do you think that Tookie Williams should executed?

[jadinolf]

:laugh:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Zap Brannigan
I'm not even going to ask why you have a pic like that or what strange google phrases were floating aorund your head to find a pic like that. Please spare us any more pics of that guy and whatever farm anaimal of yours that he happens to be courting ok?

that guy = you.

 

[totalcommand]

wow mosh is as evil as the death penalty is.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
wow mosh is as evil as the death penalty is.

:evil: oh i'm worse... much much worse

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Zap Brannigan

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Zap Brannigan
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

-Gandalf

And yet Gandalf himself took quite a bit of life. I think you missed the point of that quote. I would not say that 25 years of appeals was "eager," or that Tookie was going to be the instrument to destroy the One Ring.

Fixed your typo too.

Gandalf fought in self defense. He was'nt all reigning down death sentences left and right to anyone. It's not his fault orcs kept rushinhg to impaling themselves on his sword. lol

Golem was a murderer too and alive longer than 25 years after his crimes too. Golem even tried to kill Gandalfs good friend Bilbo and niether Bilbo nor Gandalf sentenced Golem to death by hanging or what not.

Face it, the death penalty is not only cruel and unusual, it's ****** retarded. All in favor of eye for an eye are blind in more than one way.

In a way, capital punishment is self-defense in the same fashion you describe. We are protecting ourselves from and removing ourselves of a proven threat that has murdered innocent people. It's not our fault that Tookie choose to murder innocent people. It's not raining (fixed your spelling) down death sentences left and right. That shows extreme disrespect for our laws and our democratic process. He received a fair and impartial trial and was found guilty by a jury based upon evidence providing proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond that, he got 25 years of appeals.

As to "cruel and unusual," that is just ignorant. I already addressed this abuse of the 8th Amendment earlier in this thread. At the time of the writing of the Constitution, there were no prisons in the modern sense, and the 2 principal forms of punishment were either corporal (whipping or stockade) or capital (primarily hanging). If hanging was not "cruel and unusual" to the people who actually wrote that phrase in the Constitution, how can it be now?

I have an idea: let's avoid this whole eye-for-an-eye thing and not punish criminals at all. Just let 'em run wild. Because no matter what punishment we mete out, it's all still eye-for-an-eye, is it not? Oh yeah, that'll work...

Retard... :roll:

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
MacBaine: DIE ****** DIE!!!

me: yes i believe he deserves to die, sure he changed, but what once was was and will always be known. he might be tired of getting gang raped, but once out who knows wtf he will do, he has a bad history and he might do it again.

I don't think anyone in prison would mess with Tookie. Have you seen his arms?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Not real familiar with the case, but if he committed the murder(s) that he was convicted of then yes. IMO it doesn't matter how much time has past or how many good things you've done since, if you kill someone you should pay the price

I had to respond to this...do you extend this to corporations?

When does the individual not surpass a major profit?

Personally, I made huge mistakes in judgement. I am now helping people a lot more than those that didn't do anything wrong.

For the most part those that judge someone are the real dregs of society.

I really doubt any of the most wealthy of the world got there without killing several people here and there.

I majorly dislike gangs....like unions and lobbies...

 

[theslickvik]

dead

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Zap Brannigan

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Zap Brannigan
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

-Gandalf

And yet Gandalf himself took quite a bit of life. I think you missed the point of that quote. I would not say that 25 years of appeals was "eager," or that Tookie was going to be the instrument to destroy the One Ring.

Fixed your typo too.

Gandalf fought in self defense. He was'nt all reigning down death sentences left and right to anyone. It's not his fault orcs kept rushinhg to impaling themselves on his sword. lol

Golem was a murderer too and alive longer than 25 years after his crimes too. Golem even tried to kill Gandalfs good friend Bilbo and niether Bilbo nor Gandalf sentenced Golem to death by hanging or what not.

Face it, the death penalty is not only cruel and unusual, it's ****** retarded. All in favor of eye for an eye are blind in more than one way.

Why are you using a work of fiction to justify your point of view?

Gandalf can just bring Tookie back to life in Middle Earth can't he? and give him a ride on his horse right?

Then they can all smoke weed and eat second breakfasts, after Gollum shows them the road to Mordor. Then Dorothy can drop a house on Tookie, and Toto can chew on Tookie's ankle.

 

[Powermoloch]

good riddance that he died.

 

[Leper Messiah]

why the fvck are you guys still arguing about this. HES FUCKING DEAD!

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
why the fvck are you guys still arguing about this. HES ****** DEAD!

Gandalf can bring him back:evil:

 

[Leper Messiah]

oh god. I just read some of that...now my head hurts.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
This has nothing to do with the circumstances of Mr. Williams.. but in my opinion.. if you take a life, you should have yours taken as well..

So what if it were accidental like the one where someone was playing with a gun and it went off. Should they be killed as well?

What on earth does this have to do with the discussion at hand? Williams didn't "accidentally" kill 4 people. :roll:

The was a murderer. He's dead now.

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[Cooler]

He is dead Jim.

We could clone him.