Do you think the transgender movement is bad for the gay rights movement?

[Newell Steamer]

I am not being mean or snarky, but find me a homosexual that feels this way and I'll say; "There it is."

I am not part of the gay rights movement or the transgender movement. So, I do not know, nor can I predict.

If there is a legitimate concern from anyone involved, I'll take their word for it.

Bottom line; if you are a human being you deserve to be treated with respect, so long as you project respect. Demanding a man in drag be allowed to change in a ladies room is not projecting respect, it's trolling frankly.

As for the whole bathroom/changing room/gym locker area; I wouldn't be surprised if we end up having 3 types of each; male, female and coed.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Things become normal when you let them settle down and be normal.

When you need your stupid employer LGBT club to make you feel better about yourself - in reality you just keep distancing yourself. Live your life, we don't give a fuck what you are.

Same goes for clubs by race and gender. It just makes rational people roll their eyes.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

When did the nation become so lost in political correctness that it disposes of morals and traditional values? What else will future generations make a mockery of, all behind the guise of keeping your opinion to yourself?

which traditional values? the jim crow traditions? the legal discrimination of gays/lesbians? who's to say your morals aren't all fucked up and convoluted?

 

[JulesMaximus]

That post has the kind of vitriol that isn't really helpful towards the conversation, and I think the bulk of the US don't despise gays or transgenders, or even think of them together. I do think that the push to have transgenders accepted as 'normal' isn't working and turning people off to liberal thing as a whole, possibly making them rethink their recent shift towards acceptance of the gay rights movement.

I'm not really sure how you come to that conclusion. I haven't met anyone who is transgendered personally but my wife knows someone she went to school who is. Guy used to be a cop in fact but he left that profession years ago and now he's a woman (to what extent I don't know). My wife is friends with her on FB. She seems happy with her life and I guess that's all you could want for any person. Why would I have to label a person as "normal" to accept them? Why would I have to label them at all?

 

[sm625]

The transgender movement is bad for everyone and everything. Either you have a Y Chromosome, balls and you're a male, or you have an X chromosome, ovaries, and are a female. Anyone who wants to complicate it any more than that is a scourge on society. There are already enough problems to deal with that will not be dealt with when people get distracted by things like this that should be a nonissue.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

LOL

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...room-as-your-husband_563b997fe4b0411d3070003a

 

[Subyman]

I don't mind any of it. Gay marriage isn't causing tsunamis, so I doubt giving transgender people whatever it is they want won't be a big deal either.

 

[Subyman]

The transgender movement is bad for everyone and everything. Either you have a Y Chromosome, balls and you're a male, or you have an X chromosome, ovaries, and are a female. Anyone who wants to complicate it any more than that is a scourge on society. There are already enough problems to deal with that will not be dealt with when people get distracted by things like this that should be a nonissue.

Whats the complication? Who is in your bathroom isn't going to cause a scourge on society. Face forward, take a piss, shake it, wash hands, and leave. Nothing changes. The only people making it a big deal are people that want to be distracted.

 

[flexy]

When did the nation become so lost in political correctness that it disposes of morals and traditional values? What else will future generations make a mockery of, all behind the guise of keeping your opinion to yourself?

What the frickin' frack have "morals and traditional values" to do with someone being gay or transgender?

I really WISH that you as a person which "supposedly" has morals and "traditional values" would be a father/mother and... low and behold..would give birth to a son or daughter which would be gay or TG.

But I guess, according to your "logic" you would simply "beat the gay out of them" or find a miracle cure (maybe in your church) to "cure" being gay or TG. Alternatively, like you folks normally do, when all fails, then just disown your children

 

[JulesMaximus]

The transgender movement is bad for everyone and everything. Either you have a Y Chromosome, balls and you're a male, or you have an X chromosome, ovaries, and are a female. Anyone who wants to complicate it any more than that is a scourge on society. There are already enough problems to deal with that will not be dealt with when people get distracted by things like this that should be a nonissue.

