do you think that Tookie Williams should executed?

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

worst link...ever

johnandeknnyshow.com doesnt work
johnandkennyshow.com doesnt work

ah finally found it

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/archives/2005/12/01/

Sorry, i sliced my thumb... big time.. while washing dishes last night, and cannot type worth a damn today.

 

[MadPeriot]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
hit the switch

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

worst link...ever

johnandeknnyshow.com doesnt work
johnandkennyshow.com doesnt work

ah finally found it

http://www.johnandkenshow.com/archives/2005/12/01/

Sorry, i sliced my thumb... big time.. while washing dishes last night, and cannot type worth a damn today.

I guess i can forgive you this time...just dont be using that excuse ever again!!

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
While the board is alight with sympathy and forgiveness for this violent, repeat offender....this cold blooded murderer... I would like to take the spotlight, for one second, and swing it to the families and loved ones of:

Albert Owens
Tsai-Shai Yang
Ye-Chen Lin

and the rest of victims of this gang founder.

johnandeknnyshow.com has an archive dated december 1st, 2005 that links to the pics of what this nobel nominee did to these INNOCENT ppl.

.... ok, back to tookie... (just wanted to focus on the families for a second)

HE DID NOT FOUND THE CRIPS. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: GroundZero
put a fork in him, he's done!

good riddance!

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Do all you ATOT Christians/conservatives not believe in forgiveness?

NO

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
While the board is alight with sympathy and forgiveness for this violent, repeat offender....this cold blooded murderer... I would like to take the spotlight, for one second, and swing it to the families and loved ones of:

Albert Owens
Tsai-Shai Yang
Ye-Chen Lin

and the rest of victims of this gang founder.

johnandeknnyshow.com has an archive dated december 1st, 2005 that links to the pics of what this nobel nominee did to these INNOCENT ppl.

.... ok, back to tookie... (just wanted to focus on the families for a second)

HE DID NOT FOUND THE CRIPS. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??

If what you say is true, then there are LOADS of ppl who got it wrong.

 

[iwearnosox]

It's a little difficult to see people blabbering on about tonight's execution with little insight or perspective on what the death penalty's all about. Some say it's a deterrent, some say it's a waste of money and time, some feel people can redeem themselves and make society better if given the chance.

For me it's a simple thing: If I'm murdered I'd like to know there's a system in place to hunt the person down who did it. I'm dead, you see, and cannot do it myself. I'd like to see a little checkbox on the back of your drivers license indicating whether you're pro capital punishment or not. Should something happen to you it's society's obligation to adhere to your final wish. You're a liberal? Fine, life without possibility of paroll. Case closed.

With regard to tonight's execution, I think people simply lose sight of the victims here. This is their moment of justice. Let the state take the trash out, it's been a long time coming.

 

[shoRunner]

i think should executed he

 

[gi0rgi0]

Fo fuk sakes. I shud git a gawddamn nobel peece prize to then niiaaa!!!!

 

[Xylitol]

He's a goner in... 6 hours 44 minutes

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: shilala
Want Justice?
Let the families have him. Help them select a nice aluminum ball bat with a nice timbre. If they want him dead, let them do it.
It may just change the outlook if they are the ones that have to do the dirty work.
That would be justice.

sounds like old-school Roman-style "feeding him to the Lions"-type justice. Sadly, I'm sure it would get fantastic ratings!

It's more like eye for an eye, but take it to the people who were offended.
The families are the ones who need justice.
Let them take it.
I know sure as shyt that had Tookie taken my family, and I had opportunity, I'd want him to see my face right before he checked out.
I'd also appreciate the opportunity to find out just exactly what kind of person I was in an "Am I Merciful" situation like that.
Thinking aboot it, I don't know if I'd lay the smack down or let him rot in prison.
If I crush his skull, it makes me much like him.
I don't know if I want to live the rest of my days knowing I'm that I'm a piece of shyt, too.
I don't think I'm qualified to be the supreme judge of this guy's existance.

It'd be a hell of a place to be, and I really wonder what I'd do, especially 24 years after the fact.

i too feel the moral dilemma inherent in this - even as bystanders.

i recently watched a movie called The Interpreter with Nicole Kidman. I am trying to recall a part in the movie where she is talking about a custom in another culture in which the victims are given an opportunity to hold (the criminal's) head under water.... then goes on to explain how if they let him up, they will live out their existence peacefully and only grieve one year for the loss of their family. but if they hold the head down and kill for revenge, they will grieve forever and never get over the loss of their family member.

not sure exactly how it went, but that was the jist (sp?) of it.

it's all beside the point i guess. i do think there are cases in which people should be eliminated from this world entirely. having said that i don't know much about Tookie but i just heard his voice on the news for the first time and things like that can definitely soften one's stance and quickness to judge.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Fvck Tookie, let the riots begin:thumbsdown:

