meltdown75
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2004
- 37,548
- 7
- 81
GuitarDaddy
Lifer
- Nov 9, 2004
- 11,465
- 1
- 0
meltdown75
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2004
- 37,548
- 7
- 81
This is only because of the way our appeal process works. Appeals of the death sentence in many ways is automatic. There are years and years of automatic appeals in any death sentence, no matter what the crime, or history of the defendant. There have also been cases where the convict has asked for his sentence NOT to be appealed, but it is automatic. Changing the way the system works would cut out much of the expense of keeping someone on death row for decades.
His writing of childrens books is not grounds for keeping him alive. There is no hard evidence of anyone not joining a gang because of his 'work' while he is in prison. IIRC, there was ONE gang truce due to his work, that lasted for all of two weeks. His being alive in no way boons society. His founding of the gang to begin with has certainly led to scores of deaths and violence over the years, whether directly by his hand to due to his influence.
I think if we are going to use a scale on what his 'good works' reaped and what his 'bad works' reaped, it will swing far to the latter and unoticable on the former.
just my $0.02
I agree. I don't believe in capitol punishment, but speaking strictly from a crime and punishment point of view, the guy shouldn't get out of the punishment just because the state took forever to carry out his sentence.
What kind of clemency did his victims get??? I'll tell you, NONE!!!! He murdered them in cold blood and deprived them and their families of many memories. Face it, people make decisions every day, some good, some bad. The death penalty has always been an option and this was well known prior to him committing the crime. In Tookies case, he made a bad one and must now pay the ultimate price, just like his victims did.
Why?
(you need to answer that question before you can begin to realize why your logic is wrong)
No, it is not flawed logic.
I think the error is thinking that forgiveness and pardon of punishment go hand in hand or are one in the same. If they are viewed as they should be... totally separately... it is very clear.
for example... there are loads of criminals that serve their time with or without the forgiveness of the victim. they are not intertwined. And parents all the time ground their children and even though they forgive them, they still cannot go out for the weekend.
forgiveness and pardon are not one and the same. While they can go hand in hand, it is not a given that they are one and the same.
side note: he has been DENIED.
shilala
Lifer
- Oct 5, 2004
- 11,437
- 1
- 76
I had a change of heart about this Tookie thing.
Overall, I'd like to see his ass fried. It'd be cool.
On the other hand, how the hell is another senseless deaths upposed to make right the four senseless deaths he's responsible for?
Seems that it just keeps the cycle of shyt going in the same direction, and it hangs a bid sign that says "IT'S OKAY TO KILL PEOPLE" on the whole thing.
You can say this is revenge, he deserves it, and a lot of other things, but it's the same old shyt.
The reasons are just splitting hairs. The Took thought gangbangin' some innocent bystanders was good reason. Now the court thinks it's good reason to kill.
"Hell, Took did it, why shouldn't we?"
Want Justice?
Let the families have him. Help them select a nice aluminum ball bat with a nice timbre. If they want him dead, let them do it.
It may just change the outlook if they are the ones that have to do the dirty work.
That would be justice.
Overall, I'd like to see his ass fried. It'd be cool.
On the other hand, how the hell is another senseless deaths upposed to make right the four senseless deaths he's responsible for?
Seems that it just keeps the cycle of shyt going in the same direction, and it hangs a bid sign that says "IT'S OKAY TO KILL PEOPLE" on the whole thing.
You can say this is revenge, he deserves it, and a lot of other things, but it's the same old shyt.
The reasons are just splitting hairs. The Took thought gangbangin' some innocent bystanders was good reason. Now the court thinks it's good reason to kill.
"Hell, Took did it, why shouldn't we?"
Want Justice?
Let the families have him. Help them select a nice aluminum ball bat with a nice timbre. If they want him dead, let them do it.
It may just change the outlook if they are the ones that have to do the dirty work.
That would be justice.
meltdown75
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2004
- 37,548
- 7
- 81
sounds like old-school Roman-style "feeding him to the Lions"-type justice. Sadly, I'm sure it would get fantastic ratings!
spacejamz
Lifer
- Mar 31, 2003
- 10,973
- 1,688
- 126
I said pretty much the same thing that Karen Marie is saying (about the appeals is where most of the cost of keeping a deathrow inmate alive)...
this is what I said:
most of that money you speak of is legal fees for all of the appeals death row inmates get to make (which is a crock of sh!t IMO- they should get a finite number of appeals and a deadline set in stone (two years or three years just throwing that out there) and then be done with it...)
Haven't read through the thread...but as soon as he brings his victims back to life he deserves clemency. And not a moment sooner, regardless of what he has done since then.
While the board is alight with sympathy and forgiveness for this violent, repeat offender....this cold blooded murderer... I would like to take the spotlight, for one second, and swing it to the families and loved ones of:
Albert Owens
Tsai-Shai Yang
Ye-Chen Lin
and the rest of victims of this gang founder.
johnandeknnyshow.com has an archive dated december 1st, 2005 that links to the pics of what this nobel nominee did to these INNOCENT ppl.
.... ok, back to tookie... (just wanted to focus on the families for a second)
Albert Owens
Tsai-Shai Yang
Ye-Chen Lin
and the rest of victims of this gang founder.
johnandeknnyshow.com has an archive dated december 1st, 2005 that links to the pics of what this nobel nominee did to these INNOCENT ppl.
.... ok, back to tookie... (just wanted to focus on the families for a second)
worst link...ever
johnandeknnyshow.com doesnt work
johnandkennyshow.com doesnt work
ah finally found it
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/archives/2005/12/01/
shilala
Lifer
- Oct 5, 2004
- 11,437
- 1
- 76
It's more like eye for an eye, but take it to the people who were offended.
The families are the ones who need justice.
Let them take it.
I know sure as shyt that had Tookie taken my family, and I had opportunity, I'd want him to see my face right before he checked out.
I'd also appreciate the opportunity to find out just exactly what kind of person I was in an "Am I Merciful" situation like that.
Thinking aboot it, I don't know if I'd lay the smack down or let him rot in prison.
If I crush his skull, it makes me much like him.
I don't know if I want to live the rest of my days knowing I'm that I'm a piece of shyt, too.
I don't think I'm qualified to be the supreme judge of this guy's existance.
It'd be a hell of a place to be, and I really wonder what I'd do, especially 24 years after the fact.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 23K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter