

Yall are confusing race with a mental illness.


Your comparisons should be more along the lines of people wanted a limb amputated or to be blind.

This lady had drain cleaned poured into her eyes so she would be blinded.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...s-fulfil-lifelong-wish-says-happier-ever.html

can we honestly say people like her are not mentally ill?

 

[Indus]

Complete Strawman again since I just destroyed your original argument and made you look like a dunce.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

But what if it's a 300 lb woman and a 110 lb transgender woman?

Highly improbable that a 300 lb woman is a threat to anyone. And by the way you worded it, the true fun begins. By transgender woman do you mean a man that says he's a woman or a woman that says she's a man?

 

[Texashiker]

Complete Strawman again since I just destroyed your original argument and made you look like a dunce.

Have you seen the documentary whole?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429245/

There is no difference between someone cutting a leg off and cutting a penis of breast off.

It is a mental illness that needs to be treated.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yall are confusing race with a mental illness.


Your comparisons should be more along the lines of people wanted a limb amputated or to be blind.

This lady had drain cleaned poured into her eyes so she would be blinded.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...s-fulfil-lifelong-wish-says-happier-ever.html

can we honestly say people like her are not mentally ill?

you are a moron. again, I have to say it is a shame that you procreated and spread YOUR mental illness.

 

[5150Joker]

Nice strawman.

But ok I'll destroy your argument.

When you have a community you feel you can belong there even if ostracized. Like The Civil Rights Movement and more so.

On the other hand kids are born transgender and if they come out, many times your parents hit you, your school friends make fun of you, you can't get a job because others call you a freak and the only community you have is if you have enough money to escape to a town like San Francisco or New York with a sizeable LBGT community.

I'll give you an example: Kevin Balot. You can google the name.

But basically "A guy" according to you named Kevin looks like:

And his/ her father disowned Kevin, beat her up and she spent all her life wanting to kill herself. Now she's a model/ presenter and the only reason the father wants to forgive her is because she has more money than him.

So who's really the mentally ill person? Her or society discarding a beautiful person till that person has money?

All this proves is Kevin is good at dressing up to look like a woman and pretend to be one to make money. If a woman grows a beard and joins a circus, does that change her gender?

 

[bozack]

If it's not hurting someone in a tangible way (making them feel "uncomfortable" doesn't count) then why should anyone care? You can go around claiming to be George Washington or that Keynesian Economics works or anything else similarly outlandish and facially untrue yet in neither case do we put you in a mental institution, why would we treat something like completely subjective like perceived gender identity any differently?

lack of compassion there I see, to suggest that making folks feel unsafe, uncomfortable isn't "hurting" them is a bit ridiculous no?

The reality is that there is a physical difference between the sexes/genders that can never be ignored away regardless of how much some would like them to be.

This is going to be a tough issue to contend with, and to the OP I would say that some would argue yes whereas others would say no...

 

[Texashiker]

you are a moron. again, I have to say it is a shame that you procreated and spread YOUR mental illness.

Hey doc, I am supposed to be a woman, will you cut my penis off?
Dr. sure, no problem.

Hey doc, I am supposed to be blind, will you burn my eyes out?
Dr. you need help. It would be unethical for me to operate on you

Hey doc, I am supposed to only have one leg, will you cut the other one off?
Dr. you need help. It would be unethical for me to operate on you.

One is ok but the others are not?

 

[flexy]

Every alternative lifestyle is being lumped in with homosexuals. It's LGBTBBQ time in America and Europe. They are even altering how you address individuals now and instead of using he/she they added 'ne' to address those who don't identify with a gender. Rather than put money into researching why homosexuality/gender identity dysfunction occurs and how to solve it, there's reactionary politically correct media that tells us it's wrong to bring up this obvious question.

The problem is we have two sides of the political spectrum and both are crazy. Ultra leftists want us to believe that every fucked up lifestyle should be embraced and is natural and shouldn't be questioned. While on the other hand the teabaggers crucify anything that isn't like them and are too caught up in biblical fairytales. The West is on a fast track to social decay.