 

[gi0rgi0]

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: BriGy86
yes, he started the crips and they are the cause of how many deaths?

hundreds most likely

as for the nobel peace prize he didn't get one he was nominated

anyone can nominate you, you can nominate yourself, in this case i heard it was his defense lawer that nominated him, it doesn't mean $hit unitl you see him with the award

Not quite - there are restrictions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize

Nominations for the prize may be made by a broad array of prominent individuals, including former recipients, members of national assemblies, university professors, international judges, and special advisors to the prize committee. In some years as many as 199 nominations have been received. The nominations are kept secret by the committee which asks that nominators do the same. Over time many individuals have become known as "Nobel Peace Prize Nominees", but this designation has no official standing [2]. Nominations from 1901 to 1951 have been released in a database. When the past nominations were released it was discovered that Adolf Hitler was once nominated in 1939, though the nomination was retracted in February of the same year.

So it's not a complete free-for-all, but there are still quite a few nominators.

and so what if he writes book for children, does that put him on the same plain as mother terrisa?

who's the lady that wrote the harry potter books, she got a large population into reading again, and i don't see her getting special treatment

So basically in todays political correct environment, even hitler would've been nominated for a nobel peace prize since he once was an artist :evil:

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: shilala
Want Justice?
Let the families have him. Help them select a nice aluminum ball bat with a nice timbre. If they want him dead, let them do it.
It may just change the outlook if they are the ones that have to do the dirty work.
That would be justice.

sounds like old-school Roman-style "feeding him to the Lions"-type justice. Sadly, I'm sure it would get fantastic ratings!

It's more like eye for an eye, but take it to the people who were offended.
The families are the ones who need justice.
Let them take it.
I know sure as shyt that had Tookie taken my family, and I had opportunity, I'd want him to see my face right before he checked out.
I'd also appreciate the opportunity to find out just exactly what kind of person I was in an "Am I Merciful" situation like that.
Thinking aboot it, I don't know if I'd lay the smack down or let him rot in prison.
If I crush his skull, it makes me much like him.
I don't know if I want to live the rest of my days knowing I'm that I'm a piece of shyt, too.
I don't think I'm qualified to be the supreme judge of this guy's existance.

It'd be a hell of a place to be, and I really wonder what I'd do, especially 24 years after the fact.

i too feel the moral dilemma inherent in this - even as bystanders.

i recently watched a movie called The Interpreter with Nicole Kidman. I am trying to recall a part in the movie where she is talking about a custom in another culture in which the victims are given an opportunity to hold (the criminal's) head under water.... then goes on to explain how if they let him up, they will live out their existence peacefully and only grieve one year for the loss of their family. but if they hold the head down and kill for revenge, they will grieve forever and never get over the loss of their family member.

not sure exactly how it went, but that was the jist (sp?) of it.

it's all beside the point i guess. i do think there are cases in which people should be eliminated from this world entirely. having said that i don't know much about Tookie but i just heard his voice on the news for the first time and things like that can definitely soften one's stance and quickness to judge.

Regardless of who "Tookie" has become his actions have extinguished the right for other human beings to become something as well. Perhaps he killed a man that would become "more nobel" than him.

I cannot speak for the victims in tookie's case but I can speak for the family and friends of someone that was murdered, and whose murderer sits on the same row tookie is on. Time stands still when someone you love is taken from you violently. It's not something you get over, it's something you carry the rest of your life. For many the execution brings closure. This is about the people that were killed and the people they loved- it's their moment.

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

The death penalty has never been a deterrent for crime (if it was why are we still having to execute), it costs more then life in prison, and innocent people have been PROVEN to have been put to death for various reasons (racism, socio-economic status, lack of accesses to an adequate legal defense.)

Take a look at history before you quote an eye for an eye! The world is not black and white, ATOT.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
The death penalty has never been a deterrent for crime (if it was why are we still having to execute), it costs more then life in prison, and innocent people have been PROVEN to have been put to death for various reasons (racism, socio-economic status, lack of accesses to an adequate legal defense.)

Take a look at history before you quote an eye for an eye! The world is not black and white, ATOT.

Quoted for fallacy.

The death penalty will give those who testified against him (and their families) some relief, as will the families of his victims.

He deserves no relief, he has never admitted guilt, and he sold a whopping 400 children's books.

And he's going to be dead in a matter of hours, that's black & white.

Goodby Tookie the murderer.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Regardless of who "Tookie" has become his actions have extinguished the right for other human beings to become something as well. Perhaps he killed a man that would become "more nobel" than him.