Really?

I can honestly say that transgender is something that has caused me zero distraction in life. The only people who should be distracted by it are transgendered people. I have to ask why this is a problem for you?

 

[flexy]

The transgender movement is bad for everyone and everything. Either you have a Y Chromosome, balls and you're a male, or you have an X chromosome, ovaries, and are a female. Anyone who wants to complicate it any more than that is a scourge on society. There are already enough problems to deal with that will not be dealt with when people get distracted by things like this that should be a nonissue.

First, what please is the "transgender movement"?
Second, what is actually the problem?

The problem only arises from "genderizing" folks and put labels on them. Because IN PRINCIPLE it could be irrelevant what gender or orientation someone has. Entirely irrelevant. The disconnect only occurs when certain behaviours and roles in society ARE EXPECTED, based on gender...this is what's "complicated".

I don't think that someone saying "well, I identify as a woman" must be "complicated" even if his physique is male. It would "simply" require a shift in thinking and getting away from thinking in compartments. ("Nono, my daughter gets a Barbie for Christmas and my son a car, everything else is "wrong"). The "complication" is all in YOUR head and I wouldn't blame TG or gay people for causing it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

First, what please is the "transgender movement"?
Second, what is actually the problem?

The problem only arises from "genderizing" folks and put labels on them. Because IN PRINCIPLE it could be irrelevant what gender or orientation someone has. Entirely irrelevant. The disconnect only occurs when certain behaviours and roles in society ARE EXPECTED, based on gender...this is what's "complicated".

I don't think that someone saying "well, I identify as a woman" must be "complicated" even if his physique is male. It would "simply" require a shift in thinking and getting away from thinking in compartments. ("Nono, my daughter gets a Barbie for Christmas and my son a car, everything else is "wrong"). The "complication" is all in YOUR head and I wouldn't blame TG or gay people for causing it.

:thumbsup: I remember going to a bar once in the early 90s in Marina del Rey after I first moved to California. I was with some friends of mine and we were drinking and trying, unsuccessfully, to hook up with women. Place was packed and I remember seeing two "women" who clearly weren't but it didn't really bother me in the least. I just thought it was amusing. Never saw which restroom they used but I imagine they used the ladies room. I sure as fuck would have noticed if they used the men's room.

This sort of thing has been going on for decades... not sure why it's a media issue now all of a sudden. Like there haven't been transgendered people for decades and they haven't been using the restroom of the gender they identify with all along.

 

[glenn1]

Really?

I can honestly say that transgender is something that has caused me zero distraction in life. The only people who should be distracted by it are transgendered people. I have to ask why this is a problem for you?

Evidently some folks find transgendered people so sexually attractive they need to be physically separated from them in a restroom else they uncontrollably jump their bones while the TG person is taking a dump.

 

[Texashiker]

Transgender rights movement needs time to mature just like gay rights. Fights over bathrooms today are the same type of anger over changing status quo that same-sex marriage was once.

Big difference between mentally ill people pretending to be the opposite sex and two adults consenting to be married.

This backlash is just hate towards Caitlyn Jenner because she's putting herself as the face of a moment and they are so negative of her from the start for being part of the Kardashian clan.

Bull crap.

The backlash towards bruce jenner is because he is a man dressing in womens clothing then claiming to be a woman.

He is no more a woman than a turtle is an eagle.

If someone thought they were George Washington, dressed as such, talked as such, that person would be deemed mentally ill. But someone can walk around dressed and acting like the opposite sex and it is socially acceptable?

Society needs to stop appeasing mentally ill people.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Caitlyn Jenner's interest in the LGBT movement starts and stops at $. If boobs and dresses make her feel comfortable with herself that's fine, but she's clearly all about just herself, and the big charade is pretending otherwise.

 

[glenn1]

Big difference between mentally ill people pretending to be the opposite sex and two adults consenting to be married.

Bull crap.