You use the word "dysfunction" - but this alleged "dysfunction" (as I pointed out further above) only arises because of society norms and expectations. To repeat myself, IN PRINCIPLE a gender could be entirely irrelevant. M+W, M+M, W+W, ?+?, in theory we could care less and what type of relationships people form could be as interesting as a sack of rice falling in China. Or what type of roles people "play" in their lifes, entirely independently of their "gender".
HEY...women CAN go to work and drive cars. REALLY. Women can become scientists, they can even fly on a Space Shuttle. Guys can become ballet dancers and think that baseball sucks.
Guys can be together with guys, women with women or whatever.

There IS no "dysfunction" aside the one you perceive as such because it violates your own ideas of morale. If there is something to be "cured" it's how society sees genders.

"Fucked up lifestyle" blahblahblah. You look at a relationship, say of gays, and consider this a "fucked up lifestyle". Why? Do you look at "normal" folks too and judge them based on their sexual preferences?

Funny thing, in every-day life, other folk's sexual lifestyle, what they do in the bedroom is a big taboo. You don't normally speak about those things. You don't know what that coworker, CEO, friend etc. does in their bedroom. Then why is it so important, say, to look at gay relationships and MERELY focus on the fact that "they have gay sex"? How relevant is this?

 

[Perknose]

When did the nation become so lost in political correctness that it disposes of morals and traditional values?

Like slavery, segregation, and denying women the right to vote, amirite?

In all seriousness, glenn1 got it right:

Transgender rights movement needs time to mature just like gay rights. Fights over bathrooms today are the same type of anger over changing status quo that same-sex marriage was once. In a couple decades we'll likewise wonder what the big deal was over bathroom policies. There's not anything magical about people taking a shit in the vicinity of only those of their own gender, just like there isn't anything magic about only people of opposite genders getting married.

 

[Subyman]

Have you seen the documentary whole?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429245/

There is no difference between someone cutting a leg off and cutting a penis of breast off.

It is a mental illness that needs to be treated.

Lol for you thinking all transgendered people want to cut body parts off and then equate that to a person who thinks their arm is evil. Shows how big of a moron you are.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

which traditional values? the jim crow traditions? the legal discrimination of gays/lesbians? who's to say your morals aren't all fucked up and convoluted?

Like slavery, segregation, and denying women the right to vote, amirite?

In all seriousness, glenn1 got it right:

He never answered that the first time. You think you'll get an answer the 2nd time?

 

[Indus]

All this proves is Kevin is good at dressing up to look like a woman and pretend to be one to make money. If a woman grows a beard and joins a circus, does that change her gender?

Except that she has had a sexual reassignment surgery to remove her penis and now has a vagina. Not only that but she has a husband now. She keeps her name as Kevin as she doesn't want to lie about her past.

So you want to tell me she's still faking it and still a man pretending to be a woman just to abuse children in bathrooms according to the hateful ads?

P.S. How can you rape someone or even qualify as a man if you don't have a penis? Under your conservative logic, isn't a man someone who has a penis?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Have you seen the documentary whole?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429245/

There is no difference between someone cutting a leg off and cutting a penis of breast off.

It is a mental illness that needs to be treated.

Even for you this is exceedingly stupid. If you're going to troll, at least put in some honest effort.

 

[BurnItDwn]

What the hell difference does it make if somebody wants to be one gender or another. Let them do their thing. The only way we are going to have true gender neutrality and get rid of all the annoying assholes who run the fringe elements of the feminist movement and the "mens rights" asshats to STFU is to reach a level playing field. Improving rights for transgendered people likely will improve the situation overall. So, yea, lets invite them to the adult table and tell them they no longer have to sit at the kids table.

 

[Perknose]

He never answered that the first time. You think you'll get an answer the 2nd time?

Well, I did use a few less words, so as to not overflow his brain registers.

 

[MrPickins]

That's right... better get used to the idea of people marrying their toasters, it's coming. Nothing magic about that either.

Nehalem? Is that you?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well, I did use a few less words, so as to not overflow his brain registers.

well we both did use polysyllabic words, that could have cramped his brain up for a while.