I cannot speak for the victims in tookie's case but I can speak for the family and friends of someone that was murdered, and whose murderer sits on the same row tookie is on. Time stands still when someone you love is taken from you violently. It's not something you get over, it's something you carry the rest of your life. For many the execution brings closure. This is about the people that were killed and the people they loved- it's their moment.

i'm sorry that you lost someone.

thanks for sharing it

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

It's a little difficult to see people blabbering on about tonight's execution with little insight or perspective on what the death penalty's all about. Some say it's a deterrent, some say it's a waste of money and time, some feel people can redeem themselves and make society better if given the chance.

For me it's a simple thing: If I'm murdered I'd like to know there's a system in place to hunt the person down who did it. I'm dead, you see, and cannot do it myself. I'd like to see a little checkbox on the back of your drivers license indicating whether you're pro capital punishment or not. Should something happen to you it's society's obligation to adhere to your final wish. You're a liberal? Fine, life without possibility of paroll. Case closed.

With regard to tonight's execution, I think people simply lose sight of the victims here. This is their moment of justice. Let the state take the trash out, it's been a long time coming.

horseshit.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
The death penalty has never been a deterrent for crime (if it was why are we still having to execute), it costs more then life in prison, and innocent people have been PROVEN to have been put to death for various reasons (racism, socio-economic status, lack of accesses to an adequate legal defense.)

Take a look at history before you quote an eye for an eye! The world is not black and white, ATOT.

thank you. finally, someone with common sense.

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: eits
1, you can't expect death row inmates who were raised on the streets to write nytimes best sellers.

2, at least he's being proactive in trying to improve society.

3, he killed people... yeah, that's terrible and dispicable and whatnot. but i don't understand why you people seem to miss the point (maybe it's because your judgement and perception is so clouded with anger and "righteousness" that you forget) that someone who does something like that DESERVES TO SUFFER FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE! what the hell kind of life-long suffering is dying in your sleep (that's what they do... in the gas chamber, after 2 breaths of hydrocyanic gas, you pass out... then, you're pronounced dead after a matter of minutes)?! that's not suffering... that's called being painlessly knocked out and never snapping out of it. LET THE ASSHOLE ROT IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE!

1. My God, who the hell cares if he wrote a children's novel. The point is, the jury found him guilty of the crimes and he was sentenced to DEATH. He was not sentenced to rot in prison for the rest of his life .. so what you're telling me is, all that money we spent on the trial, the result, and the whole process doesn't matter? Why even go to trial when none of that matters, in your case? What he does after the murders is irrelevent.

2. That's because he's DESPERATE. Wouldn't you do the same if your life was on the line?

3. Let him rot in jail on our tab? NO THANK YOU! Our jails are overcrowded as it is. Why let him rot in jail for the rest of his life when he was sentenced to death?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
The death penalty has never been a deterrent for crime (if it was why are we still having to execute), it costs more then life in prison, and innocent people have been PROVEN to have been put to death for various reasons (racism, socio-economic status, lack of accesses to an adequate legal defense.)

Take a look at history before you quote an eye for an eye! The world is not black and white, ATOT.

Quoted for fallacy.

The death penalty will give those who testified against him (and their families) some relief, as will the families of his victims.

He deserves no relief, he has never admitted guilt, and he sold a whopping 400 children's books.

And he's going to be dead in a matter of hours, that's black & white.

Goodby Tookie the murderer.

it's spelled "goodbye"

and even if he's guilty of murder (which i believe he is), he deserves worse than death. he deserves to stay alive and rot away in a jail cell. why give him the ease of a painless and easy death? not only that, but by keeping him alive, you'd be helping society and counteracting the ugliness that took the victims lives. not only THAT, but his death will probably INCREASE the amount of deaths of innocent people due to a) race-related crimes, b) no real figure counteracting gangs and violence....

tookie's gonna die by lethal injection.... that means he gets an injection to peacefully put him to sleep, another shot to paralyze him while he's peacefully asleep, and another shot to stop his heart.

yeah, that really sounds like what he deserves.... that sounds WAAAAY worse than more years of staring at the same ugly, cold walls and eating the same slop everyday.

 

[gi0rgi0]

Wow how original Anthro....Are you ready for some football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vic]

Considering that I believe life in prison without the possibility of parole to be crueler than the death penalty, I think he's getting off easy. Because, either way, he dies in prison. May as well do it tonight. He's already abused the legal system with 25 years of appeals. And those who oppose the death penalty in this particular case abuse the legal system which has thoroughly exhausted itself in appeals and also the democratic process which continues to support the death penalty.

 

[Murphy Durphy]

Originally posted by: daveymark
he wrote a chlidren's book and won a nobel prize, so no. All convicts that write children's books and win nobel prizes should be given carte blanche to murder/rape/pillage as they please

I'm not going to go through all the pages to see if this was covered, but I'm pretty sure he was just NOMINATED for a nobel prize and didn't win anything. Some goofy people have been nominated before, so that's really not saying too much..