The backlash towards bruce jenner is because he is a man dressing in womens clothing then claiming to be a woman.

He is no more a woman than a turtle is an eagle.

If someone thought they were George Washington, dressed as such, talked as such, that person would be deemed mentally ill. But someone can walk around dressed and acting like the opposite sex and it is socially acceptable?

Society needs to stop appeasing mentally ill people.

If it's not hurting someone in a tangible way (making them feel "uncomfortable" doesn't count) then why should anyone care? You can go around claiming to be George Washington or that Keynesian Economics works or anything else similarly outlandish and facially untrue yet in neither case do we put you in a mental institution, why would we treat something like completely subjective like perceived gender identity any differently?

 

[Indus]

Texashiker just proved my point beautifully better than I could have, which is why transgender people have been killing themselves for millenia because of the reaction of people like Texashiker bullying them and assaulting them and killing them.

There's a reason my LBGT friends won't visit Texas. One was even born in Paris Texas and won't go back there.

 

[Texashiker]

If it's not hurting someone in a tangible way (making them feel "uncomfortable" doesn't count) then why should anyone care?

This is because I am black isn't it? I am white but I am going to play the race card to win sympathy. But because I think I am black your comments are raciest.

Need a little "extra" to get that job or college admission? Let's be a black, lesbian, transgender and trans-species.

Claiming to be something you are not is lying.

which is why transgender people have been killing themselves for millenia

Trans-gender have been killing themselves because they are mentally ill.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This is because I am black isn't it? I am white but I am going to play the race card to win sympathy. But because I think I am black your comments are raciest.

Need a little "extra" to get that job or college admission? Let's be a black, lesbian, transgender and trans-species.

Claiming to be something you are not is lying.




Trans-gender have been killing themselves because they are mentally ill.

go back to tugging, toothless, your own mental illness should be your #1 priority.

 

[Indus]

Trans-gender have been killing themselves because they are mentally ill.

Negative.

Clearly you've never been outside the United States. Outside of the USA, in South America, Central America, Asia transgenders are accepted and can often use bathrooms of the genders where they identify.

The only notable exception being the Phillippines which was a US colony so our shitty values were given to them.

 

[glenn1]

Need a little "extra" to get that job or college admission? Let's be a black, lesbian, transgender and trans-species.

Did you go into a coma in 1982 during the end credits of "Tootsie" or something? Because that's the only possible way you could think that transgendered people were merely acting to achieve some kind of status or economic benefit. Please do tell us what career field exists where being transgendered is MORE likely to land you the job because I certainly can't think of one.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Well you do have one thing right. Bruce Jenner is trying to be the face of I don't know what, but all he is is a transvestite freak.

And Shiloh Pitt is 9 years old for fuck sake, only reason that is even happening at her age is no doubt a product of today's mind-fucked gender warped society. How about you wait until she is an age to where she doesn't still believe in santa claus before you say what she is or isn't.

Strange thing about the Human condition is that some profess hate for that which they are most attracted to.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Big difference between mentally ill people pretending to be the opposite sex and two adults consenting to be married.




Bull crap.

The backlash towards bruce jenner is because he is a man dressing in womens clothing then claiming to be a woman.

He is no more a woman than a turtle is an eagle.

If someone thought they were George Washington, dressed as such, talked as such, that person would be deemed mentally ill. But someone can walk around dressed and acting like the opposite sex and it is socially acceptable?

Society needs to stop appeasing mentally ill people.

If they do Washington well, we can put them on stage, tour the country and make a mint. What do you do besides grump?

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Before I can finish my reply, I need to know, are transgenders homosexual?

 

[MajinCry]

Strange thing about the Human condition is that some profess hate for that which they are most attracted to.

Just what you'd expect from a species that is half a chromosome away from the chimpanzee. Heh.

Give 'em another set of bathrooms. One for men that identify as women, another fer women that identify as men.

The upside, is that there will be fewer people using the same bathroom, which means less chance of turdific encounters.

Sounds good ta me.